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knicks1248
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6/3/2021  12:33 PM
THESE ARE FACTS WE JUST WITNESS

“The playoffs are nothing like the regular season,” Myers said. “They are two completely different sports.”


Myers went on for more chilling remarks considering the depth of Randle’s struggles in the playoffs when he shot 29.8 percent (33.3 percent from 3).

“Whatever they know (a star) does well, is gone,” Myers said. “Even shooters.That two feet of space in the regular season is two inches. Watch how many players cannot make a shot in the playoffs and shoot 42 percent (Randle’s percentage) in the regular season. It’s not the same thing. Why does that matter? The more dimensions you have to your game the harder you are to take away. You watch the playoffs you know who can play basketball. That’s when you evaluate players.

I'm also going to add, the knicks benefited more from having no fans, because we played shell shock in our last 2 home games and did not feed off the energy of the fans.

Thibs got exposed for having such a closed mind with his rotations...Benching Payton, Knox and frank, was pretty narrow minded IMO

Even with Payton struggling(still a much better defender than 32 yr old rose), we won games with the bench and a much fresher Rose.

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6/3/2021  12:38 PM
Is this the crybabies thread to be a foil to the other one created by KnickDanger?
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6/3/2021  12:44 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/3/2021  12:45 PM
So who would you say looks like a decent playoff performer on the roster?


It would also mean who didn’t look that great but can turn into a good playoff performer ?

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6/3/2021  12:50 PM
knicks1248 wrote:THESE ARE FACTS WE JUST WITNESS

“The playoffs are nothing like the regular season,” Myers said. “They are two completely different sports.”


Myers went on for more chilling remarks considering the depth of Randle’s struggles in the playoffs when he shot 29.8 percent (33.3 percent from 3).

“Whatever they know (a star) does well, is gone,” Myers said. “Even shooters.That two feet of space in the regular season is two inches. Watch how many players cannot make a shot in the playoffs and shoot 42 percent (Randle’s percentage) in the regular season. It’s not the same thing. Why does that matter? The more dimensions you have to your game the harder you are to take away. You watch the playoffs you know who can play basketball. That’s when you evaluate players.

I'm also going to add, the knicks benefited more from having no fans, because we played shell shock in our last 2 home games and did not feed off the energy of the fans.

Thibs got exposed for having such a closed mind with his rotations...Benching Payton, Knox and frank, was pretty narrow minded IMO

Even with Payton struggling(still a much better defender than 32 yr old rose), we won games with the bench and a much fresher Rose.

Thibs coaching philosophy equals “ live by the sword, die by the sword “

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6/3/2021  1:07 PM
knicks1248 wrote:THESE ARE FACTS WE JUST WITNESS

Benching Payton, Knox and frank, was pretty narrow minded IMO

Hallelujah, praise the Lord!

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6/3/2021  1:08 PM
xblvdels3 wrote:So who would you say looks like a decent playoff performer on the roster?


It would also mean who didn’t look that great but can turn into a good playoff performer ?

RJ was ok. Not great but he’s only 20. IQ and Obi had their moments. Taj played with a lot of heart. Burks had an excellent game 1.


Other than that the rest of the roster sucked

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6/3/2021  1:08 PM
martin wrote:Is this the crybabies thread to be a foil to the other one created by KnickDanger?

This may be the one exception of (you are as good as your record) because we were nowhere near as good as our record indicated.

We benefited from the pandemic rules.

Make no mistake, we need a few major upgrades in 3 key areas..PG/SF/C.

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6/3/2021  1:14 PM
Philc1 wrote:
xblvdels3 wrote:So who would you say looks like a decent playoff performer on the roster?


It would also mean who didn’t look that great but can turn into a good playoff performer ?



RJ was ok.
Not great but he’s only 20. IQ and Obi had their moments. Taj played with a lot of heart. Burks had an excellent game 1.


Other than that the rest of the roster sucked

At what? Definitely not OK at shooting. Or defending. Rebounded OK.

