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knicks1248
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1/10/2022  8:58 AM
I wanted Mills to move heaven and earth on draft night to grab this guy..like RJ + 3 future 1st rounders (obi, grimes)

Not only would we have a franchise player, it would have solved our PG issues for the next 10 yrs.

My question is do you think RJ has the potential to be a 21/7/4 player in this system under this coach.

With Randle being our primarily ball handler in this slow system, i just don't see it happening. They will have some good games together against certain teams, but not on a consistent bases.

If Fox and Haliburton are available, I'm willing to sacrifice Rj for one of them, I think FOX will be an All star before RJ, and he's probably the only PG that can take the ball out of Randle's hand for the most part.

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1/10/2022  9:35 AM
Ja has some amazing highlights the last few days and no doubt gullible impressionable revisionist hindsight think they know better fan ask a leading question to debate what you want to say any way.
Your under the impression Memphis would eventually have to cave with an “offer can’t refuse” but your looking at this 2.5 years after the fact, and that Memphis was interested in a reasonable offer.
You don’t post this stuff when Ja is injured do you?

Your actually not unreasonable to insist Randle not be the primary ball handler and agree we should have drafted Haliburton. But I can’t speak for Knicks as to why or what they think OBI’s top end could be. Obi’s long range shooting has taken a drop since college. It does not translate. Fox’s career 3pt shooting is low 30% range. He is two year more experienced than RJ and has a max deal. Fox stats are not get. Im not sure you do that deal.

Maybe I go with Haliburton and Bagley for Obi, IQ, mitch and a protected first rounder like the Charlotte pick. I let KEnny Payne decide on Bagley. Im thinking he can play some C and PF for us.

As for Fox? I’m not sold on his performance to date but what he can become. If there is an upside that a steady Thibs/Byrant influence can have on him then the chaos that has been at Sac then Im open.

Im not giving up on 21 year old RJ.
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1/10/2022  10:50 AM
Nalod wrote:Im not giving up on 21 year old RJ.

+1 all day, every dayumed day Bing Bong Boom!

Not to drag up another thread, but this is not Frankie we're talking about. Kid can shoot, unless an entire season was a fluke, and we've watched him take Myles Turner to the rack like a two dollar G-leaguer! Now we're seeing a glimpse of clutch. He's got that Grant Hill smooth. RJ's D has to improve, but that's certainly doable.

RJ should be able to thrive with his skill set no matter who the damned ball handler is.
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1/10/2022  11:01 AM
I don't understand what is so hard about the idea of developing your own. Fans just want instant gratification. To me, it's always the journey that I enjoy. I am so happy to watch RJ and this young team develop and kick everyone's arse in a couple of years.
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1/10/2022  11:07 AM
jrodmc wrote:
Nalod wrote:Im not giving up on 21 year old RJ.

+1 all day, every dayumed day Bing Bong Boom!

Not to drag up another thread, but this is not Frankie we're talking about. Kid can shoot, unless an entire season was a fluke, and we've watched him take Myles Turner to the rack like a two dollar G-leaguer! Now we're seeing a glimpse of clutch. He's got that Grant Hill smooth. RJ's D has to improve, but that's certainly doable.

RJ should be able to thrive with his skill set no matter who the damned ball handler is.

Bing Bong Boom sounds sooo much better than just Bing Bong

You gotta trademark man!

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1/10/2022  11:20 AM
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jrodmc wrote:
Nalod wrote:Im not giving up on 21 year old RJ.

+1 all day, every dayumed day Bing Bong Boom!

Not to drag up another thread, but this is not Frankie we're talking about. Kid can shoot, unless an entire season was a fluke, and we've watched him take Myles Turner to the rack like a two dollar G-leaguer! Now we're seeing a glimpse of clutch. He's got that Grant Hill smooth. RJ's D has to improve, but that's certainly doable.

RJ should be able to thrive with his skill set no matter who the damned ball handler is.

Bing Bong Boom sounds sooo much better than just Bing Bong

You gotta trademark man!

Just curious how much you are paying RFA RJ next summer, or if you are extending him this summer
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1/10/2022  11:25 AM
jrodmc wrote:
Nalod wrote:Im not giving up on 21 year old RJ.

+1 all day, every dayumed day Bing Bong Boom!

Not to drag up another thread, but this is not Frankie we're talking about. Kid can shoot, unless an entire season was a fluke, and we've watched him take Myles Turner to the rack like a two dollar G-leaguer! Now we're seeing a glimpse of clutch. He's got that Grant Hill smooth. RJ's D has to improve, but that's certainly doable.

RJ should be able to thrive with his skill set no matter who the damned ball handler is.

That's the difference between a fringe player and all stars

Every player in the league shows glimpses, but only 25% of them do it consistently.

RJ is a TOP 5 pick that should be much better than he is at this point, how long have we been trying to establish a solid long term PG.

Trust me, a wing is much easier to replace than it is a PG

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1/10/2022  11:27 AM
NYKBocker wrote:I don't understand what is so hard about the idea of developing your own. Fans just want instant gratification. To me, it's always the journey that I enjoy. I am so happy to watch RJ and this young team develop and kick everyone's arse in a couple of years.

