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BRIGGS
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8/17/2021  6:56 PM
C-Robinson
F Randle
F Barrett
G Fourmier
G Walker
6th man Burcks SF
Toppin F
Noel C
Grimes SG
Rose PG

Mcbride
Quickley
Gibson
Knox

Sims

Im sure we will use depth a bit more so as to keep our guys healthy. If we push the 260 pound Randle again like that he will simply lose it by playoffs like he did last year. I have Grimes ahead of Quickley and Mcbride because of size and his 3 point shot looks much better than IQ. Im sure both smaller guys will get PT but Im not sure about day 1.

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8/17/2021  7:01 PM
BRIGGS wrote:C-Robinson
F Randle
F Barrett
G Fourmier
G Walker
6th man Burcks SF
Toppin F
Noel C
Grimes SG
Rose PG

Mcbride
Quickley
Gibson
Knox

Sims

Im sure we will use depth a bit more so as to keep our guys healthy. If we push the 260 pound Randle again like that he will simply lose it by playoffs like he did last year. I have Grimes ahead of Quickley and Mcbride because of size and his 3 point shot looks much better than IQ. Im sure both smaller guys will get PT but Im not sure about day 1.

Don’t let Quickleys poor shooting and Grimes hit streak fool you. Quickley is a lock for the rotation. Rose, IQ, Burks, Toppin and Noel is the bench squad. McBride, Grimes and Gibson find time when injuries occur or situationally. Those 13 are the ones that matter. The top 10 is a lock though.

BRIGGS
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8/17/2021  7:12 PM
Knixkik wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:C-Robinson
F Randle
F Barrett
G Fourmier
G Walker
6th man Burcks SF
Toppin F
Noel C
Grimes SG
Rose PG

Mcbride
Quickley
Gibson
Knox

Sims

Im sure we will use depth a bit more so as to keep our guys healthy. If we push the 260 pound Randle again like that he will simply lose it by playoffs like he did last year. I have Grimes ahead of Quickley and Mcbride because of size and his 3 point shot looks much better than IQ. Im sure both smaller guys will get PT but Im not sure about day 1.

Don’t let Quickleys poor shooting and Grimes hit streak fool you. Quickley is a lock for the rotation. Rose, IQ, Burks, Toppin and Noel is the bench squad. McBride, Grimes and Gibson find time when injuries occur or situationally. Those 13 are the ones that matter. The top 10 is a lock though.

Quickley is hot/cold. I’d prefer the extra size and Grimes has a three point shot( form) that resembles high end nba 3 point shooters. Quickley is 6-2 ish grimes 6-5 ish.

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Panos
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8/17/2021  11:30 PM
BRIGGS wrote:C-Robinson
F Randle
F Barrett
G Fourmier
G Walker
6th man Burcks SF
Toppin F
Noel C
Grimes SG
Rose PG

Mcbride
Quickley
Gibson
Knox

Sims

Im sure we will use depth a bit more so as to keep our guys healthy. If we push the 260 pound Randle again like that he will simply lose it by playoffs like he did last year. I have Grimes ahead of Quickley and Mcbride because of size and his 3 point shot looks much better than IQ. Im sure both smaller guys will get PT but Im not sure about day 1.

That's a mad deep squad.

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8/18/2021  12:33 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:C-Robinson
F Randle
F Barrett
G Fourmier
G Walker
6th man Burcks SF
Toppin F
Noel C
Grimes SG
Rose PG

Mcbride
Quickley
Gibson
Knox

Sims

Im sure we will use depth a bit more so as to keep our guys healthy. If we push the 260 pound Randle again like that he will simply lose it by playoffs like he did last year. I have Grimes ahead of Quickley and Mcbride because of size and his 3 point shot looks much better than IQ. Im sure both smaller guys will get PT but Im not sure about day 1.

Don’t let Quickleys poor shooting and Grimes hit streak fool you. Quickley is a lock for the rotation. Rose, IQ, Burks, Toppin and Noel is the bench squad. McBride, Grimes and Gibson find time when injuries occur or situationally. Those 13 are the ones that matter. The top 10 is a lock though.

Quickley is hot/cold. I’d prefer the extra size and Grimes has a three point shot( form) that resembles high end nba 3 point shooters. Quickley is 6-2 ish grimes 6-5 ish.

So is this thread our dream of a rotation or a realistic version. 🤔 Because there's no way in hell that Grimes will push IQ to the bench during the 1st half of the season. Grimes and Duece will get playing time when someone is injured, resting or having a very bad stretch of games. Tom is a players coach who's also old school. If anything, Grimes and duece will force IQ to step his game up. We either need a trade or injury to occur. But I guarantee Walker and Rose will not play all 82 games. And there will be more blowouts than last year, which is when we will see our rookies play. Grimes reminds me of an agile 2way version of Alan Houston. Will be fun to see him grow.

