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Thoughts on a Knicks PG target: Jalen Brunson
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Knixkik
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4/19/2021  8:59 AM
Brunson is arguably Dallas' third best player, and is having a great year as 6th man. He can get to the basket and shoots a high percentage when he gets there. He's a good outside shooter, FT shooter, and solid defender. He can play on and off the ball, something he's developed playing alongside Luka. He's only 24 years old.

He's a former Rose client and his father was Rose's first client. His father was also on Thibs' coaching staff previously. Jalen Brunson has a small team option next year and the team can either exercise that or decide to turn him into a RFA, similar options to the Knicks with Mitchell Robinson. He's a good player and probably costs less in the open market than Lonzo Ball. Giving the strong connections to the Knicks, he has to be a likely target. Behind the scenes i'm sure they already have a feel for his future. Let's assume Dallas decides to pick up his cheap option and push the long-term decision off a year. Is he worth giving Dallas one of their first round picks back? It's a steep price, but this could be the Knicks starting PG for the next 10 years. Thoughts?

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4/19/2021  9:11 AM
If the price is between $6-7MM I would sign him. Smart heady guy, he’s a leader.

I think the Knicks should take a serious run at TJ Mconnell. He’s a different type of player, great energy and can get people the ball. We still don’t have a player that can do that. He would be good for Obi & Mitch and the garden would love the guy.

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4/19/2021  9:18 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/19/2021  9:19 AM
MS wrote:If the price is between $6-7MM I would sign him. Smart heady guy, he’s a leader.

I think the Knicks should take a serious run at TJ Mconnell. He’s a different type of player, great energy and can get people the ball. We still don’t have a player that can do that. He would be good for Obi & Mitch and the garden would love the guy.

Given Brunson's age and year he's having, he's probably worth double that. As for McConnell, he simply isn't a threat from the 3pt line and that really hurts. He's basically a scrappier, less offensively gifted version of Payton. For me it's either Ball or Brunson as long term pieces. If Lowry, Dragic or another stopgap comes up, fine. Quickley may still be the guy in a couple of years, although i picture him more as a SG in the future as of right now. If McConnell is a backup, with Rose starting, i guess thats fine too. BUt not as a starter.

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4/19/2021  9:32 AM
Aren't the Mavs on record stating he is "untouchable" unless they are getting Lebron?
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4/19/2021  10:03 AM
EwingsGlass wrote:Aren't the Mavs on record stating he is "untouchable" unless they are getting Lebron?

I'm sure they love him. But he's going to be a free agent and their starting PG is Luka. Brunson grew up in the NY/NJ area and has all of the ties to the Knicks front office and coaching staff. I don't see a reason he doesn't want to go there.

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4/19/2021  10:07 AM
Knixkik wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:Aren't the Mavs on record stating he is "untouchable" unless they are getting Lebron?

I'm sure they love him. But he's going to be a free agent and their starting PG is Luka. Brunson grew up in the NY/NJ area and has all of the ties to the Knicks front office and coaching staff. I don't see a reason he doesn't want to go there.

I like Brunson too. Our only realistic chance to get him was the kp trade

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4/19/2021  10:24 AM
MS wrote:If the price is between $6-7MM I would sign him. Smart heady guy, he’s a leader.

I think the Knicks should take a serious run at TJ Mconnell. He’s a different type of player, great energy and can get people the ball. We still don’t have a player that can do that. He would be good for Obi & Mitch and the garden would love the guy.

Seems to be a well respected player that team mates like. I think of Brunson as solid not spectacular. Undeniably decent numbers and percentages this season, and I do believe that he gets buried behind Luka. £6-7mm is a bargain though.

Could do worse than McConnell but for me he is far too limited athleticism and on the offensive end.

My pick is Lonzo. Decent size, length, superior defender, rebounder. Elite court vision. Continuously improving his jumper. He really has had big performances for NOP this year. His pops ain’t cool though...

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4/19/2021  10:31 AM
My only knock on Brunson is that in the games I’ve seen him play his playmaking hasn’t really stood out to me. For an undersized guard he does really well to get to them rim and his shooting ability is clearly there but are we sure he’s a PG?
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4/19/2021  10:35 AM
He's a fine player but not doing cartwheels over him or TJ

a lot depends on what you're expecting from your pg. The Knicks at the moment have a fair amount of versatility. they have run plays through Randle, RJ, Burks, and pgs.

Randle and RJ in particular do a very good job, not because they're the second coming of Larry Bird or Magic, but because they're better with the ball than their defenders are against it.

So if you want an electric playmaker I'd pass on Jalen and TJ (though i wouldn't cry with either for the right price)

Thibs plays an old Celtics style where the pg (or ballhandler) is supposed to touch the paint. it's another form of spacing forcing the pocket to collapse some. So you want someone who can do that consistently (Rose can still do that)

Great outside shooting would also help. Not sure whether Thibs wants someone with razzle dazzle or a ball hog.

