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fishmike
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11/10/2004  10:24 AM
He, Penny and Ariza at the 3 and it gives you a big expiring contract to use in Jan/Feb where they rule the market.
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11/10/2004  10:40 AM
grrr, that's a tough one.

Not sure Philly would want their lost brother back.
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11/10/2004  10:41 AM
Posted by fishmike:

He, Penny and Ariza at the 3 and it gives you a big expiring contract to use in Jan/Feb where they rule the market.
I'd rather pull off a 3 way deal in Jan/Feb where TT goes to Philly, Glenn's expiring contract goes to a team with a bad contract, and we take back a bad contract and a solid C.
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11/10/2004  10:45 AM
Hrm...

And somehow we get Dalembert in the deal? :) I like that idea.

TT for Glenn Robinson (is he healthy) would work--- Big Dog can score in the post, is a good passer (when he wants to), and can shoot with the best of them.
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11/10/2004  10:52 AM
Phili is close to buying out Glenn. The question is how much appeal TT has to them. They dont have a lot of ball handlers on that team. They have a bunch of shooters and blue collar types. This is a risky deal for us I would think because TT is a good player and despite a slow start will be a very good player in this system.

If you cant move Glenn the worst case is you trim payroll if you cant use him in a trade.
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11/10/2004  10:52 AM
any trade we make giving up tim, kurt, or nazr, or anybody, it is imperative that we get a draft pick in return.

you want to trade tim for big dog, then do it but make it big dog and a #1.

so i think we all have accepted the fact that tim will no longer be a knick past next season so i guess you guys want to speed up the process. that's fine with me, especially with ariza in the fold.
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11/10/2004  12:53 PM
Posted by fishmike:

Phili is close to buying out Glenn. The question is how much appeal TT has to them. They dont have a lot of ball handlers on that team. They have a bunch of shooters and blue collar types. This is a risky deal for us I would think because TT is a good player and despite a slow start will be a very good player in this system.

If you cant move Glenn the worst case is you trim payroll if you cant use him in a trade.
Why buyout an expiring contract that should have huge trade value? I guess they'd rather save a little money immediately than improve the team by using the expiring contract in trades.
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11/10/2004  12:56 PM
I think it's because Glenn is a drag on the team and is horrible for team chemistry. It says a lot when a team is doing anything to get rid of you. They not only think you are not helping them, but they also feel you are more of a detriment to the team.
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11/10/2004  1:10 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

I think it's because Glenn is a drag on the team and is horrible for team chemistry. It says a lot when a team is doing anything to get rid of you. They not only think you are not helping them, but they also feel you are more of a detriment to the team.
They should trade him then. They can get a decent return for him, whether they want a good player now, a young player with upside, or a good 1st rd pick. They can definitely get something valuable for his expiring contract AND achieve the goal of getting rid of him instead of just getting rid of him and getting nothing in return by buying him out.
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11/10/2004  1:15 PM
Why buyout an expiring contract that should have huge trade value? I guess they'd rather save a little money immediately than improve the team by using the expiring contract in trades.
because Phili isnt the Knicks... they cant afford to just add more long term salary starting at Glenn's $15mm a year. I'm not sure we can either to be honest, my god we are over $100mm already, there has to be a cap somewhere.

The thing for the Knicks is Glenn's $15mm comes off the books this season. The Knicks decline Ariza's option and resign him to something like 4 years and $20mm. That saves the Knicks $10mm next year right off the bat.
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11/10/2004  1:24 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Why buyout an expiring contract that should have huge trade value? I guess they'd rather save a little money immediately than improve the team by using the expiring contract in trades.
because Phili isnt the Knicks... they cant afford to just add more long term salary starting at Glenn's $15mm a year. I'm not sure we can either to be honest, my god we are over $100mm already, there has to be a cap somewhere.

