fishmike wrote:that 0.6175 number is their eFG%

Kind of funny how we replace ELF with Kemba and in doing so stabilize Rose's role yet its 42 wins for us in Vegas and a lot of "other teams have improved as well"

So what did Vegas look at or consider? Its an obvious small sample and I love what your showing.
For conversational sake, what do you think Vegas applied reasoning beyond intangable "hate/love"?
Its logical to say "Kemba even if hobbled is better than Elf". Yet Elf was on the team two years prior and started the majority of games last year. Do we not appreciate what he bought even if statistically defocoemt?
His defense? Elf was bought in to be a back up and we failed until this year to improve the position.
My take on Elf was the team around him evolved "finally" and his decline was as much to do with his stagnation vs actual decline. AKA: "everyone around him looked better".
But.......that was at seasons end.

Back on task, why is Vegas not so excited?

fishmike wrote:

Nalod wrote:

fishmike wrote:that 0.6175 number is their eFG%

Kind of funny how we replace ELF with Kemba and in doing so stabilize Rose's role yet its 42 wins for us in Vegas and a lot of "other teams have improved as well"

So what did Vegas look at or consider? Its an obvious small sample and I love what your showing.
For conversational sake, what do you think Vegas applied reasoning beyond intangable "hate/love"?
Its logical to say "Kemba even if hobbled is better than Elf". Yet Elf was on the team two years prior and started the majority of games last year. Do we not appreciate what he bought even if statistically defocoemt?
His defense? Elf was bought in to be a back up and we failed until this year to improve the position.
My take on Elf was the team around him evolved "finally" and his decline was as much to do with his stagnation vs actual decline. AKA: "everyone around him looked better".
But.......that was at seasons end.

Back on task, why is Vegas not so excited?

Randle's pace not sustainable
Mitch/RJ/Quickly/Obi are what they are and not trending upward
Rose/Kemba/Mitch will miss at least 20 games each
They ended the season looking mediocre against the Hawks
No new talent aside from old guys/Fournier and Boston who does nothing wrong were not hot to resign him

fishmike wrote:

Nalod wrote:

fishmike wrote:that 0.6175 number is their eFG%

Kind of funny how we replace ELF with Kemba and in doing so stabilize Rose's role yet its 42 wins for us in Vegas and a lot of "other teams have improved as well"

So what did Vegas look at or consider? Its an obvious small sample and I love what your showing.
For conversational sake, what do you think Vegas applied reasoning beyond intangable "hate/love"?
Its logical to say "Kemba even if hobbled is better than Elf". Yet Elf was on the team two years prior and started the majority of games last year. Do we not appreciate what he bought even if statistically defocoemt?
His defense? Elf was bought in to be a back up and we failed until this year to improve the position.
My take on Elf was the team around him evolved "finally" and his decline was as much to do with his stagnation vs actual decline. AKA: "everyone around him looked better".
But.......that was at seasons end.

Back on task, why is Vegas not so excited?

Randle's pace not sustainable
Mitch/RJ/Quickly/Obi are what they are and not trending upward
Rose/Kemba/Mitch will miss at least 20 games each
They ended the season looking mediocre against the Hawks
No new talent aside from old guys/Fournier and Boston who does nothing wrong were not hot to resign him

Preseason when Vegas laid it on, so the "Mitch/RJ/Quickly/Obi are what they are and not trending upward" is debatable.
Personally if team is better Randle stats come down a bit. Vs. hawks did not bother me and Vegas not that concerned with over/under on regular season.
Fournier a late season signing and perhaps the "Ainge don't miss" (but he does) is a thing.

Did you post the 4 game sample as "Vegas is wrong" or you just happy at 3-1 and relishing the moment?

It’s been forever since had a pg who can shoot

jrodmc wrote:

Philc1 wrote:Really hope Kemba can stay healthy-ish

It’s been forever since had a pg who can shoot

Hopefully Thibs learns from last season's playoffs and is kneeling and praying over Kemba's and Rose's knees every night.

It's only 5 games, but getting Quick back on track somehow as a Rose-lite with the second unit would be a great help as well. He's already got Obi unleashed.

We've got so many possible weapons in the backcourt! I so happy! Not "60 wins or die" happy, but so happy!