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4/19/2021  10:58 AM
TPercy wrote:My only knock on Brunson is that in the games I’ve seen him play his playmaking hasn’t really stood out to me. For an undersized guard he does really well to get to them rim and his shooting ability is clearly there but are we sure he’s a PG?

With Randle and Barrett here, i don't think the playmaking is a concern. Same thing with Lonzo. I would rather a PG who can get to the hoop, make shots from the outside, and take some pressure off of the leaders, as opposed to a true create-for-others PG. The offense is going to run though Randle regardless.

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4/19/2021  10:59 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:Aren't the Mavs on record stating he is "untouchable" unless they are getting Lebron?

I'm sure they love him. But he's going to be a free agent and their starting PG is Luka. Brunson grew up in the NY/NJ area and has all of the ties to the Knicks front office and coaching staff. I don't see a reason he doesn't want to go there.

I like Brunson too. Our only realistic chance to get him was the kp trade

We obviously should have grabbed him then, but he will be a free agent either this year or next. He has overwhelming ties to the team and is very realistic now.

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4/19/2021  11:07 AM
MLE is just under $10mm... I would offer Brunson $12mm a year. I would rather have him at that number than Ball or Schroeder at 20ish or so they'll get
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4/19/2021  11:29 AM
SupremeCommander wrote:MLE is just under $10mm... I would offer Brunson $12mm a year. I would rather have him at that number than Ball or Schroeder at 20ish or so they'll get

Yes that's what i'm thinking here too.

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4/19/2021  12:14 PM
To be clear, Jalen is in the same position as Mitch. Their teams can decline the 2021-22 option to resign them to a 4 year contract or hold them for next year at the low low price of $1.8M and the players would be UFA in 2022-23.
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4/19/2021  12:15 PM
Is Jalen Brunson exactly what the Knicks are hoping IQ turns out to be?
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4/19/2021  12:23 PM
Knixkik wrote:Brunson is arguably Dallas' third best player, and is having a great year as 6th man. He can get to the basket and shoots a high percentage when he gets there. He's a good outside shooter, FT shooter, and solid defender. He can play on and off the ball, something he's developed playing alongside Luka. He's only 24 years old.

He's a former Rose client and his father was Rose's first client. His father was also on Thibs' coaching staff previously. Jalen Brunson has a small team option next year and the team can either exercise that or decide to turn him into a RFA, similar options to the Knicks with Mitchell Robinson. He's a good player and probably costs less in the open market than Lonzo Ball. Giving the strong connections to the Knicks, he has to be a likely target. Behind the scenes i'm sure they already have a feel for his future. Let's assume Dallas decides to pick up his cheap option and push the long-term decision off a year. Is he worth giving Dallas one of their first round picks back? It's a steep price, but this could be the Knicks starting PG for the next 10 years. Thoughts?

Is he starting level capable?

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4/19/2021  12:32 PM
martin wrote:Is Jalen Brunson exactly what the Knicks are hoping IQ turns out to be?

Quickley is a better shooter/scorer. Brunson offers a more well-rounded skillset. In theory they would compliment each other well, although both are smaller guards.

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4/19/2021  12:32 PM
martin wrote:
Knixkik wrote:Brunson is arguably Dallas' third best player, and is having a great year as 6th man. He can get to the basket and shoots a high percentage when he gets there. He's a good outside shooter, FT shooter, and solid defender. He can play on and off the ball, something he's developed playing alongside Luka. He's only 24 years old.

He's a former Rose client and his father was Rose's first client. His father was also on Thibs' coaching staff previously. Jalen Brunson has a small team option next year and the team can either exercise that or decide to turn him into a RFA, similar options to the Knicks with Mitchell Robinson. He's a good player and probably costs less in the open market than Lonzo Ball. Giving the strong connections to the Knicks, he has to be a likely target. Behind the scenes i'm sure they already have a feel for his future. Let's assume Dallas decides to pick up his cheap option and push the long-term decision off a year. Is he worth giving Dallas one of their first round picks back? It's a steep price, but this could be the Knicks starting PG for the next 10 years. Thoughts?

Is he starting level capable?

He's become an elite 6th man, and probably Dallas' third best player. I think he's definitely starting caliber.

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4/19/2021  12:36 PM
Knixkik wrote:
martin wrote:Is Jalen Brunson exactly what the Knicks are hoping IQ turns out to be?

Quickley is a better shooter/scorer. Brunson offers a more well-rounded skillset. In theory they would compliment each other well, although both are smaller guards.

I don't see that. IQ certainly has his moments at the 3pt line but really that's it. Teams have figured out his one move in the paint and IQ never gets to the rim.

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4/19/2021  12:49 PM
Jalen is a much better playmaker than he has shown in Dallas. The Mavs play Luka-Ball and Jalen doesn't have the ball in his hands to initiate the offense except when Luka goes to the bench.

I saw Brunson dozens of times @ Nova. He's a natural leader and floor general, can get to the hoop at will, has a great pivot step turn around 8 footer in the paint (All of Jay Wrights players have skill-set in the their bags) and hits the 3 @ a 39% clip this year. Would love to get him but I think Dallas will lock-him up.

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