Seriously. Payton can be frustrating to watch, but he is a stopgap. Have to take the good with the bad. Rose is where he should be. Rose is playing this time around like a real PG. Quickley is playing like Rose did his first time in NY. Looking mostly to score. Thats fine. Thats his role, not starting PG.

Quickley can learn plenty from playing with Rose. Seeing how he alternates between setting up teammates, and attacking.

Dont believe he's skilled, or big enough to defend elite PGs. Not as well as Payton. He isnt the answer at PG. Besides, we're trying to make the playoffs. Dont believe starting IQ will give us a better chance to get there. No way Thibs lets up to develop a potential starting PG of the future.

GustavBahler wrote:<snip>
Dont believe he's skilled, or big enough to defend elite PGs. <snip>

No one, I mean no one does a good job consistently defending against these elite PGs (except Frank Ntilikina, if he gets minutes!!!). You just hope to contain them by having the person guarding them be the sacrificial lamb, while trying to stop them from doing damage with passing.

I think he has the basic tools to do it - he has *enough* anticipation, lateral quickness, and strength. The top PGs come in all sorts of shapes and sizes. Some are little speedsters, some are large power bruisers, others are masters of using picks and shifty dribbling to find space. There's no one magical prototypical way to defend them all. His greatest area to improve his defensive skills - he'll be learning NBA-level techniques and tricks to counter all of these different styles - and simply, getting game experience against these types of attacks. And he'll need tutors (like Payton) to help him develop.

On offense, Quickley has a good feel for the pick and roll, plus he runs the plays and gets to his spots on the floor. That's a good start. But at the moment, if the defense covers well, his go-to read is to look for his own shot. He still has a lot of room to grow, but come on, he's a rookie averaging less than 20mpg. (tho this is a good reason why he's averaging less than 20mpg - and usually on the floor with another PG)

I think we could be looking at a very different player going into next season (after an off-season of development/NBA conditioning/studying tape/working with staff/summer league/training camp) - but yeah, I'm done lobbying him for him as PG *this* season.

Vmart wrote:A PG with tunnel vision.

Passing for IQ is definitely 3rd option for him, but then again does it matter seeing Randle controls the ball 85% of the time.

I gotta believe that's starting to take a toll on him, because by the end of games he's gassed Mentally and Physically

Let him develop with time by observing rose or who we pick up this summer.

By the time he is 26 he could be the starting pg

Right now he is our short lightweight combo guard who needs to deliver points for us off the bench.

technomaster wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:<snip>
Dont believe he's skilled, or big enough to defend elite PGs. <snip>

No one, I mean no one does a good job consistently defending against these elite PGs (except Frank Ntilikina, if he gets minutes!!!)....

No one, I mean no one has been more anemic on offense over almost 4 seasons than Frank has. Doubt its even close. Its much too often 4 on 5 on offense. Cant say that about Payton on either side of the ball. Thats why Payton starts and Frank sits. Mistakes and all.

The offense never became anything but brief flashes. Coaches cant afford to count on vets like Frank for anything but situational D. Not sure why this is still debated.

GustavBahler wrote:

technomaster wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:<snip>
Dont believe he's skilled, or big enough to defend elite PGs. <snip>

No one, I mean no one does a good job consistently defending against these elite PGs (except Frank Ntilikina, if he gets minutes!!!)....

No one, I mean no one has been more anemic on offense over almost 4 seasons than Frank has. Doubt its even close. Its much too often 4 on 5 on offense. Cant say that about Payton on either side of the ball. Thats why Payton starts and Frank sits. Mistakes and all.

The offense never became anything but brief flashes. Coaches cant afford to count on vets like Frank for anything but situational D. Not sure why this is still debated.

Would have liked to see ntlikina disrupt luka or kyrie for a minute or two (atkeast try)

technomaster wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:<snip>
Dont believe he's skilled, or big enough to defend elite PGs. <snip>

No one, I mean no one does a good job consistently defending against these elite PGs (except Frank Ntilikina, if he gets minutes!!!). You just hope to contain them by having the person guarding them be the sacrificial lamb, while trying to stop them from doing damage with passing.

I think he has the basic tools to do it - he has *enough* anticipation, lateral quickness, and strength. The top PGs come in all sorts of shapes and sizes. Some are little speedsters, some are large power bruisers, others are masters of using picks and shifty dribbling to find space. There's no one magical prototypical way to defend them all. His greatest area to improve his defensive skills - he'll be learning NBA-level techniques and tricks to counter all of these different styles - and simply, getting game experience against these types of attacks. And he'll need tutors (like Payton) to help him develop.

On offense, Quickley has a good feel for the pick and roll, plus he runs the plays and gets to his spots on the floor. That's a good start. But at the moment, if the defense covers well, his go-to read is to look for his own shot. He still has a lot of room to grow, but come on, he's a rookie averaging less than 20mpg. (tho this is a good reason why he's averaging less than 20mpg - and usually on the floor with another PG)

I think we could be looking at a very different player going into next season (after an off-season of development/NBA conditioning/studying tape/working with staff/summer league/training camp) - but yeah, I'm done lobbying him for him as PG *this* season.

He has a frickin 6'10 wingspan. I don't get why Quickley is painted as to small

Jmpasq wrote:

technomaster wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:<snip>
Dont believe he's skilled, or big enough to defend elite PGs. <snip>

No one, I mean no one does a good job consistently defending against these elite PGs (except Frank Ntilikina, if he gets minutes!!!). You just hope to contain them by having the person guarding them be the sacrificial lamb, while trying to stop them from doing damage with passing.

I think he has the basic tools to do it - he has *enough* anticipation, lateral quickness, and strength. The top PGs come in all sorts of shapes and sizes. Some are little speedsters, some are large power bruisers, others are masters of using picks and shifty dribbling to find space. There's no one magical prototypical way to defend them all. His greatest area to improve his defensive skills - he'll be learning NBA-level techniques and tricks to counter all of these different styles - and simply, getting game experience against these types of attacks. And he'll need tutors (like Payton) to help him develop.

On offense, Quickley has a good feel for the pick and roll, plus he runs the plays and gets to his spots on the floor. That's a good start. But at the moment, if the defense covers well, his go-to read is to look for his own shot. He still has a lot of room to grow, but come on, he's a rookie averaging less than 20mpg. (tho this is a good reason why he's averaging less than 20mpg - and usually on the floor with another PG)

I think we could be looking at a very different player going into next season (after an off-season of development/NBA conditioning/studying tape/working with staff/summer league/training camp) - but yeah, I'm done lobbying him for him as PG *this* season.

He has a frickin 6'10 wingspan. I don't get why Quickley is painted as to small

agreed, and his defense is fine.

i think the issue is right now his energy is needed on the second unit and in the fourth. He needs a longer leash and more minutes.

Knicksfan wrote:These posts are a cautionary tale on reacting to the immediate.

No matter how exciting it is to have Quick and him being impressive in earlier games, truth for this season has settled: he is a good shooter that is still developing in other areas and is inconsistent on them as most rookies are.

So no matter how bad Payton looks, he is the starting PG we have to live with. Rose would be the clear starter 10 years ago, but now he is a weapon on limited playing time. Quick at this point of his development isn’t a PG, much less the one we need to maximize the offense in the starting lineup.

So it is what it is. Whether I’d give Quick more minutes or not, truth is he is where he has to be at this stage of his career, on the bench.

I think if given a chance quickly can probably do as much as payton.