The thing for the Knicks is Glenn's $15mm comes off the books this season. The Knicks decline Ariza's option and resign him to something like 4 years and $20mm. That saves the Knicks $10mm next year right off the bat.
I'm not talking about Philly adding huge long-term pay, but they can probably trade him for a player with a smaller expiring contract plus a player with 2 years left and a first rd pick. Something like that might cost them $5 to $8 mil to get a 1st rounder. Maybe they can't afford that, though
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11/10/2004  2:17 PM
speaking of trading TT, i couldnt help but notice that calvin booth has racked up 3 DNP and only got 2 minutes in the fourth mavs game.

booth isnt the allstar centre we want but he is an upgrade over nazr, and if we do get a top notch centre booth makes a great backup.

i also noticed dallas has alot of 6'6" sf's, maybe they could use a 6'10" sf

so................

TT to dallas for booth and (the only 2 players that work are) either stackor maybe zeke could swing henderson off of them.

like someone above mentioned penny, ariza and even jyd could handle the sf spot.

c-booth, nazr, baker
pf-thomas, sweets, henderson
sf-ariza, erob jyd
sg-crawford, penny, till houston comes back
pg-steph, crawford, brewer

more depth up front for us, no lost minutes for sweets, get rid of TT, hendersons 8.2 mill are off the book at the end of this year.

dallas
c-damp (god i'm glad we didnt get him), bradley
pf-dirk, (trade kind of leaves them short at this spot), maybe TT for short spells, or they even have damp listed at pf
sf-TT, daniels, stack
sg-finely, howard
pg-harris, terry

i dont think i would do the stack trade but the booth, anderon for TT i would do for sure.
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11/10/2004  2:53 PM
booth isnt the allstar centre we want but he is an upgrade over nazr
thats debatable. Booth can block shots but thats it. Nazr is a better all around player.
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11/10/2004  4:39 PM
Posted by fishmike:
booth isnt the allstar centre we want but he is an upgrade over nazr
thats debatable. Booth can block shots but thats it. Nazr is a better all around player.
I agree; I think Booth would drive us crazy. He's far more of a frustrating underachiever than Nazy.
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11/10/2004  5:17 PM
not too crazy about Booth either...we need someone like a Kelvin Cato.
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Posted by TMS:

not too crazy about Booth either...we need someone like a Kelvin Cato.

I'd do a TT for Kelvin.....But Orlando has Hill and Turk is his insurance....TT would be a third stringer.

I don't understand Timmy. It's the start of the season and he has Ariza on his back.....you would think that is enough motivation to play hungry.

Timmy played like shyte against Philly. It's not even about the scoring.....he doesn't defend, pass or rebound......he's wasting space.....


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11/10/2004  7:15 PM
According to 76ers general manager Billy King, Robinson could be waived before the weekend, as the team has yet to receive a decent trade offer for the veteran forward. Robinson lost his starting job to rookie Andre Iguodala and began the 2004-05 regular season on the injured list, due to ankle tendinitis. He is eligible to be activated as early as Thursday. Sixers GM Billy King said there should be a resolution to Robinson's status before the weekend, the Associated Press reports. He has ankle tendinitis and is dealing with family issues.

Robinson, who lost his starting job to Andre Iguodala, is eligible to come off the injured list Thursday. King said there have been no viable trade offers, and the 76ers are giving consideration to waiving Robinson. "There's all kinds of scenarios that could happen," King said.
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11/10/2004  7:31 PM
I remember how excited the fans were when they traded Van Horn for Glenn Robinson!
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11/10/2004  8:14 PM
big dog has been reduced to a puppy. we need a player that can go jugular. since we passed on ricky davis trade tt + first rounder for artest & pollard. i think its time we bring artest home....msg will never be the same
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11/10/2004  8:35 PM
with the way hes playin, im not sure would anyone even take TT and his 2 year contract if we gave it for free.

big dog got some skills, but he is a shooter, and a SF who likes to post up. Today the players have become so strong and athletic in all positions, making glen robisions skills have more negative than positives on both ends on the court. He was once a good player and I dont think anyone should take that away from him but he no longer will get another big contract. ALso, anyone else think he looks older than he really is?
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