Yes Mitch warm up to that 8-10m 😂

KnickDanger wrote:So how do I get the decoder ring?

Was wondering if it was just me...

martin wrote:There was a shot of Mitch on bench during game - saw it on the MSG feed - where Mitch was wearing the "NY or nowhere" shirt and Clyde mentioned he looked like he had been working out and it showed

That solves part of it!

EwingsGlass wrote:Feel like Robinson catches too much flack on this board. When he didn’t have a broken bone, he was top 5 in blocks, top 5 in box outs and had made serious strides on controlling his fouls. If the problem is that he isn’t Kareem - well, that’s solvable. He can change his name too.

If it’s a couple articles about him missing a plane - kid is still young. Could use guidance from a guy like Noel. If it’s that he skipped college to workout... well, we knew he would need more time to develop team basketball. We wouldn’t have him on our team if he didn’t.

Injuries? Broke his hand and his foot. Those aren’t exactly indicators of failing health.

I freaking love this guy and see So much upside. You can’t teach that quick bounce. No tearing this guy down. There is no reason why you can’t lock up the C position for the next 4+ years with Noel and Robinson. We don’t need a stretch 5 when you can have a guy in position to box out.

The hand was a contact injury.
his workout intensity is not known. Posting 3pters vs. YMCA players is not an indictment on him either.
The foot injury is a big deal based on the physiology of what happend and to which bone. We talking Yao Ming/Bill Walton foot problems or a likely one off.
This all matters for his salary or trade values going forward. We kicked ass without him so its not like he was missed.
The quick bounce is dependent on his hops, and you need healthy feet. That he does not have great fundamentals is not helpful. His offensive fundamentals are near non existent. That has yet to be seen and the reason for his many tweets promoting himself from my view.
I’m not hating on him but I don’t see the upside potential as vast as before. Noel’s a good template to see what he can be offensively. Incremental improvement is what we have seen and its encouraging. The foot injury comes at a bad time for him contract wise.

Nalod wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:Feel like Robinson catches too much flack on this board. When he didn’t have a broken bone, he was top 5 in blocks, top 5 in box outs and had made serious strides on controlling his fouls. If the problem is that he isn’t Kareem - well, that’s solvable. He can change his name too.

If it’s a couple articles about him missing a plane - kid is still young. Could use guidance from a guy like Noel. If it’s that he skipped college to workout... well, we knew he would need more time to develop team basketball. We wouldn’t have him on our team if he didn’t.

Injuries? Broke his hand and his foot. Those aren’t exactly indicators of failing health.

I freaking love this guy and see So much upside. You can’t teach that quick bounce. No tearing this guy down. There is no reason why you can’t lock up the C position for the next 4+ years with Noel and Robinson. We don’t need a stretch 5 when you can have a guy in position to box out.

The hand was a contact injury.
his workout intensity is not known. Posting 3pters vs. YMCA players is not an indictment on him either.
The foot injury is a big deal based on the physiology of what happend and to which bone. We talking Yao Ming/Bill Walton foot problems or a likely one off.
This all matters for his salary or trade values going forward. We kicked ass without him so its not like he was missed.
The quick bounce is dependent on his hops, and you need healthy feet. That he does not have great fundamentals is not helpful. His offensive fundamentals are near non existent. That has yet to be seen and the reason for his many tweets promoting himself from my view.
I’m not hating on him but I don’t see the upside potential as vast as before. Noel’s a good template to see what he can be offensively. Incremental improvement is what we have seen and its encouraging. The foot injury comes at a bad time for him contract wise.

Haven't seen an injury ever come at a good time contract wise. He has a $1.8mm option that the team really should pick up UNLESS they want to make him a RFA.

All of his skill sets are developing. This is why he was a 2nd round pick and not a first rounder. None of the rookies really advanced under Horny or Fizz. Time with this staff is a positive for any young player. He is still only 23. Years of control remaining is literally is only downside. Upside potential as a function of contract control is a depreciating asset. That said, simple fix is to sign a team friendly extension.

EwingsGlass wrote:Feel like Robinson catches too much flack on this board. When he didn’t have a broken bone, he was top 5 in blocks, top 5 in box outs and had made serious strides on controlling his fouls. If the problem is that he isn’t Kareem - well, that’s solvable. He can change his name too.

If it’s a couple articles about him missing a plane - kid is still young. Could use guidance from a guy like Noel. If it’s that he skipped college to workout... well, we knew he would need more time to develop team basketball. We wouldn’t have him on our team if he didn’t.

Injuries? Broke his hand and his foot. Those aren’t exactly indicators of failing health.

I freaking love this guy and see So much upside. You can’t teach that quick bounce. No tearing this guy down. There is no reason why you can’t lock up the C position for the next 4+ years with Noel and Robinson. We don’t need a stretch 5 when you can have a guy in position to box out.