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6/3/2021  1:16 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/3/2021  1:19 PM
knicks1248 wrote:THESE ARE FACTS WE JUST WITNESS

“The playoffs are nothing like the regular season,” Myers said. “They are two completely different sports.”


Myers went on for more chilling remarks considering the depth of Randle’s struggles in the playoffs when he shot 29.8 percent (33.3 percent from 3).

“Whatever they know (a star) does well, is gone,” Myers said. “Even shooters.That two feet of space in the regular season is two inches. Watch how many players cannot make a shot in the playoffs and shoot 42 percent (Randle’s percentage) in the regular season. It’s not the same thing. Why does that matter? The more dimensions you have to your game the harder you are to take away. You watch the playoffs you know who can play basketball. That’s when you evaluate players.

I'm also going to add, the knicks benefited more from having no fans, because we played shell shock in our last 2 home games and did not feed off the energy of the fans.

Thibs got exposed for having such a closed mind with his rotations...Benching Payton, Knox and frank, was pretty narrow minded IMO

Even with Payton struggling(still a much better defender than 32 yr old rose), we won games with the bench and a much fresher Rose.

blame it Thibs for getting run out as teh 4th seed is shallow.
who is “Myers”? This Pete Myers? Oscar Myers? This the Rainman gig of “since i have no cred let me reprint something I agree with and be thought of as a good basketball mind”.
Not. cite our source or link it. your omitting the rest of the content denies us the ability to see that comment in its proper context. Then we can agree with it or not.

Most of fans were crying for thibs to take out Payton. He did.
we were crying or him to make adjustments. He did.
It did not work. But he did.
We assume change will bring improvement. Not always.
Why was it assumed we were going to win? Cuz we beat them and Randle went off. Fans expectation. Hating media were spot on to say “ATL has more talent”.
Thibs is lauded for not trying things in the playoffs. Perhaps acts of desperation should be attempted but reality is its very unlikely.

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6/3/2021  1:19 PM
martin wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
xblvdels3 wrote:So who would you say looks like a decent playoff performer on the roster?


It would also mean who didn’t look that great but can turn into a good playoff performer ?



RJ was ok.
Not great but he’s only 20. IQ and Obi had their moments. Taj played with a lot of heart. Burks had an excellent game 1.


Other than that the rest of the roster sucked

At what? Definitely not OK at shooting. Or defending. Rebounded OK.

He averaged 14 and 5 on 38% shooting from the field.


It’s crazy how you guys want to trash everybody on the roster accept Randle who was historically bad and shot 27% from the field for the series

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6/3/2021  1:23 PM
knicks1248 wrote:THESE ARE FACTS WE JUST WITNESS



Fact#1 - If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a ball

Fact#2 - Fresh urine is sterile

Those are facts. As for you, I have no ****ing idea what the hell you are talking about. If I had a bag of wrenches right now, you'd be totally ****ed.

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6/3/2021  1:27 PM
Philc1 wrote:
martin wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
xblvdels3 wrote:So who would you say looks like a decent playoff performer on the roster?


It would also mean who didn’t look that great but can turn into a good playoff performer ?



RJ was ok.
Not great but he’s only 20. IQ and Obi had their moments. Taj played with a lot of heart. Burks had an excellent game 1.


Other than that the rest of the roster sucked

At what? Definitely not OK at shooting. Or defending. Rebounded OK.

He averaged 14 and 5 on 38% shooting from the field.


It’s crazy how you guys want to trash everybody on the roster accept Randle who was historically bad and shot 27% from the field for the series

Do you read what you typed before you post it? Cause it makes zero sense.

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6/3/2021  1:28 PM
TripleThreat wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:THESE ARE FACTS WE JUST WITNESS



Fact#1 - If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a ball

Fact#2 - Fresh urine is sterile

Those are facts. As for you, I have no ****ing idea what the hell you are talking about. If I had a bag of wrenches right now, you'd be totally ****ed.

what in the world are you talking about..lmao

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6/3/2021  1:39 PM
knicks1248 wrote:THESE ARE FACTS WE JUST WITNESS

“The playoffs are nothing like the regular season,” Myers said. “They are two completely different sports.”