If they are getting better every yr, the roller coaster development is what gets guys traded

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1/10/2022  11:44 AM
jrodmc wrote:
Nalod wrote:Im not giving up on 21 year old RJ.

+1 all day, every dayumed day Bing Bong Boom!

Not to drag up another thread, but this is not Frankie we're talking about. Kid can shoot, unless an entire season was a fluke, and we've watched him take Myles Turner to the rack like a two dollar G-leaguer! Now we're seeing a glimpse of clutch. He's got that Grant Hill smooth. RJ's D has to improve, but that's certainly doable.

RJ should be able to thrive with his skill set no matter who the damned ball handler is.

Disagree. Think Knicks1248 makes a good point. Meaning, there has to me a time machine somewhere. If we get it, we go back in time, offer some picks and "Bing Bong Boom!". If it's not possible, why all the movies talking bout time travel? Answer me that JRod?

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1/10/2022  11:55 AM
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jrodmc wrote:
Nalod wrote:Im not giving up on 21 year old RJ.

+1 all day, every dayumed day Bing Bong Boom!

Not to drag up another thread, but this is not Frankie we're talking about. Kid can shoot, unless an entire season was a fluke, and we've watched him take Myles Turner to the rack like a two dollar G-leaguer! Now we're seeing a glimpse of clutch. He's got that Grant Hill smooth. RJ's D has to improve, but that's certainly doable.

RJ should be able to thrive with his skill set no matter who the damned ball handler is.

Disagree. Think Knicks1248 makes a good point. Meaning, there has to me a time machine somewhere. If we get it, we go back in time, offer some picks and "Bing Bong Boom!". If it's not possible, why all the movies talking bout time travel? Answer me that JRod?


Ok, Ok...I hear you. But what if Perry is actually the older version of Ja, and he already went back in time to ensure his past self stayed the course of success and he did everything in his power to ensure Ja stayed in Memphis? Also, he's the one who told Kevin Knox to get a Fortnite jacket for draft night because he thought that it was funny as hell?
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1/10/2022  12:01 PM
Will he even level up to Ja? Sadly the answer is no. He is way too flawed and inconsistent for that. He is not a bust but he won't be anywhere near Ja.
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1/10/2022  12:12 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
Nalod wrote:Im not giving up on 21 year old RJ.

+1 all day, every dayumed day Bing Bong Boom!

Not to drag up another thread, but this is not Frankie we're talking about. Kid can shoot, unless an entire season was a fluke, and we've watched him take Myles Turner to the rack like a two dollar G-leaguer! Now we're seeing a glimpse of clutch. He's got that Grant Hill smooth. RJ's D has to improve, but that's certainly doable.

RJ should be able to thrive with his skill set no matter who the damned ball handler is.

Disagree. Think Knicks1248 makes a good point. Meaning, there has to me a time machine somewhere. If we get it, we go back in time, offer some picks and "Bing Bong Boom!". If it's not possible, why all the movies talking bout time travel? Answer me that JRod?


Ok, Ok...I hear you. But what if Perry is actually the older version of Ja, and he already went back in time to ensure his past self stayed the course of success and he did everything in his power to ensure Ja stayed in Memphis? Also, he's the one who told Kevin Knox to get a Fortnite jacket for draft night because he thought that it was funny as hell?

Good points. Think Knicks1248 has the answers. As for Fortnite jacket. Believe that has been erased from everyone's memory with the neuralyzer.

Btw, no joke, I wanted D. Mitchell over Frank. Used said time machine to see the future. (My goal from now on is to involve Frank in every thread and to start a thread daily about how other former Knicks are doing)

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1/10/2022  12:20 PM
While an RJ fan I think his ceiling is Jimmy Butler - an All-Star that can at times rise to that higher level - but most often becomes a very solid/above average NBA starter that does a little of everything well (but nothing exceptional). I think if Ja stays healthy he will always be a level above (until he hits the 30s).

As for Fox - I really think since we seem committed to building around Randle - Haliburton is the guy. I love Fox and think he's terrific in the open floor - but with spacing and need for outside shooting - Fox seems too inconsistent to fit in with a Randle focused offense.
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1/10/2022  12:25 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/10/2022  12:47 PM
Clean wrote:Will he even level up to Ja? Sadly the answer is no. He is way too flawed and inconsistent for that. He is not a bust but he won't be anywhere near Ja.

One thing about Ja is that a lot of his play is predicated on athletic ability. Which he has a lot of. However, high flying athletes are also prone to more injuries. I also feel RJs strength is taken for granted. He is only 21 and already has NBA strength. He will be solid on both sides because if it. Think he will only get stronger and tougher to deal with. If he continues to improve his outside shot feel he definitely has a chance to be better.

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1/10/2022  12:42 PM
HofstraBBall wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
Nalod wrote:Im not giving up on 21 year old RJ.

+1 all day, every dayumed day Bing Bong Boom!