With that bounce he should be avg no less than 10/11 rebounds and have at least 1 Goto move on offense. If it took him 3 season to learn how to stop fouling, how long will it take to develop all the other aspects of that position.

Mitch has to get is offese together or he's limited to playing one position, you can't slide him to the PF, just like you can't slide OBI to the Center of SF position.

In today's NBA, more and more players can play 2 position.

EwingsGlass wrote:2) Really haven't seen him prioritized in offensive sets. Not really worth speculating whether he has no offense where he and Noel aren't really asked to be anywhere except floating around the box.

Do you really need to be prioritized in offensive sets to show something? Noel has at least attempted some baby jumpers, Mitch doesn't even think about it when he catches the ball. And maybe that's even by design from the coaching staff, and if it is, it's a sign he hasn't worked enough (or crossed that line where it should be at least functional'ish) on it to even try?

You can see the footwork that Taj has around the basket and can only hope to see Mitch add that

martin wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:2) Really haven't seen him prioritized in offensive sets. Not really worth speculating whether he has no offense where he and Noel aren't really asked to be anywhere except floating around the box.

Do you really need to be prioritized in offensive sets to show something? Noel has at least attempted some baby jumpers, Mitch doesn't even think about it when he catches the ball. And maybe that's even by design from the coaching staff, and if it is, it's a sign he hasn't worked enough (or crossed that line where it should be at least functional'ish) on it to even try?

You can see the footwork that Taj has around the basket and can only hope to see Mitch add that

"Prioritized" is a poor argument by me. I would actually just want them to run a few more PNRs for Robinson.

That said, I am morally opposed to those 'baby jumpers' from a eFG perspective. I don't value them the way you do. By arguing the 'Noel at least attempted baby jumpers', there is a preference towards less efficient shots like Noel and Gibson. See below.

Robinson
http://nbashotcharts.com/raw?id=63009032

Noel:
http://nbashotcharts.com/raw?id=1003391353

Gibson
http://nbashotcharts.com/raw?id=-550469963

Shot charts for Robinson/Noel/Gibson.

PPS for each:

Robinson 1.33
Noel 1.22
Gibson 1.26

I much prefer the shot chart of Robinson to the other two. Maximizes PPS.

This analysis isn't entirely fair though. The failures of course are 1) to the extent MRob is consistently passing up open looks giving teammates less efficient shots and/or 2) his lack of variability allows the defense to "cheat" and pack the paint. In such cases you are right.

If you simply want him to develop a consistent 8-10 footer or a dribble hook to keep teams "honest" -- I can't argue that and admit if he isn't using it, maybe he needs to develop it more. I don't see this as an outright condemnation though to the extent that he is highly efficient and not taking what he knows to be bad shots for him.

Knickoftime wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:Feel like Robinson catches too much flack on this board. When he didn’t have a broken bone, he was top 5 in blocks, top 5 in box outs and had made serious strides on controlling his fouls. If the problem is that he isn’t Kareem - well, that’s solvable. He can change his name too.

If it’s a couple articles about him missing a plane - kid is still young. Could use guidance from a guy like Noel. If it’s that he skipped college to workout... well, we knew he would need more time to develop team basketball. We wouldn’t have him on our team if he didn’t.

Injuries? Broke his hand and his foot. Those aren’t exactly indicators of failing health.

I freaking love this guy and see So much upside. You can’t teach that quick bounce. No tearing this guy down. There is no reason why you can’t lock up the C position for the next 4+ years with Noel and Robinson. We don’t need a stretch 5 when you can have a guy in position to box out.

With that bounce he should be avg no less than 10/11 rebounds and have at least 1 Goto move on offense. If it took him 3 season to learn how to stop fouling, how long will it take to develop all the other aspects of that position.

Since he's signed for year 4 for $1.8m, we have another year to find out.

When Joe Judge got the Giants job last year one of his first public answers to a question from the press is (I'm paraphrasing) "don't tell me what a player can't do, tell me what he CAN do".

Robinson AS IS has valuable NBA skills and he doesn't need to be paid on a projected basis until next summer.

Right now and next season he'll be a very valuable bargain for the things he CAN do, and I trust Thibs to not only get them out of him but know how to use them wisely.

Wbat else is there?

You know Why Mitch is wearing that shirt, it's because he saw that he was so easy to replace because he had no place. The team scored more, played faster, and most of all, WON a lot MORE GAMES without him

Players that take 5 to 7 yrs to develop, they end up on different teams, and Randle is a perfect example of that.

Players that ball out from the start, get contract extensions.

The New Age center KAT, EMBIID, JOKIC, TURNER WOODS, BAM. VUCEVIC, Not the One dimensional Mitch, those guys are a dime a dozen.

Had Noel had a Full normal Training camp, he would have beat out mitch for the starting job.

i'll let Broc figure out his value, but he was a 2nd round pick for a reason.