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What gets me is Barrett doesn't make a team because he was perceived as a guy getting numbers without impact. Now watch IQ get dinged because he's a high impact guy without big numbers.

knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:IQ was the most impactful rookie of the year. He was a major difference-maker on a playoff team all year. He could have played in orlando or Houston and played 30 mpg and averaged 18-20, but he was in a smaller role on a good team. Unfortunately impact typically doesn't mean much in the rookie rankings.

What gets me is Barrett doesn't make a team because he was perceived as a guy getting numbers without impact. Now watch IQ get dinged because he's a high impact guy without big numbers.

Dude Ball and Edward were much better than IQ, hands down.

I believe IQ should make an all rookie team, but he's not better than those 2

knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:IQ was the most impactful rookie of the year. He was a major difference-maker on a playoff team all year. He could have played in orlando or Houston and played 30 mpg and averaged 18-20, but he was in a smaller role on a good team. Unfortunately impact typically doesn't mean much in the rookie rankings.

What gets me is Barrett doesn't make a team because he was perceived as a guy getting numbers without impact. Now watch IQ get dinged because he's a high impact guy without big numbers.

Dude Ball and Edward were much better than IQ, hands down.

I believe IQ should make an all rookie team, but he's not better than those 2

How was Edwards much better than IQ?

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Welpee wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:IQ was the most impactful rookie of the year. He was a major difference-maker on a playoff team all year. He could have played in orlando or Houston and played 30 mpg and averaged 18-20, but he was in a smaller role on a good team. Unfortunately impact typically doesn't mean much in the rookie rankings.

What gets me is Barrett doesn't make a team because he was perceived as a guy getting numbers without impact. Now watch IQ get dinged because he's a high impact guy without big numbers.

Dude Ball and Edward were much better than IQ, hands down.

I believe IQ should make an all rookie team, but he's not better than those 2

Yeah, that didn't make much sense. Also don't forget Haliburton.

Not saying at all he deserves rookie of the year. Just saying he was the most impactful rookie in terms on role on a winning team. You guys need to re read what I wrote. I just think his impact will be undervalued and he may not even make first team rookie.

what I'm beyond pumped about is we drafted the next Lou Williams

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knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:IQ was the most impactful rookie of the year. He was a major difference-maker on a playoff team all year. He could have played in orlando or Houston and played 30 mpg and averaged 18-20, but he was in a smaller role on a good team. Unfortunately impact typically doesn't mean much in the rookie rankings.

What gets me is Barrett doesn't make a team because he was perceived as a guy getting numbers without impact. Now watch IQ get dinged because he's a high impact guy without big numbers.

Dude Ball and Edward were much better than IQ, hands down.

I believe IQ should make an all rookie team, but he's not better than those 2

Yeah, that didn't make much sense. Also don't forget Haliburton.

Not saying at all he deserves rookie of the year. Just saying he was the most impactful rookie in terms on role on a winning team. You guys need to re read what I wrote. I just think his impact will be undervalued and he may not even make first team rookie.

I read what you wrote and still don't see it. So if a rookie is out performed by other rookies but his team happens to win more, that means he had more impact? Based on that logic should we mention Tyrese Maxey since Philly had a better record than us?

Look at most advanced stats. IQ had the most impact outside of Ball this year I think. It was ball, Haliburton and IQ. Edwards wasn’t in the picture.

lol...seems like "advance stats" is always the go to card to prove what you lying eyes aren't really seeing.

In this case, I think upside gets confused with performance. Do I think Haliburton or IQ have Edward's upside? No. Do I think they had more even performances throughout their rookie years? Yeah
I still think the award goes to Ball.

SupremeCommander wrote:don't really care about the award.. ROY is just a this season award... I don't miss THJ

what I'm beyond pumped about is we drafted the next Lou Williams

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knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:IQ was the most impactful rookie of the year. He was a major difference-maker on a playoff team all year. He could have played in orlando or Houston and played 30 mpg and averaged 18-20, but he was in a smaller role on a good team. Unfortunately impact typically doesn't mean much in the rookie rankings.

What gets me is Barrett doesn't make a team because he was perceived as a guy getting numbers without impact. Now watch IQ get dinged because he's a high impact guy without big numbers.

