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BRIGGS
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5/4/2021  6:02 AM
Sometimes others may look sexy and you realize you have a hot wife who can do everything the others can do— but yiu already know her.

Keep team chemistry. Keep our players for 2-3 years. Look for a player who can help starting pg without docking over Rose— cuz rose has 3-4 years left ez. We don’t need to spend 30 mm on a starting pg— we just need a bit of an upgrade from Payton ( although at the right price I’d keep him)
We’re gonna need to draft a center with one of our picks.
I’d like to find 1-2 younger vets in the league than can help enhance without changing or capping out

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Nalod
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5/4/2021  6:57 AM
This a note to yourself?
But......There is a reality were if you want to get better you can’t get all feel good to keep the guys.
Can’t say there is anything wrong with fans liking the team as it is. “Sexy”, or as we say “Starphucing” is a fans prerogative.
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5/4/2021  6:59 AM
+1. These guys on our team have come here to straighten their careers and to establish a value in the league. Their stats have resulted in wins. Without Thibs and without carefully planned team composition from the front office (not going after Drummond is the most recent example of this) things could have been very different for our soon to be free agents.
So the thought process would be is to value their contributions to our turnaround. Just as long as the contracts are reasonable
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5/4/2021  7:11 AM
I’d be happy with mainly replacing guys at the far end of the bench.
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5/4/2021  8:19 AM
I’d still go after Ball.
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5/4/2021  8:34 AM
My my focus would to try and get Ball and Powell in sign and trades and then use cap hold and exceptions to re-sign. Their signing power can exceed the cap if they are clever about ordering and other teams are incentivized to not lose FAs for nothing.

1) Rose (early bird)
2) Noel (non-bird)
3) Bullock (early bird)
4) Burks (non-bird)
5) Gibson (Vet Min)

Ball/Rose/Vildoza
Barrett/IQ
Powell/Burks/Bullock
Randle/Toppin/Knox
Robinson/Noel/Pelle/Gibson

Only thing about this roster is that it leaves zero room for rookie draft picks. They will need to consolidate assets to some degree or draft foreign players in stash moves.

I think it would be a mistake to not make a move on Ball and/or Powell as both are more developed but within the growth cycle of this team and likely ok playing next to Randle. Long wingspans that can shoot decent from 3 (Both have been regressing from 3 lately which is a concern)

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5/4/2021  9:09 AM
totally fool hardy and fools gold. The formula is ride RJ/Randle, protect the rim and lean on your depth. I love guys like Bullock/Burks but the simple truth is those players are easy to acquire and if the roster is loaded with high end talent they will be even easier, because low tier veteran FAs will be happy to come and play here.

Noel is the only Knick FA that is really critical to sign. The other guys are NOT AS GOOD as Conley/Powell/Derozon/Schroder and you would be stupid to waste an opportunity like $60-$70mm whatever in cap space to bring back inferior players than whats currently on the market

Makes ZERO sense.

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5/4/2021  9:18 AM
EwingsGlass wrote:My my focus would to try and get Ball and Powell in sign and trades and then use cap hold and exceptions to re-sign. Their signing power can exceed the cap if they are clever about ordering and other teams are incentivized to not lose FAs for nothing.

1) Rose (early bird)
2) Noel (non-bird)
3) Bullock (early bird)
4) Burks (non-bird)
5) Gibson (Vet Min)

Ball/Rose/Vildoza
Barrett/IQ
Powell/Burks/Bullock
Randle/Toppin/Knox
Robinson/Noel/Pelle/Gibson

Only thing about this roster is that it leaves zero room for rookie draft picks. They will need to consolidate assets to some degree or draft foreign players in stash moves.

I think it would be a mistake to not make a move on Ball and/or Powell as both are more developed but within the growth cycle of this team and likely ok playing next to Randle. Long wingspans that can shoot decent from 3 (Both have been regressing from 3 lately which is a concern)

Like the thought process here. The composition of our roster should not remain static. We have to keep trying to supplement our core ( Randle & RJ ) in search of improvements? I would speculate that there are already plans in place regarding our draft assets. Depending upon how the chips fall.

