ToddTT wrote:I thought Monty won it weeks ago.

so did I. He was honored by his fellow coaches- I did not realize there were two such awards or honors:

https://sports.yahoo.com/tom-thibodeau-beat-out-monty-williams-as-nba-coach-of-the-year-233729297.html

In May, Williams' NBA coaching peers voted him as the National Basketball Coaches Association Coach of the Year.

ramtour420 wrote:I really love Thibs as a coach. It's well deserved. He is our best coach since Lenny Wilkens. But he is not perfect and his offensive schemes need a major overhaul. Next season will be a big test for him. Will he evolve into an even better version of himself or will it be ISO after ISO with no end in sight. We shall see

Thibs is not an offensive guru, that’s a clear thing. But even if we had a coach who is much better in that segment, there is no chance he would repeat Thibs’ success who defensively made a miracle out of this team.

I want to say that COY is more than deservedly his.

wargames wrote:

xavier wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:I really love Thibs as a coach. It's well deserved. He is our best coach since Lenny Wilkens. But he is not perfect and his offensive schemes need a major overhaul. Next season will be a big test for him. Will he evolve into an even better version of himself or will it be ISO after ISO with no end in sight. We shall see

Thibs is not an offensive guru, that’s a clear thing. But even if we had a coach who is much better in that segment, there is no chance he would repeat Thibs’ success who defensively made a miracle out of this team.

I want to say that COY is more than deservedly his.

They need to hire an offensive coach assistant or an offensive coordinator. Not to make calls in game but to work on the schemes and rotation before them.

That sounds reasonable. Who did that part of the job anyway? Thibs himself in consultation with assistants or was there a strict division?

Thibs is a great motivator and call maker in the game, but it would be good to have some modern offensive analyst with him.

ramtour420 wrote:I really love Thibs as a coach. It's well deserved. He is our best coach since Lenny Wilkens. But he is not perfect and his offensive schemes need a major overhaul. Next season will be a big test for him. Will he evolve into an even better version of himself or will it be ISO after ISO with no end in sight. We shall see

Woodson and D’Antoni were both better here than Wilkins

Welpee wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:I really love Thibs as a coach. It's well deserved. He is our best coach since Lenny Wilkens. But he is not perfect and his offensive schemes need a major overhaul. Next season will be a big test for him. Will he evolve into an even better version of himself or will it be ISO after ISO with no end in sight. We shall see

Woodson and D’Antoni were both better here than Wilkins

Yeah, I scratched my head about that comment too. Unless he's referring to his entire career and not just his Knick tenure.

And don't forget about Isiah as coach

And I'm only half kidding - I thought Isiah was a decent coach.

jrodmc wrote:

Welpee wrote:

xavier wrote:

wargames wrote:

xavier wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:I really love Thibs as a coach. It's well deserved. He is our best coach since Lenny Wilkens. But he is not perfect and his offensive schemes need a major overhaul. Next season will be a big test for him. Will he evolve into an even better version of himself or will it be ISO after ISO with no end in sight. We shall see

Thibs is not an offensive guru, that’s a clear thing. But even if we had a coach who is much better in that segment, there is no chance he would repeat Thibs’ success who defensively made a miracle out of this team.

I want to say that COY is more than deservedly his.

They need to hire an offensive coach assistant or an offensive coordinator. Not to make calls in game but to work on the schemes and rotation before them.

That sounds reasonable. Who did that part of the job anyway? Thibs himself in consultation with assistants or was there a strict division?

Thibs is a great motivator and call maker in the game, but it would be good to have some modern offensive analyst with him.

I think you guys are making assumptions that may not be true. He probably already has someone in that role. Based on what I've read about Thibs, I seriously doubt that he's the exact opposite of D'Antoni who had zero interest in defense had a coaching philosophy of acquire better offensive players and get as many shot attempts up as possible.

I think Thib cares and works on the offense even though defense is his focus. Hard to be great at both given our talent level.

+1 This
If Thibs only cares about defense, why is Frankie glued to the bench as a cameo bit player? Because he doesn't recognize Frankie would be StephIverCurry if only the right sets were being called?

Maybe we didn't understand each other the best, where did I say that Thibs only cares about defense or that he doesn't have anyone by his side for the offensive part?

First, I prefer defense and that's why I like Thibs so much, but second, whether he had someone in charge of the attack or not, the fact is that we could have been a little more modern and diverse in the attack.

ramtour420 wrote:I really love Thibs as a coach. It's well deserved. He is our best coach since Lenny Wilkens. But he is not perfect and his offensive schemes need a major overhaul. Next season will be a big test for him. Will he evolve into an even better version of himself or will it be ISO after ISO with no end in sight. We shall see

^^^
Example of a New York compliment.

I pushed for Thibs going back to when the Wolves hired him. He is a well respected coach. A defensive minded coach. An experienced coach. And now showed he is also an overachieving coach that knows how to get the most out of unproven players. All we need now is to get him a top rated PG and some shooters.

ramtour420 wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:I really love Thibs as a coach. It's well deserved. He is our best coach since Lenny Wilkens. But he is not perfect and his offensive schemes need a major overhaul. Next season will be a big test for him. Will he evolve into an even better version of himself or will it be ISO after ISO with no end in sight. We shall see

Woodson and D’Antoni were both better here than Wilkins

Woodsons is not head coach material and MDA needed a very specific type of player ( Nash or Harden) to be an effective head coach. He is the perfect offensive coordinator and his role with the Nets is much better suited for his abilities. Lenny Wilkens did more here with less. That's my criteria. And of course I judge by their entire resume and not just the last stop

Lenny Wilkens (23-19) https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/NYK/2004.html
Lenny Wilkens (17-22) https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/NYK/2005.html

In fairness to Lenny, there was a ton of turmoil going on, but I'm not sure his coaching stood out during that time.