Dude Ball and Edward were much better than IQ, hands down.

I believe IQ should make an all rookie team, but he's not better than those 2

How was Edwards much better than IQ?

Certainly had a much different role on his respective team - starting v bench - and his progression from start to end of the season was very noticeable.

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knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:IQ was the most impactful rookie of the year. He was a major difference-maker on a playoff team all year. He could have played in orlando or Houston and played 30 mpg and averaged 18-20, but he was in a smaller role on a good team. Unfortunately impact typically doesn't mean much in the rookie rankings.

What gets me is Barrett doesn't make a team because he was perceived as a guy getting numbers without impact. Now watch IQ get dinged because he's a high impact guy without big numbers.

Dude Ball and Edward were much better than IQ, hands down.

I believe IQ should make an all rookie team, but he's not better than those 2

Yeah, that didn't make much sense. Also don't forget Haliburton.

Not saying at all he deserves rookie of the year. Just saying he was the most impactful rookie in terms on role on a winning team. You guys need to re read what I wrote. I just think his impact will be undervalued and he may not even make first team rookie.

I read what you wrote and still don't see it. So if a rookie is out performed by other rookies but his team happens to win more, that means he had more impact? Based on that logic should we mention Tyrese Maxey since Philly had a better record than us?

Look at most advanced stats. IQ had the most impact outside of Ball this year I think. It was ball, Haliburton and IQ. Edwards wasn’t in the picture.

lol...seems like "advance stats" is always the go to card to prove what you lying eyes aren't really seeing.

In this case, I think upside gets confused with performance. Do I think Haliburton or IQ have Edward's upside? No. Do I think they had more even performances throughout their rookie years? Yeah
I still think the award goes to Ball.

Not sure I agree with that either. If you look at pre and post all-star game numbers(roughly the halfway mark of the season) Quickley's stats dropped slightly in spite of his minutes being bumped up a little. Haliburton stayed relatively consistent. Edwards jumped from 15 ppg to 24 ppg in the second half. Honestly, I love IQ but the last thing I think of when describing Quickley's rookie year would be "even performances."

How much defense was Halliburton (or Edwards for that matter) asked to play on the worst defensive team in the NBA? I wonder if its easier or more difficult to play consistent offense when your coach is constantly on your case to put out maximum effort on D or he will get in your face?

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knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:IQ was the most impactful rookie of the year. He was a major difference-maker on a playoff team all year. He could have played in orlando or Houston and played 30 mpg and averaged 18-20, but he was in a smaller role on a good team. Unfortunately impact typically doesn't mean much in the rookie rankings.

What gets me is Barrett doesn't make a team because he was perceived as a guy getting numbers without impact. Now watch IQ get dinged because he's a high impact guy without big numbers.

Dude Ball and Edward were much better than IQ, hands down.

I believe IQ should make an all rookie team, but he's not better than those 2

Yeah, that didn't make much sense. Also don't forget Haliburton.

Not saying at all he deserves rookie of the year. Just saying he was the most impactful rookie in terms on role on a winning team. You guys need to re read what I wrote. I just think his impact will be undervalued and he may not even make first team rookie.

I read what you wrote and still don't see it. So if a rookie is out performed by other rookies but his team happens to win more, that means he had more impact? Based on that logic should we mention Tyrese Maxey since Philly had a better record than us?

Look at most advanced stats. IQ had the most impact outside of Ball this year I think. It was ball, Haliburton and IQ. Edwards wasn’t in the picture.

lol...seems like "advance stats" is always the go to card to prove what you lying eyes aren't really seeing.

In this case, I think upside gets confused with performance. Do I think Haliburton or IQ have Edward's upside? No. Do I think they had more even performances throughout their rookie years? Yeah
I still think the award goes to Ball.

Not sure I agree with that either. If you look at pre and post all-star game numbers(roughly the halfway mark of the season) Quickley's stats dropped slightly in spite of his minutes being bumped up a little. Haliburton stayed relatively consistent. Edwards jumped from 15 ppg to 24 ppg in the second half. Honestly, I love IQ but the last thing I think of when describing Quickley's rookie year would be "even performances."

IQ dropped "slightly". Edward was god awful for the first half. And I'm not even talking ppg. Efficiency was abysmal as well. That's what I mean by more even performances.