I like Burks so hope he proves me wrong. If that is the olan. Also, curious to see where IQ was in the talk for a new starting PG?

As for expectations, as we’ve written many times before, I’m pretty sure Rose is targeting some bigger trade. But who that will be depends a lot on the availability of these players. I would not really say that we will primarily look for PG. I would rather say that target is an athletic wing or maybe even a center.

Vmart wrote:Ben Simmons is your answer. You get this Simmons and everything gets better for everyone in the team. You will have to give up some players for him. Maybe Fournier, Obi Quickly and some draft picks. In my opinion it would be worth it. He brings that necessary pass first mentality that makes teams better and his defense is really good. He is a decent offensive player and a change of scenery can benefit him. I say get this guy at all cost with the exception of RJ and Randle.

Simons is not even an option when you already have a 6 10" Point forward, Unless you want a Randle and Simons back court with no shooters

Judging from the already proposed deals for Simons other teams have made, we will have no one left after a trade for Simmons.

If we make any significant trade for an above avg PG, I can't imagine any team not wanting RJ in the deal

The other possibility is Jalen Brunson over the summer. He’s a Thibs and Leon Rose favorite due to prior relationships. But not sure if he moves the needle.

knicks1248 wrote:

Vmart wrote:Ben Simmons is your answer. You get this Simmons and everything gets better for everyone in the team. You will have to give up some players for him. Maybe Fournier, Obi Quickly and some draft picks. In my opinion it would be worth it. He brings that necessary pass first mentality that makes teams better and his defense is really good. He is a decent offensive player and a change of scenery can benefit him. I say get this guy at all cost with the exception of RJ and Randle.

Simons is not even an option when you already have a 6 10" Point forward, Unless you want a Randle and Simons back court with no shooters

Judging from the already proposed deals for Simons other teams have made, we will have no one left after a trade for Simmons.

If we make any significant trade for an above avg PG, I can't imagine any team not wanting RJ in the deal

What offers? Non are made public. Consider a thee way trade? I guess not. You talk like you in the loop.
We don't even know what knicks would want. A band aid, or a long term fix. That matters because price matters.
Randle is not the PG. He brings the ball up when he gets a rebound. So does RJ. So does the other 2 guards.
Simmons is an interesting idea but the you have to consider what Philly wants and there is not a natural trade based on morey statements that he wants a significant starting piece back.
Lets not forget they have Tobias Harris on a big contract. At 6-8 he is a SF/PF hybrid.
If one want to project on Philly, look at the roster, the money, then consider how they view themselves. I believe they are a in win now mode.
Also, most teams can't do 3-1 playertrades given roster commitments. I don't know what PHilly has in guarantee's and 2-ways.

At the end of the day what is Brock Aller and Mills thinking with Thibs? Is there a move that puts us in contention? Really? At what price do we want to pay to move up and how far can we go with the likes of our roster and what is left after a trade? I do that EF, Obi, IQ and two picks. For Simmons if Johnny Bryant is excited to get him. EF is the only starter for PHilly. Thats not the trade they need is it? EF does not put them back in contention. They need shooting? THey have Seth Curry, they don't need another back up in IQ. OBI? He don't start and they have Harris.

Seems there is a fit with SAC under the premise that we view Bagley not as a piece of **** but one that can be rehabbed under the Kenny Payne goodness. SAC has surplus in guards but could they use OBI as a future conrnerstone?
Fox is underperforming. He is a cornerstone of the community in SAC but they are not going anywhere with him. Core trade of Fox and Bagley for Obi and IQ. Im leaving a big part out which is the money. It won't work. He makes 28mm. I can always throw in a pick to balance it out. Im that kind of fan. Make it easy.
Whoa. Before we go any further do we even want him at that price? I don't imagine we trade Randle. Not saying its illogical but 20 games in and he did help reset the culture is.
Im not impressed with Haliburton. The money is easier. The rookie Mitchell? This is a Thibs kind of dog for Knicks but I do McBride and no IQ. Time line works better for SAC also.
No obi lessons our second line but OBI can't stay there for ever. He will need to spread his wings and fly. He is a trade asset with Rising value. Maybe too soon to trade him?