FA players we need to pursue- Lonzo, Brunson and Powell ( younger burks ).

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5/4/2021  9:35 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/4/2021  2:23 PM
I still want Ball. But I do want to keep team chemistry and continuity intact. So if we need to lose a bit of depth to get him I can live with that. Just as long as we don't do another roster overhaul
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5/4/2021  9:49 AM
BRIGGS wrote:Sometimes others may look sexy and you realize you have a hot wife who can do everything the others can do— but yiu already know her.

Keep team chemistry. Keep our players for 2-3 years. Look for a player who can help starting pg without docking over Rose— cuz rose has 3-4 years left ez. We don’t need to spend 30 mm on a starting pg— we just need a bit of an upgrade from Payton ( although at the right price I’d keep him)
We’re gonna need to draft a center with one of our picks.
I’d like to find 1-2 younger vets in the league than can help enhance without changing or capping out

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Id say Rose has two years left at less than 30 mins. a game at most. He's like Nicole Kidman. Yes, you'd do it, but with the understanding that she's going to come smashing through that wall at any minute. We most definitely need a starting PG, unless you feel IQ is ready to take those minutes. I'm not so sure, though I do believe he deserves more minutes in general. Do the Knicks really need to draft a shooter if Noel comes back? Mitch will be healthy next year. That duo seems to work.
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5/4/2021  9:51 AM
I agree about prioritizing our own guys. I'd like to add 1 player who we feel would bring this team to the next level, while we make sure to bring back the majority of our free agents.
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5/4/2021  10:04 AM
Knixkik wrote:I agree about prioritizing our own guys. I'd like to add 1 player who we feel would bring this team to the next level, while we make sure to bring back the majority of our free agents.
its still a star's league. Getting sentimental about your role players is a great way to get into the luxury tax with a 47 win team and not much chance to improve. You can always buy role players. Always.

Having this cap space AND your core players signed to undervalued deals is the chance to strike and land a player. Even if its just one guy and you spend the rest on Noel, Burks, Bullock, etc

You gotta land a blue chip guy. You cant have $70mm in cap space and bring back the scrap heap guys you signed on 1 year deals because they got you to the 4th seed. Thats pure emotion and poor planning

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5/4/2021  10:07 AM
We need to beat more top teams for me to fully believe we are an elite team that only needs minor tweeks.

Right now Rose and Bullock are the ones that should be a no brainer to resign.

Obviously They believe in these guys judging from the moves at the trade deadline

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5/4/2021  10:08 AM
fishmike wrote:totally fool hardy and fools gold. The formula is ride RJ/Randle, protect the rim and lean on your depth. I love guys like Bullock/Burks but the simple truth is those players are easy to acquire and if the roster is loaded with high end talent they will be even easier, because low tier veteran FAs will be happy to come and play here.

Noel is the only Knick FA that is really critical to sign. The other guys are NOT AS GOOD as Conley/Powell/Derozon/Schroder and you would be stupid to waste an opportunity like $60-$70mm whatever in cap space to bring back inferior players than whats currently on the market

Makes ZERO sense.

Think chemistry and familiarity trump just being able to replace key pieces. The fact is Bullock has been exceptional defensively and has accepted his role on the team. As has Burks. Something that is not easy to predict or find. Can't underestimate the importance of not only adding vets that one thinks would fit a team and system but keeping the ones that actually do. For me, it is absolutely crucial that we finally stick with the pieces that are working. We have been the turnstile of the NBA the last few years and our record has reflected that. The theory behind these one-year deals was to find out which vets fit. Well, these guys fit. Why go after replacements that we do not know will buy in, fit in or work well together, when we already have ones that do. I also think that Burks is one of those fringe guys that are on the brink of next-level stuff.