Myers went on for more chilling remarks considering the depth of Randle’s struggles in the playoffs when he shot 29.8 percent (33.3 percent from 3).

“Whatever they know (a star) does well, is gone,” Myers said. “Even shooters.That two feet of space in the regular season is two inches. Watch how many players cannot make a shot in the playoffs and shoot 42 percent (Randle’s percentage) in the regular season. It’s not the same thing. Why does that matter? The more dimensions you have to your game the harder you are to take away. You watch the playoffs you know who can play basketball. That’s when you evaluate players.

I'm also going to add, the knicks benefited more from having no fans, because we played shell shock in our last 2 home games and did not feed off the energy of the fans.

Thibs got exposed for having such a closed mind with his rotations...Benching Payton, Knox and frank, was pretty narrow minded IMO

Even with Payton struggling(still a much better defender than 32 yr old rose), we won games with the bench and a much fresher Rose.

I'm guessing a lot of it has to do with Randle having no help. Rose had a couple good games, but who was really there to take pressure off of Randle? I'm not concerned at all about Randle, i'm concerned about getting some better players so he doesn't have to deal with that type of defense loading up. Atlanta's focus was shutting down Randle and make everyone else beat them, and it worked to perfection.

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6/3/2021  2:05 PM
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knicks1248 wrote:THESE ARE FACTS WE JUST WITNESS

“The playoffs are nothing like the regular season,” Myers said. “They are two completely different sports.”


Myers went on for more chilling remarks considering the depth of Randle’s struggles in the playoffs when he shot 29.8 percent (33.3 percent from 3).

“Whatever they know (a star) does well, is gone,” Myers said. “Even shooters.That two feet of space in the regular season is two inches. Watch how many players cannot make a shot in the playoffs and shoot 42 percent (Randle’s percentage) in the regular season. It’s not the same thing. Why does that matter? The more dimensions you have to your game the harder you are to take away. You watch the playoffs you know who can play basketball. That’s when you evaluate players.

I'm also going to add, the knicks benefited more from having no fans, because we played shell shock in our last 2 home games and did not feed off the energy of the fans.

Thibs got exposed for having such a closed mind with his rotations...Benching Payton, Knox and frank, was pretty narrow minded IMO

Even with Payton struggling(still a much better defender than 32 yr old rose), we won games with the bench and a much fresher Rose.

I'm guessing a lot of it has to do with Randle having no help. Rose had a couple good games, but who was really there to take pressure off of Randle? I'm not concerned at all about Randle, i'm concerned about getting some better players so he doesn't have to deal with that type of defense loading up. Atlanta's focus was shutting down Randle and make everyone else beat them, and it worked to perfection.

He had several unforced TO's

He just seemed so unsure about what he wanted to do, he either force a shot, or forced a bad pass leading to 8 TO's and and a lousy shooting %

They not only stopped Randle, they gave little room to shooters, you kept hearing Mcmillan telling his guys to keep making their shooter uncomfortable, don't give them any space.

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6/3/2021  2:39 PM
Honestly, Randle just sucked. It had nothing to do with having no help.

Burks carried us in game 1, Rose in game 3.

Randle had his head down and was dribbling into traffic every single play. He didn't want to shoot the ball, everything was a pump fake into a jump pass. He looked exactly like the player everyone wanted off the team in the playoffs. He didn't play big. He killed the offense at every turn. You can't build any momentum when your best player is launching off balanced three pointers and making momentum killing turnovers.

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MS wrote:Honestly, Randle just sucked. It had nothing to do with having no help.

Burks carried us in game 1, Rose in game 3.

