It was a good peak watching the Lakers last night (and quite frankly I thought the Spurs and Miami games help too) and seeing how and what he compares to AD. Lots of role players out there and the 2 were the obvious exceptions.

I like this site to compare 2 or more players for year to year or career, it's useful. http://Stathead.com

Here are stats for this past season: https://stathead.com/tiny/bvw5o

Per Game
	G 	MP 	FG 	FGA 	FG% 	3P 	3PA 	3P% 	2P 	2PA 	2P% 	eFG% 	FT 	FTA 	FT% 	ORB 	DRB 	TRB 	AST 	STL 	BLK 	TOV 	PF 	PTS
AD	34	32.2	8.4	17.1	.492	0.7	2.7	.269	7.7	14.4	.535	.514	4.3	5.8	.732	1.8	6.2	8.0	3.1	1.2	1.7	2.1	1.7	21.9
Julius  68	37.3	8.5	18.5	.459	2.3	5.4	.415	6.3	13.1	.478	.520	4.8	5.9	.810	1.2	9.0	10.3	5.9	0.9	0.3	3.4	3.2	24.0

Per 100 Poss
	G 	MP 	FG 	FGA 	FG% 	3P 	3PA 	3P% 	2P 	2PA 	2P% 	FT 	FTA 	FT% 	ORB 	DRB 	TRB 	AST 	STL 	BLK 	TOV 	PF 	PTS 	ORtg 	DRtg
AD	34	1096	12.8	25.9	.492	1.1	4.1	.269	11.6	21.8	.535	6.4	8.8	.732	2.7	9.4	12.0	4.6	1.9	2.6	3.2	2.6	33.1	110	103
Julius  68	2538	11.4	24.8	.459	3.0	7.3	.415	8.4	17.5	.478	6.4	7.9	.810	1.7	12.1	13.7	7.8	1.2	0.3	4.5	4.2	32.2	111	107

Advanced
	G 	MP 	TS% 	3PAr 	FTr 	ORB% 	DRB% 	TRB% 	AST% 	STL% 	BLK% 	TOV% 	USG% 	OWS 	DWS 	WS 	WS/48 	OBPM 	DBPM 	BPM 	VORP
AD	34	1096	.555	.160	.340	6.2	21.5	13.9	16.6	1.9	4.8	9.7	29.5	1.2	2.3	3.4	.151	3.0	1.7	4.7	1.9
Julius 	68	2538	.570	.293	.319	3.6	26.0	14.9	26.6	1.2	0.6	13.8	29.1	3.4	4.1	7.4	.141	3.0	0.7	3.7	3.7

Thoughts?

What's it going to take for Randle to get to the next level?

martin wrote:Took a big step individually this past offseason and I hope he keeps at it. But do feel the next step will be more about his experience getting double teams, what to do in pressure situations, and of course the playoffs.

It was a good peak watching the Lakers last night (and quite frankly I thought the Spurs and Miami games help too) and seeing how and what he compares to AD. Lots of role players out there and the 2 were the obvious exceptions.

I like this site to compare 2 or more players for year to year or career, it's useful. http://Stathead.com

Here are stats for this past season: https://stathead.com/tiny/bvw5o

Per Game
	G 	MP 	FG 	FGA 	FG% 	3P 	3PA 	3P% 	2P 	2PA 	2P% 	eFG% 	FT 	FTA 	FT% 	ORB 	DRB 	TRB 	AST 	STL 	BLK 	TOV 	PF 	PTS
AD	34	32.2	8.4	17.1	.492	0.7	2.7	.269	7.7	14.4	.535	.514	4.3	5.8	.732	1.8	6.2	8.0	3.1	1.2	1.7	2.1	1.7	21.9
Julius  68	37.3	8.5	18.5	.459	2.3	5.4	.415	6.3	13.1	.478	.520	4.8	5.9	.810	1.2	9.0	10.3	5.9	0.9	0.3	3.4	3.2	24.0

Per 100 Poss
	G 	MP 	FG 	FGA 	FG% 	3P 	3PA 	3P% 	2P 	2PA 	2P% 	FT 	FTA 	FT% 	ORB 	DRB 	TRB 	AST 	STL 	BLK 	TOV 	PF 	PTS 	ORtg 	DRtg
AD	34	1096	12.8	25.9	.492	1.1	4.1	.269	11.6	21.8	.535	6.4	8.8	.732	2.7	9.4	12.0	4.6	1.9	2.6	3.2	2.6	33.1	110	103
Julius  68	2538	11.4	24.8	.459	3.0	7.3	.415	8.4	17.5	.478	6.4	7.9	.810	1.7	12.1	13.7	7.8	1.2	0.3	4.5	4.2	32.2	111	107

Advanced
	G 	MP 	TS% 	3PAr 	FTr 	ORB% 	DRB% 	TRB% 	AST% 	STL% 	BLK% 	TOV% 	USG% 	OWS 	DWS 	WS 	WS/48 	OBPM 	DBPM 	BPM 	VORP
AD	34	1096	.555	.160	.340	6.2	21.5	13.9	16.6	1.9	4.8	9.7	29.5	1.2	2.3	3.4	.151	3.0	1.7	4.7	1.9
Julius 	68	2538	.570	.293	.319	3.6	26.0	14.9	26.6	1.2	0.6	13.8	29.1	3.4	4.1	7.4	.141	3.0	0.7	3.7	3.7

Thoughts?