IF we look at what we all wanted at the beginning of the year, it was more 3pt shooting, good defense and a solid PG. Knicks have shown they are now a very good 3pt shooting team(4th in the NBA and almost 2nd if not for small clicks). They have Rose who is playing exceptional basketball at PG spot and a top-ranked defense. Think its reason enough to make keeping the core roster together a priority. Sure, if we can add a decent PG and another shooter like Powell, I am all in. But again, think this is a roster that you just trim some fat ( Frank, Knox, Pinson, Pelle, and Payton), add a draft asset, and a couple of value FA's to an already well put together core.

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Nalod
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5/4/2021  10:34 AM
Rose is outplaying his contract by a lot. He is making $7.6mm this year. His addidas deal might matter but not really.
Love the guy and the way he has played. What if another team goes double or triple that for a two year deal? He might love Thibs but everyone has a price.
Im sure Drose has matured a lot but business is business.
He has been healthy thus far for us. Can he continue? How is he holding up? Seems fine. He has been incredible for us and more important than we realize I believe.
Dude should be up for "come back player" or even "Most improved". I know you can't do that for a former MVP but this guy has been amazing for us.
I don't think any of us can answer if he can give us true starter minutes.
If Bullock, Mitch, Noel, Bullock, and rose are so beloved and part of the formula can we really dismiss Payton as most fans seem to? I have bought this up before and even Mike Breen discussed it last night.
Not saying we keep him as starter, but he does play a role. LOL!!!!!
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5/4/2021  11:11 AM
They earned it.

But id still look to package both picks for Brogdon if he became available. And still looked to sign Ball as a FA.

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5/4/2021  11:43 AM
newyorknewyork wrote:They earned it.

But id still look to package both picks for Brogdon if he became available. And still looked to sign Ball as a FA.

I haven’t seen much of pacers but apparently a lot of pacer fans believe that he isn’t a true PG either and that he’s being asked to do too much. Not sure what to make of it.

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5/4/2021  11:50 AM
I too want this team to have the same roster next year. I want to see continuity. I even want botg Frank and Knox back in this team unless they find a home elsewhere that can show off their game.the only changes i want in the roster if for them to draft around 2 promising Rookies and an upgrade at point guard over payton. Lastly depending on what happens with Burk and Bullock, if one of them leaves i want a stopgap player at the starting 2 or 3 that can be considered an upgrade over either of Bullock or Burks. I hope they maintain cap flexibility for the summer of 2022.
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5/4/2021  11:51 AM
I don't think we can bring back the same exact team.

I think Rose and Noel are the priorities. Gibson will sign for peanuts. Burks and Bullock are going to want real money and someone is going to give them deals starting at $8-9MM.

We can't keep running Randle and Barrett into the ground, they are playing way too many minutes.

I think you take a run at Ball at the right price or you give Lowry at two you deal for $50MM and resign Rose, try to replace Burks in the draft with our two picks. Frank won't be back

We need improvement from IQ, Knox, Obi and Mitch. Noel has been awesome but what's the number you're comfortable signing him at?

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5/4/2021  12:06 PM
Yes the team has special chemistry and is learning to play together. Payton is the man who doesn't fit - most of the time it looks like he's playing in his own game while the other 4 guys are playing in a totally different game. IF we can keep the others and upgrade him it makes sense.

The tough part of the business Burks/Bullock and Robinson/Noel. Would love to keep all, but some duplication here, and at some point you have to be careful about overpaying your roll players. Bullock has been locked in lately as a 3 pt shooter- consistently giving us like 3-4 a game. Burks was a key contributor before he got sick in terms of another option who can get his own shot. I think it might be easier to find someone with Burks skill set, but its not an easy call at all.

Robinson...durability, fouls...feels like this Noel/Gibson duo is more reliable and even more fearsome defensively. But you hate to give up on a guy that young who still has way more upside.

I’d prioritize our own free agents over others

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