Hey, if your not winning 60 games, then your losing 23 or more games! What fan actually plans on losing games? Thats such a loser mentality. What fans expects injuries and plans for it? Such a downer man!
What fan contemplates such things and formulates contingency plans to counter them?
Coaches and GM’s actually.

LEts use football. Even the best teams factor they won’t go undefeated. Its so rare. More so its not a lock to win a chip as Patriots learned. Its not that teams want for losses or injuries, but they happen and if you plan then you have back ups. Few QB’s can go a full season injury free. They miss games. So you pay a back up and practice.
NBA, good teams lose to ****ty teams. It happens. Good teams have key players miss games. It happens. Good teams get cold, it happens. Professonals don’t freak the **** out and panic. Fans do, but we are not pro’s.

Im not a pro, but I plan on Kemba missing games. Not because I hate him, but because I have read up on how coaches/GM’s approach things and I expecct given his history the knicks have this consideration under control. Thibs is such a thorough coach I have full faith in this. As a fan I get to sit back and just watch it unfold.

MY take is Kemba/Drose is a year to year thing and guys us time to develop yoot or build up to a trade. We’ll draft too. Frank showed promise but could not cut it. IQ gets time. There is a window, and he either sticks, gets traded, or let go. Reality is one in three. Thats life for a late 1st round pick. Long season still ahead and from what I saw over the summer he is being groomed to be a playmaker. No Guarantee that happens. McBride is breathng down his neck. we have all our picks still. IQ has yet to show a consistency that makes him a lock. Love the guy like the rest of you do, but there is a reality that cant be ignored.

No predictions. Just observations.

VDesai wrote:Alec Burks has played a significant amount of PG as well - and I think Thibs trusts him as a steadying presence.

Scoring/shooting is great. If i had to ask for something I would say fewer turnovers and lets use some penetration to get more easy finishes for Mitch/OBi.

The fact that we have 3 to 4 players on the court at all times that can handle the rock helps .

IQ
Burks
Rose
Fournier
kemba
Randle
Rj

SergioNYK wrote:Fingers crossed they can both stay healthy!

Same here.

Imo that was the beautiful thing about creating this 1-2 punch @ PG with both Kemba Walker and Derrick Rose.

These two (still super talented/skilled) veterans will help keep one another fresh for not only the entire season but quarter by quarter and game by game.

It's already becoming a dynamic duo.

Kemba Walker as a fulltime starter has made the All-Star team 4x 2017-2018-2019-2020 and Derrick Rose is back playing more confident and more under control than ever before; he's got Tom Thibs back and he's got his groove back.

Both of these two PGs are currently healthy and ready to go right now. And I believe that they're going to keep one another fresh throughout the entire season and into the playoffs.

Kemba Walker and Derrick Rose. Both still younger veterans. Both ring chasing together. Kemba Starting Rose closing. I love it man.

I'm loving it somuchso where I'm not even thinking about injury. I just have this feeling inside that this is the year that both Kemba and Rose take the PG league by storm.

Lakers might be in PG trouble with Westbrook playing hero turnover ball. Philadelphia might be in PG trouble with the Ben Simmons situation. Who knows about Brooklyn anf Kyrie Irving. Etc.

But NY is set. With a firepower PG duo.

Bring on Trae Young because this time it's Derrick Rose/Kemba Walker vs. him and him vs. them (and this time with Mitchell Robinson behind too).

Don't worry about injury. Enjoy this moment of Kemba/D.Rose together because they were born and mentally built to play with one another. Walker starting and Rose closing were all these two ever needed. Perfect match to keep eachother healthy and mentally rejuvenated. Perfect timing.

ramtour420 wrote:Rose is an early frontrunner for the 6th man of the year

I personally think its Tyler Herro and its not even close. He has looked the best this season. He is averaging 22pts 6.8reb and 4.4 ast a game off the bench. He now has that Luka magic where every tough shot he throws up goes in.

Knickoftime wrote:

Clean wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:Rose is an early frontrunner for the 6th man of the year

I personally think its Tyler Herro and its not even close. He has looked the best this season. He is averaging 22pts 6.8reb and 4.4 ast a game off the bench. He now has that Luka magic where every tough shot he throws up goes in.

Nobody is a frontrunner for anything after 5 games.

This seems to be the source of so much back and forth here.

Me? I can't even begin to understand how sports fans haven't absorbed the FACT that the first handful of games is usually not very predictive, it's probably even deceptive more than it is indicative.