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8/18/2021  12:45 AM
Lol Grimes will not overtake Quickley to start the year despite size issues.

Only way I see Grimes and McBride getting mine if we have injuries or if we package a trade for a star player

CanItGetAnyWorse
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8/18/2021  8:23 AM
unstopaball12 wrote:Lol Grimes will not overtake Quickley to start the year despite size issues.

Only way I see Grimes and McBride getting mine if we have injuries or if we package a trade for a star player

Thibs is a no nonsense guy and all about winning. This annoyed many of us last year and will this year (regarding the young guys getting so few minutes and such tight rotations.)
So, it is not unreasonable to think that if Grimes outplays Quickly (at SG) he will take those minutes from Quickly. (But will he even see the floor the first 1/4 of the season?)

It is up to Grimes, if he can be aggressive and not passive - like he was after his first 2 Summer League games, and if he can add more defensive value than IQ. (I think he can add more defensive value but in time.)
I'm not sure Grimes can do that early in the season, but I would not at all be shocked to see Grimes become the new Quickly and for Quickly to be part of a trade package.

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8/18/2021  9:13 AM
I'm with the majority here in saying that Grimes has not passed Quickley in the rotation. You are putting TOO much weight in Summer league games....as a matter of fact, I'm not convinced that Obi is ahead of Taj in the depth chart.

IMO, Obi Toppin development will be a huge factor in the Knicks success this year.

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8/18/2021  9:30 AM
I would expect Nets as top in the east if healthy. Same for any team really hitting potential.
Then 2nd tier of Philly, Bucks, and the reboot of Miami with better role players.
Bottom Half of east is wide open. ATL and Chicago stand out here.
Now we get to Boston, Knicks, maybe Indy, and then maybe Charlotte. Knicks could fund themselves in the play in game.
I’m not hating, I just think ATL is still stronger and Chicago on paper adding BALL and Derozen with time for others to gel are a deep lineup. Can things go right for knicks and they land again 6-5-4 again? Of course. Every year there are “suprise” teams. Last year that was us. Maybe this year its the Wiz??? LOL, hard to predict. I’m not. I’m just not being naive to think we are “automatic” despite improvements. There is a path to being a 50+ game winning team. Just not banking on it.
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8/18/2021  9:52 AM
I don't think we'll have all these players available at the same time much this season. I do expect Thibs to rest up Kemba and Rose (back to backs, 3 games in 4 nights types). And Robinson, Burks and Noel are kind of injury prone too. So we'll utilize the depth and hopefully the rookies too.
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8/18/2021  9:59 AM
CanItGetAnyWorse wrote:
unstopaball12 wrote:Lol Grimes will not overtake Quickley to start the year despite size issues.

Only way I see Grimes and McBride getting mine if we have injuries or if we package a trade for a star player

Thibs is a no nonsense guy and all about winning. This annoyed many of us last year and will this year (regarding the young guys getting so few minutes and such tight rotations.)
So, it is not unreasonable to think that if Grimes outplays Quickly (at SG) he will take those minutes from Quickly. (But will he even see the floor the first 1/4 of the season?)

It is up to Grimes, if he can be aggressive and not passive - like he was after his first 2 Summer League games, and if he can add more defensive value than IQ. (I think he can add more defensive value but in time.)
I'm not sure Grimes can do that early in the season, but I would not at all be shocked to see Grimes become the new Quickly and for Quickly to be part of a trade package.

It's a valid point. IQ's defense is what it is. Grimes says he wants to defend Lebron. The only way IQ can be more valid is to develop a serviceable PnR game. Because Grimes=IQ from 3 point land as far as I am concerned.

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knicks1248
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8/18/2021  10:04 AM
Panos wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:C-Robinson
F Randle
F Barrett
G Fourmier
G Walker
6th man Burcks SF
Toppin F
Noel C
Grimes SG
Rose PG

Mcbride
Quickley
Gibson
Knox

Sims

Im sure we will use depth a bit more so as to keep our guys healthy. If we push the 260 pound Randle again like that he will simply lose it by playoffs like he did last year. I have Grimes ahead of Quickley and Mcbride because of size and his 3 point shot looks much better than IQ. Im sure both smaller guys will get PT but Im not sure about day 1.

That's a mad deep squad.