What's it going to take for Randle to get to the next level?

It should be noted that this is one of the worse seasons of ADs career and is pretty much a wash for him. I think the next level for Randle is to slow the game even more. I feel he still has moments where he rushes the play instead of letting it develop. Also, it drives me crazy when he jumps in the air without a plan in mind. I know some on here feel that Randle can't continue this level of play and will fall back to earth. I even have some doubts about Randle's ability to continue hitting 40% of his threes. But I think he'll still stay at league average, which will be good enough. The most important improvement he made this season wasn't the three-point shooting, but the passing.

We would need to look at another player who does what Randle does but better. There are only a couple of such players: LeBron and the Joker. Giannis is more finesse and eurostep than post up and muscle you down. I think that the Joker is what Randle's game reminds me most of.

So what does Joker have that Randle don't? IMHO Joker has more passing opportunities because there is actual movement off the ball on that team. Constantly. That's a big chunk of assists right there. Randle gets his assists in 2 ways right now. Both come from double teams. First one is passing to spot up shooter a behind the tree line. Another is a more recent development and that's when he gets doubled with nowhere to pass and someone ( usually RJ) cuts into the middle of the paint to rescue Julius and it's usually an all easy score.

So I guess it's more plays like that. I want to see a screen to free up RJ to receive a pass from Randle.

I also want Randle to get easy scoring opportunities by being the roll man in a PnR. Too bad we don't have a PG that could set him up like that.

To answer the question more specifically, better shot-selection can help. He takes (and makes) a lot of bad shots. Most elite offensive players like Kobe and Melo are good-bad-shot makers. This years version of Randle takes a lot of tough shots; the fade-away behind the backboard shot that looks pretty when it goes in, but is a difficult shot. I think he settles and relies on the jumper a little too much at times and I would like him to get back to playing more bully-ball, which will allow him to take higher % shots and get more free throw attempts.

Randle is averaging 6 free throw attempts per game. Players like LeBron, Giannis and even Zion (all power player) are averaing at least 8 free throw attempts per game...Would like to see Juluis increase his free throw attempts.

BigDaddyG wrote:

Philc1 wrote:He’s already at the next level. No one not even Scott Perry thought 18 months ago Randle could become this

You know who did tho?

Lol

Philc1 wrote:He’s already at the next level. No one not even Scott Perry thought 18 months ago Randle could become this

Seriously he is way better than I thought he would ever be. I would be thrilled if he stayed at this level but this will probably be his career year. He played pretty well for the Pelicans the biggest difference is his passing

knicks1248 wrote:If we don't make some noise in the playoffs will Randle still be viewed the same?

He is basking i the after glow honeymoon after his coming out and staking his claim.
If knicks get swept in round one I’m sure some dumb ass fans will boo and do what they do when disappointed.
What do you think?
Most of us thought the play in for us would have marked a great improvement as most predicted we’d be lottery bound. No doubt your theory that solid coaching would elevate the team and that was a good call. Stand up and take a bow! In your house you get the big piece of chicken!

I saw a clip o Max Kellerman doig the “if knicks fail in playoffs is it all for naught”? Thats talk radio when one guy has to take an point and argue it. If anyone chooses to go there so be it. Their choice.
LIke 2013 season its been a blast. Knicks had a 13 game streak and melo came back from injury to have a great finish to what might been his best NBA season performance wise. This was the year knicks planned a “Funeral” for KG and Pierces Celtic run and failed to put them away. It turned into a tougher series and Knick were were old that year got worn out. I recall both JR and Melo getting very diva like and the season ended poorly. It was disappointing but really few thought the team had much left anyway. This was when JR was clubbing and doing ihis 2am crack head bike rides.
Ths team might just wear itself out. Thibs will wring out all he can and they willing run into walls for him. We’ll be critical about it but the alternative is less success.
some of you will think we should have tanked. Most will celebrate our culture and starphuch others in the NBA will want in on that. We have money, we have picks, and some guys to trade with. A lot of things are possible. Short of RJ and Randle blowing an ACL there is little that will taint this season for me.

1248, what’s your take?