Maybe we just keep treading water and stay on the plan. If Kemba is toast, what is plan B? Burks is a band aid. Plan B is likely not sexy. Like what happens when PHX waives Elf? LOL!!!

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:I was high on Kemba because we badly needed a PG that could finally shoot. Kemba can shoot but seems like the rest of his skill set just fell off a cliff. It’s too bad. He was such an ideal stopgap. Burks is Thibs choice simply because he fits the profile Thibs wants right now to get the defense back on track at the point of attack. I still have faith Quickley can be the long-term solution. He seems to fit with his defense and activity level for Thibs. But Thibs clearly loves the Rose/IQ bench backcourt now and probably doesn’t want to make that move before he’s positive IQ is ready. That may be a move announced going into training camp next year. We will see.

The other possibility is Jalen Brunson over the summer. He’s a Thibs and Leon Rose favorite due to prior relationships. But not sure if he moves the needle.

Knicks strangely have at least a decent pipeline of possibilities, just need to let them pan out. McBride, IQ, and Rokas Jokubaitis playing over in Barcelona. With Rose seeming sturdy enough for another year.

Mostly, the young PGs are just developing and marinating.

Yes they do have some great options down the road.

Let Brooklyn sign him. Him and Kyrie can sit on the bench and trade stories.

Uptown wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Can't believe we are back to needing a starting PG after having the most cap space in the entire NBA. Did the Knicks FO do their homework on KEMBA, was this a Perry, Leon, or WWW move?

If you knew Randle was still going to be the primary ball handler/Point fwd, why would you invest in a point guard who is a poor defender, bad knees, and can't play off the ball

We just benched this dude for a SF who is just a decent ball handler but nowhere near a team organizer or a great passer, this FO was pretty GIDDY after signing Kemba..

I don't know what kind of PG they need if Randle is going to continue to run the point either way? Seems as though most PG's are really combo guards that need the ball

If we go after the likes of Fox, Lillard, Haliburton caliber of talent, thats going to cost you IQ, RJ, Obi, Mitch or 3 out of the 4

Back? We've been looking for a pg for over a decade if not longer...

Vmart wrote:Ben Simmons is your answer. You get this Simmons and everything gets better for everyone in the team. You will have to give up some players for him. Maybe Fournier, Obi Quickly and some draft picks. In my opinion it would be worth it. He brings that necessary pass first mentality that makes teams better and his defense is really good. He is a decent offensive player and a change of scenery can benefit him. I say get this guy at all cost with the exception of RJ and Randle.

1. Simmons is a headcase

2. Simmons can’t shoot from outside, once he loses his athleticism it’s over for him

3. 76ers aren’t trading him to a neighboring market within the East unless we desperately overpay

Philc1 wrote:

Vmart wrote:Ben Simmons is your answer. You get this Simmons and everything gets better for everyone in the team. You will have to give up some players for him. Maybe Fournier, Obi Quickly and some draft picks. In my opinion it would be worth it. He brings that necessary pass first mentality that makes teams better and his defense is really good. He is a decent offensive player and a change of scenery can benefit him. I say get this guy at all cost with the exception of RJ and Randle.

1. Simmons is a headcase

2. Simmons can’t shoot from outside, once he loses his athleticism it’s over for him

3. 76ers aren’t trading him to a neighboring market within the East unless we desperately overpay

Would agree with all of this. The way Sixers are playing you would think they would be trying to mend things. Think it's more on Simmons side that he does want to play with them and Sixers hoping he changes his mind. Would think they need to move one sooner rather than later. But agree with you, it won't be a trade to the East. Maybe John Wall gets traded for him? Unless Knicks get him first.