If they can stay healthy, but the harsh reality is that not many NBA teams do, in fact that can be said for any sport

The depth will definitely pay off

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8/18/2021  10:59 AM    LAST EDITED: 8/18/2021  11:00 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:C-Robinson
F Randle
F Barrett
G Fourmier
G Walker
6th man Burcks SF
Toppin F
Noel C
Grimes SG
Rose PG

Mcbride
Quickley
Gibson
Knox

Sims

Im sure we will use depth a bit more so as to keep our guys healthy. If we push the 260 pound Randle again like that he will simply lose it by playoffs like he did last year. I have Grimes ahead of Quickley and Mcbride because of size and his 3 point shot looks much better than IQ. Im sure both smaller guys will get PT but Im not sure about day 1.

Don’t let Quickleys poor shooting and Grimes hit streak fool you. Quickley is a lock for the rotation. Rose, IQ, Burks, Toppin and Noel is the bench squad. McBride, Grimes and Gibson find time when injuries occur or situationally. Those 13 are the ones that matter. The top 10 is a lock though.

Quickley is hot/cold. I’d prefer the extra size and Grimes has a three point shot( form) that resembles high end nba 3 point shooters. Quickley is 6-2 ish grimes 6-5 ish.

Quickley was an impact player last year and can play 1 or 2. He’s proven. Grimes has a long ways to go before he can accomplish what IQ did last year. With health concerns of Walker and Rose, IQ is needed in a major role that Grimes isn’t quite yet.

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8/18/2021  12:31 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/18/2021  12:32 PM
Knixkik wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:C-Robinson
F Randle
F Barrett
G Fourmier
G Walker
6th man Burcks SF
Toppin F
Noel C
Grimes SG
Rose PG

Mcbride
Quickley
Gibson
Knox

Sims

Im sure we will use depth a bit more so as to keep our guys healthy. If we push the 260 pound Randle again like that he will simply lose it by playoffs like he did last year. I have Grimes ahead of Quickley and Mcbride because of size and his 3 point shot looks much better than IQ. Im sure both smaller guys will get PT but Im not sure about day 1.

Don’t let Quickleys poor shooting and Grimes hit streak fool you. Quickley is a lock for the rotation. Rose, IQ, Burks, Toppin and Noel is the bench squad. McBride, Grimes and Gibson find time when injuries occur or situationally. Those 13 are the ones that matter. The top 10 is a lock though.

Quickley is hot/cold. I’d prefer the extra size and Grimes has a three point shot( form) that resembles high end nba 3 point shooters. Quickley is 6-2 ish grimes 6-5 ish.

Quickley was an impact player last year and can play 1 or 2. He’s proven. Grimes has a long ways to go before he can accomplish what IQ did last year. With health concerns of Walker and Rose, IQ is needed in a major role that Grimes isn’t quite yet.

I think Grimes and McBride will both push IQ for minutes. IQ will be given due consideration because of how he played last year, but Grimes has size, strength, shooting ability equal to IQ, and he might be a more disciplined player. I think Deuce also compares favorably to IQ, based on the small sampling size we saw in SL.

IQ might start off getting more minutes, but Thibs will, of course, play the guy(s) who help the team win more often.

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8/18/2021  12:52 PM
This is my take as well

CleaverGreene wrote:I think Grimes and McBride will both push IQ for minutes. IQ will be given due consideration because of how he played last year, but Grimes has size, strength, shooting ability equal to IQ, and he might be a more disciplined player. I think Deuce also compares favorably to IQ, based on the small sampling size we saw in SL.

IQ might start off getting more minutes, but Thibs will, of course, play the guy(s) who help the team win more often.

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8/18/2021  12:57 PM
blkexec wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:C-Robinson
F Randle
F Barrett
G Fourmier
G Walker
6th man Burcks SF
Toppin F
Noel C
Grimes SG
Rose PG

Mcbride
Quickley
Gibson
Knox

Sims

Im sure we will use depth a bit more so as to keep our guys healthy. If we push the 260 pound Randle again like that he will simply lose it by playoffs like he did last year. I have Grimes ahead of Quickley and Mcbride because of size and his 3 point shot looks much better than IQ. Im sure both smaller guys will get PT but Im not sure about day 1.

Don’t let Quickleys poor shooting and Grimes hit streak fool you. Quickley is a lock for the rotation. Rose, IQ, Burks, Toppin and Noel is the bench squad. McBride, Grimes and Gibson find time when injuries occur or situationally. Those 13 are the ones that matter. The top 10 is a lock though.

Quickley is hot/cold. I’d prefer the extra size and Grimes has a three point shot( form) that resembles high end nba 3 point shooters. Quickley is 6-2 ish grimes 6-5 ish.

