I was 1000% wrong about Thibs. I may still be worried about him burning guys out, but he should be the coach of the year, he has gotten us to a level we haven't seen since perhaps 2012-13. And that was a year we were held together by too many players over 40 with tape and ben gay.

Some of you were clearly wrong about Julius Randle - not me, but even here I had no idea he could play like this. This is maybe the best play we've seen from a star since Amar'e put up 9 straight games of 30+ points back in 2010-11- of course, his back could not sustain that and we were left wanting after that stretch - or at least I think I was.

Does Dolan get any credit for this year? For hiring Leon Rose?

I'm of the opinion that this year actually points out how pathetic Dolan has been as an owner, that he could have gotten in someone with more competence sooner.

Thoughts? Does anyone feel the urge to man up and give Dolan credit?

Let's face it, I like what Rose is doing for now, but I'd say it's perhaps Dolan's smartest move to finally get rid of Mills...but then again, who else but Dolan would keep him on the team so long...

Years of Isiah, Mills, etc... worst run team for 20 years. Knicks got lucky with the Leon/Thibs combo and its that simple. They wanted this thing and Dolan said yes.

Sorry, but saying yes and being right once doesn't atone for decades of incompetence and being an insufferable twat

franco12 wrote:

fishmike wrote:no credit at all.

Years of Isiah, Mills, etc... worst run team for 20 years. Knicks got lucky with the Leon/Thibs combo and its that simple. They wanted this thing and Dolan said yes.

Sorry, but saying yes and being right once doesn't atone for decades of incompetence and being an insufferable twat

Thank you. I knew this would be your response, and it is so sound and reasoned!

That being said there is nothing good about the guy, his history, his business practices, how he runs his company... he's the uber silver spoon with a turd on it

Hopefully he continues to stay out of things and let the BB people run the ship. Thats our best hope

Nalod wrote:

fishmike wrote:no credit at all.

Years of Isiah, Mills, etc... worst run team for 20 years. Knicks got lucky with the Leon/Thibs combo and its that simple. They wanted this thing and Dolan said yes.

Sorry, but saying yes and being right once doesn't atone for decades of incompetence and being an insufferable twat

Luck? Make enough decisions you bound to back into a few good ones. For Dolan to have gotten here he had to let go of Mills. Being the petulant stubborn ass he is that could not have been easy for him.
Its not a question of “forgiveness”, we can’t undo the past. Its why I don’t rally behind the “sell the team” pleas as if that alone changes things. That we have seen Dolan change personal and change process is better. New owner full of themselves with a mountain of debt could be even worse. We have seen new owners come into the league and not change the fortunes of teams and if so it took a while. The dude is SAC. Fertitta. Sarver in PHX about ruined that team for a long time. Harris in PHilly went 6 year deep with Hinkie in “The process” and needed a Colangelo bailout to fix it. JOrdan in Charlotte has not been great. The Wizards have sucked for most of Ted Lenois ownership.
I’m not apologizing for Dolan by any stretch. But I can give him credit where he got blame.

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

franco12 wrote:

fishmike wrote:no credit at all.

Years of Isiah, Mills, etc... worst run team for 20 years. Knicks got lucky with the Leon/Thibs combo and its that simple. They wanted this thing and Dolan said yes.

Sorry, but saying yes and being right once doesn't atone for decades of incompetence and being an insufferable twat

Thank you. I knew this would be your response, and it is so sound and reasoned!

I dont hold an ounce of animosity toward the guy. Life is short who cares, and I went to 5 games of that miserable season last year because it was a fun outing for my teen son and I to just get time to hang.

That being said there is nothing good about the guy, his history, his business practices, how he runs his company... he's the uber silver spoon with a turd on it

Hopefully he continues to stay out of things and let the BB people run the ship. Thats our best hope

Can you really knock him for the people he brought in (other than mills) they all had solid resumes.

What made leon the perfect hire was his connections around the league.

Dolan is hell bent on bring Stars to the garden, so he hired a super agent with no experience, and that super agent surrounded himself around super experience ppl that he has great relationships with. Walsh did similar when he hired woodson and MDA.

I can only knock Dolan For his bratty personality, and his paper thin skin. But he finally got it right, so you have to give him some kind of credit, because it definitely wasn't luck

When you phuck something up over and over again and fall into the right choice its luck.

He made the right call in finally firing Mills but keeping Perry (Mills almost had us trading for D’Angelo Russell and Drummond or something at the deadline), and in hiring Wes and Rose and letting them do whatever they wanted.

smackeddog wrote:For the last decade people have blamed Dolan for everything, so it’s only fair if you believed that, then he gets a huge amount of the credit now. Personally I think he got over-blamed the last few years (he did take a step back when he hired Phil, but the press acted like nothing had changed because they are lazy and had personal beef with him).

He made the right call in finally firing Mills but keeping Perry (Mills almost had us trading for D’Angelo Russell and Drummond or something at the deadline), and in hiring Wes and Rose and letting them do whatever they wanted.

Overblame is what many Knicks fans do. Even when it's going well -- ask Elfrid Payton.

No doubt everything people posted here about Dolan is true. I don't have many positive things to say about him. However, he's never been shy about writing checks to help win and he's never been shy about paying people to leave when change was needed. He may not know HOW to win but I'm convinced he desperately WANTS to win. And for an owner with little sports experience, the people he hired was suppose to take care of that.

Some of the other stuff like how he runs MSG is a different matter.

Welpee wrote:

fishmike wrote:it 100% was lucky. You think Dolan found Leon and recruited him? What was lucky was the job came open at a time when Leon/Thibs were open to coming here and doing it right. Lucky because in most other years those guys would have commitments that made it not an option.

When you phuck something up over and over again and fall into the right choice its luck.

That logic is kinda ridiculous. You can apply that to every non-inside hire ever made. So the Warriors were lucky because the job was available when Steve Kerr was open to be their coach? So KC was lucky because Andy Reid got fired the year they needed to hire a coach? So just ignore that there were a zillion other directions those teams could've gone, but they chose the option that led to championships?

You want me to give Dolan credit for sitting back and doing nothing? OK. Thanks Jimmy!