Not to drag up another thread, but this is not Frankie we're talking about. Kid can shoot, unless an entire season was a fluke, and we've watched him take Myles Turner to the rack like a two dollar G-leaguer! Now we're seeing a glimpse of clutch. He's got that Grant Hill smooth. RJ's D has to improve, but that's certainly doable.

RJ should be able to thrive with his skill set no matter who the damned ball handler is.

Disagree. Think Knicks1248 makes a good point. Meaning, there has to me a time machine somewhere. If we get it, we go back in time, offer some picks and "Bing Bong Boom!". If it's not possible, why all the movies talking bout time travel? Answer me that JRod?

Listen Hofstra, I refuse to be in a reality with time travel that could possibly have us staring at two versions of Frankie's busted azz.

Anyway, if we did go back in time, it would be to infuse Mrs Williamson with some sort of nano-anorexia-lite that would result in Zion naturally weighing less no matter what greasy NY foods he consumed, getting enforcers to force HiYoSilver to use a frozen envelope again to get us Zion, Ja would drop to us with a second round pick, and then we're not even having this conversation about RJ.
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1/10/2022  12:44 PM
martin wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
Nalod wrote:Im not giving up on 21 year old RJ.

+1 all day, every dayumed day Bing Bong Boom!

Not to drag up another thread, but this is not Frankie we're talking about. Kid can shoot, unless an entire season was a fluke, and we've watched him take Myles Turner to the rack like a two dollar G-leaguer! Now we're seeing a glimpse of clutch. He's got that Grant Hill smooth. RJ's D has to improve, but that's certainly doable.

RJ should be able to thrive with his skill set no matter who the damned ball handler is.

Bing Bong Boom sounds sooo much better than just Bing Bong

You gotta trademark man!

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1/10/2022  1:00 PM
jrodmc wrote:
Nalod wrote:Im not giving up on 21 year old RJ.

+1 all day, every dayumed day Bing Bong Boom!

Not to drag up another thread, but this is not Frankie we're talking about. Kid can shoot, unless an entire season was a fluke, and we've watched him take Myles Turner to the rack like a two dollar G-leaguer! Now we're seeing a glimpse of clutch. He's got that Grant Hill smooth. RJ's D has to improve, but that's certainly doable.

RJ should be able to thrive with his skill set no matter who the damned ball handler is.

Is this the same guy who got rejected 5 x in the first half and 7 overall against the Celtics the other night? He’s a good player but he’s not physically capable of great

RIP Crushalot😞
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1/10/2022  1:03 PM
By the way Knicks1248 u could’ve wanted mills to give 70 draft picks to move up

It don’t work like that. Once a team lives a guy at the top. It’s their guy. Draft pick is unrealized unknown assets

RIP Crushalot😞
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1/10/2022  1:15 PM
HofstraBBall wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
Nalod wrote:Im not giving up on 21 year old RJ.

+1 all day, every dayumed day Bing Bong Boom!

Not to drag up another thread, but this is not Frankie we're talking about. Kid can shoot, unless an entire season was a fluke, and we've watched him take Myles Turner to the rack like a two dollar G-leaguer! Now we're seeing a glimpse of clutch. He's got that Grant Hill smooth. RJ's D has to improve, but that's certainly doable.

RJ should be able to thrive with his skill set no matter who the damned ball handler is.

Disagree. Think Knicks1248 makes a good point. Meaning, there has to me a time machine somewhere. If we get it, we go back in time, offer some picks and "Bing Bong Boom!". If it's not possible, why all the movies talking bout time travel? Answer me that JRod?


Ok, Ok...I hear you. But what if Perry is actually the older version of Ja, and he already went back in time to ensure his past self stayed the course of success and he did everything in his power to ensure Ja stayed in Memphis? Also, he's the one who told Kevin Knox to get a Fortnite jacket for draft night because he thought that it was funny as hell?

Good points. Think Knicks1248 has the answers. As for Fortnite jacket. Believe that has been erased from everyone's memory with the neuralyzer.

Btw, no joke, I wanted D. Mitchell over Frank. Used said time machine to see the future. (My goal from now on is to involve Frank in every thread and to start a thread daily about how other former Knicks are doing)


I believe Malik Rose just became the new G-League commissioner. Probably deserves it's own thread.
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1/10/2022  1:40 PM
Maybe the time machine was rigged. Zion is a bust, and in 5 years is it plausible RJ has a better career than Ja?
Yes.
OP see some sick highlight dunks and like a child sitting on saturday morning watching cartoon. He want that new Hot Wheels set. He see dunk, he want Ja.
Same a few weeks when OBI was doing the highlight film thing. We see in extended minutes OBI is not Amare.
Ja reminds me of a young Derrick Rose. Great athlete. Young Westbrook, great athlete. Russ came back great from ACL, Derrick not so great.
The regret thing? Hmmmm, lets see it play out.

“Trust me” asks 1248. Not a chance. I get finding a savior PG is not easy to find but the time machine thing don’t play with this crowd.
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