So is this thread our dream of a rotation or a realistic version. 🤔 Because there's no way in hell that Grimes will push IQ to the bench during the 1st half of the season. Grimes and Duece will get playing time when someone is injured, resting or having a very bad stretch of games. Tom is a players coach who's also old school. If anything, Grimes and duece will force IQ to step his game up. We either need a trade or injury to occur. But I guarantee Walker and Rose will not play all 82 games. And there will be more blowouts than last year, which is when we will see our rookies play. Grimes reminds me of an agile 2way version of Alan Houston. Will be fun to see him grow.


I wouldn't be willing to bet my own money on your reading of the Grimes vs IQ "competition."

There is a reason we drafted two players, Grimes/McBride, who will compete with IQ for minutes, and did a draft/stash of another player (Rokas), who might also compete for time with IQ in the future.

IQ's marginal ability as a PG means he has to be more of a SG, at which point his size/strength come into question. Grimes has legit SG size/strength, and a more traditional approach playing SG, IMO. A higher shot release also means he doesn't need the amount of space IQ needs to shoot.

It won't be immediate, but I believe Grimes, once he becomes acclimated, will eventually take minutes from IQ & move past him in the rotation. How soon that happens to be determined.

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8/18/2021  12:59 PM
ramtour420 wrote:
CanItGetAnyWorse wrote:
unstopaball12 wrote:Lol Grimes will not overtake Quickley to start the year despite size issues.

Only way I see Grimes and McBride getting mine if we have injuries or if we package a trade for a star player

Thibs is a no nonsense guy and all about winning. This annoyed many of us last year and will this year (regarding the young guys getting so few minutes and such tight rotations.)
So, it is not unreasonable to think that if Grimes outplays Quickly (at SG) he will take those minutes from Quickly. (But will he even see the floor the first 1/4 of the season?)

It is up to Grimes, if he can be aggressive and not passive - like he was after his first 2 Summer League games, and if he can add more defensive value than IQ. (I think he can add more defensive value but in time.)
I'm not sure Grimes can do that early in the season, but I would not at all be shocked to see Grimes become the new Quickly and for Quickly to be part of a trade package.

It's a valid point. IQ's defense is what it is. Grimes says he wants to defend Lebron. The only way IQ can be more valid is to develop a serviceable PnR game. Because Grimes=IQ from 3 point land as far as I am concerned.

Yeah to the PnR game. We are in a GREAT position now. Love Deuce and Grimes. Kind of funny if you think they are "Thibs guys" because who doesn't want strong and intelligent 2 way players?
I know, it is often about drafting freshmans with upside, fair enough. But I haven't been this excited about the Knicks in a LONG time. I hope we at least see what this team can do for half
a season before making any major trades.

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8/18/2021  4:15 PM
Our starting lineup will be start of the season

PG: Rose
SG: RJ
SF: Fournier
PF: Randle
C: Mitch


Kemba will be on IL to start the season. IQ and/or McBride will be the backup pg

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8/18/2021  4:16 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
Panos wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:C-Robinson
F Randle
F Barrett
G Fourmier
G Walker
6th man Burcks SF
Toppin F
Noel C
Grimes SG
Rose PG

Mcbride
Quickley
Gibson
Knox

Sims

Im sure we will use depth a bit more so as to keep our guys healthy. If we push the 260 pound Randle again like that he will simply lose it by playoffs like he did last year. I have Grimes ahead of Quickley and Mcbride because of size and his 3 point shot looks much better than IQ. Im sure both smaller guys will get PT but Im not sure about day 1.

That's a mad deep squad.

If they can stay healthy, but the harsh reality is that not many NBA teams do, in fact that can be said for any sport

The depth will definitely pay off

Agree. Depth is always a good thing especially in 82 game regular seasons it will help us big

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8/18/2021  4:48 PM
Philc1 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Panos wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:C-Robinson
F Randle
F Barrett
G Fourmier
G Walker
6th man Burcks SF
Toppin F
Noel C
Grimes SG
Rose PG

Mcbride
Quickley
Gibson
Knox

Sims

Im sure we will use depth a bit more so as to keep our guys healthy. If we push the 260 pound Randle again like that he will simply lose it by playoffs like he did last year. I have Grimes ahead of Quickley and Mcbride because of size and his 3 point shot looks much better than IQ. Im sure both smaller guys will get PT but Im not sure about day 1.

That's a mad deep squad.

If they can stay healthy, but the harsh reality is that not many NBA teams do, in fact that can be said for any sport

The depth will definitely pay off

Agree. Depth is always a good thing especially in 82 game regular seasons it will help us big

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