Randle had his head down and was dribbling into traffic every single play. He didn't want to shoot the ball, everything was a pump fake into a jump pass. He looked exactly like the player everyone wanted off the team in the playoffs. He didn't play big. He killed the offense at every turn. You can't build any momentum when your best player is launching off balanced three pointers and making momentum killing turnovers.

100% facts..and I was completely against trading him

I'm not giving him a pass on this..

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6/3/2021  3:18 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/3/2021  3:21 PM
knicks1248 wrote:Thibs got exposed for having such a closed mind with his rotations...Benching Payton, Knox and frank, was pretty narrow minded IMO

Even with Payton struggling(still a much better defender than 32 yr old rose), we won games with the bench and a much fresher Rose.

This falls under the familiar "lets see what the coach didn't do and blame that as the reason we didn't win." Benching Knox and Frank and not playing Payton was because they stunk! The notion that playing players who stunk will result in winning if we play them more is illogical.

If Thibs were so narrow minded how did Rose end up in the starting lineup? How did Taj get inserted into the starting lineup because we needed offense with Randle and RJ struggling? How did Burks end up assuming point guard duties towards the end of the year? How did he gradually reduce Payton's minutes in direct alignment his steady decline in performance?

Just because fans gravitate to the "throw it against the wall and see what sticks" philosophy of coaching versus analyzing your talent and acting accordingly based on best odds of working, doesn't mean Thibs should shoulder a lot of blame for our performance. He is ultimately going to be held responsible for the results. But it doesn't mean it's his fault Randle was horrible and Payton was unplayable.

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6/3/2021  3:22 PM
Nalod wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:THESE ARE FACTS WE JUST WITNESS

“The playoffs are nothing like the regular season,” Myers said. “They are two completely different sports.”


Myers went on for more chilling remarks considering the depth of Randle’s struggles in the playoffs when he shot 29.8 percent (33.3 percent from 3).

“Whatever they know (a star) does well, is gone,” Myers said. “Even shooters.That two feet of space in the regular season is two inches. Watch how many players cannot make a shot in the playoffs and shoot 42 percent (Randle’s percentage) in the regular season. It’s not the same thing. Why does that matter? The more dimensions you have to your game the harder you are to take away. You watch the playoffs you know who can play basketball. That’s when you evaluate players.

I'm also going to add, the knicks benefited more from having no fans, because we played shell shock in our last 2 home games and did not feed off the energy of the fans.

Thibs got exposed for having such a closed mind with his rotations...Benching Payton, Knox and frank, was pretty narrow minded IMO

Even with Payton struggling(still a much better defender than 32 yr old rose), we won games with the bench and a much fresher Rose.

blame it Thibs for getting run out as teh 4th seed is shallow.
who is “Myers”? This Pete Myers? Oscar Myers? This the Rainman gig of “since i have no cred let me reprint something I agree with and be thought of as a good basketball mind”.
Not. cite our source or link it. your omitting the rest of the content denies us the ability to see that comment in its proper context. Then we can agree with it or not.

Most of fans were crying for thibs to take out Payton. He did.
we were crying or him to make adjustments. He did.
It did not work. But he did.
We assume change will bring improvement. Not always.
Why was it assumed we were going to win? Cuz we beat them and Randle went off. Fans expectation. Hating media were spot on to say “ATL has more talent”.
Thibs is lauded for not trying things in the playoffs. Perhaps acts of desperation should be attempted but reality is its very unlikely.

Plus this...

Why can't this year's playoff experience be a stepping-stone to future success. In NYC, it's achieve or GTFO. But in life, that's a fools' paradise. How long have we suffered? DECADES. Let this season be what it actually is...a learning experience. Players grow...especially those in their 20s. Players learn and adapt. NYK will be back next season, maybe not a 4 seed, but we'll be in the playoffs. And we will bring with us our insights from the past two weeks. And we will grow from it.

Thibs understands this...he recognizes that the glass is indeed half FULL. So will other, better players. The league will now take notice because unlike 1248, they aren't committed to whining.

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