We play selfishly on offense. Outside of occasional pick n rolls, and drive and kicks by Randle ( which we haven't seen much of after the allstar break) its pretty much every man for themselves. Everything is one on one. We don't push the ball and we rarely get any easy baskets. We work almost as hard to score as we do to stop the other team from scoring.

I understand we do not have premier point guard but that's no excuse. An elite offensive coach will build a system around the personnel.

Where are the off ball screens? Back door cuts? Baseline Flex screens? I assume we scouted Quickley before we drafted him. If anyone watched Quickley at Kentucky, Coach Cal ran Quick off flare screens to get him open for 3s. He ran some pin downs for Quickley which allowed him to catch and shoot and positioned him in the corner for kick outs off Hagans or Maxeys dribble drives. So, how does Thibs have Quickley playing? Steady diet of one on one and an occasional pick n roll to shoot 3s off the dribble.I won't bother to touch on how we are not playing to Obi's strength because he only plays 10 mins per game.

We are dead last in assists per game. I get it, a lot of teams play iso ball. Lebron and the Lakers, Luka ball, Kyrie and Harden, Kwahi, and even Rose during his MVP pre injury years. Those guys are in a different stratosphere than Randle.

I give Thibs props for the defense he has us playing. For someone that is so metimeticulous and has us so prepared on the defensive end, its inexcusable how unprepared we look on the offensive end at times.

Think a better question is are the high minute logs now having an affect?

HofstraBBall wrote:Where was this thread when we were the toast of the city three games ago? What happened to "we need a defensive minded coach"? What has been the shooting percentage these last few games? I think it just comes down to guys making shots. It's easy to point to the coach. But when guys are not making shots, no system works. I can't remember a system fans have not criticized when players are not doing their job.

Think a better question is are the high minute logs now having an affect?

Posts like this happened back then, but you would be labeled a pessimist and told to focus on winning.

Appreciating the winning and the job Thibs has done defensively can coexist with being worried about the youth playing and the offense being predictable and almost non-existent.

I’m personally souring up on Thibs as the coach. Yes, he has turned this team into a defensive team and that deserves all the credit. But the weaknesses we knew he had in gigs with Chicago and Minnesota remain. I personally don’t like a coach that is stubborn because you need creativity and willingness to adapt to win in the NBA. In a league that has become more offensive oriented, you can’t expect to win if you always go one-on-one and don’t move the ball. It’s also unfair to favor some players while not trying hard to get others into your game plan.

It’s conflicting because bottom line it should be a cause of celebration we have been so competitive. But I personally have seen too many traits that I dislike from Thibs. Stubbornness is the worst. You have a bench, so use it! You have players with different strengths, so use those! The opposing team has changed its strategy on you, so adapt! Change your rotation if you have to in order to win that game. But it’s very hypocritical to say you are in win-now mode and yet not do anything to adapt in order to actually win.

Knicksfan wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Where was this thread when we were the toast of the city three games ago? What happened to "we need a defensive minded coach"? What has been the shooting percentage these last few games? I think it just comes down to guys making shots. It's easy to point to the coach. But when guys are not making shots, no system works. I can't remember a system fans have not criticized when players are not doing their job.

Think a better question is are the high minute logs now having an affect?

Posts like this happened back then, but you would be labeled a pessimist and told to focus on winning.

Appreciating the winning and the job Thibs has done defensively can coexist with being worried about the youth playing and the offense being predictable and almost non-existent.

I’m personally souring up on Thibs as the coach. Yes, he has turned this team into a defensive team and that deserves all the credit. But the weaknesses we knew he had in gigs with Chicago and Minnesota remain. I personally don’t like a coach that is stubborn because you need creativity and willingness to adapt to win in the NBA. In a league that has become more offensive oriented, you can’t expect to win if you always go one-on-one and don’t move the ball. It’s also unfair to favor some players while not trying hard to get others into your game plan.

It’s conflicting because bottom line it should be a cause of celebration we have been so competitive. But I personally have seen too many traits that I dislike from Thibs. Stubbornness is the worst. You have a bench, so use it! You have players with different strengths, so use those! The opposing team has changed its strategy on you, so adapt! Change your rotation if you have to in order to win that game. But it’s very hypocritical to say you are in win-now mode and yet not do anything to adapt in order to actually win.

You are more than correct with this post. It’s nice to see that someone else understands that Thibs hasn’t really done the best job with the rotations and offense to win games.

I think we will be battling his stubbornness till the end of his time with us. Like you said it’s what we signed up for. Hopefully we will attract enough offensive talent or a more talented offensive minded coach in the future to counter these deficiencies in Thibs.

HofstraBBall wrote:Where was this thread when we were the toast of the city three games ago? What happened to "we need a defensive minded coach"? What has been the shooting percentage these last few games? I think it just comes down to guys making shots. It's easy to point to the coach. But when guys are not making shots, no system works. I can't remember a system fans have not criticized when players are not doing their job.

Think a better question is are the high minute logs now having an affect?

This post is very general and not specific to any my posts, because I've made these statements in numerous game threads throughout the year. Even when we were winning more consistently, Randle-ball wasn't a very good offense...

I've outlined the issues with Thibs offensive sets or lack thereof and the reasons why guys ain't making shots and ain't doing a job that some are not qualified for...Its up to the coach to adjust to his personnel.

Uptown wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Where was this thread when we were the toast of the city three games ago? What happened to "we need a defensive minded coach"? What has been the shooting percentage these last few games? I think it just comes down to guys making shots. It's easy to point to the coach. But when guys are not making shots, no system works. I can't remember a system fans have not criticized when players are not doing their job.

Think a better question is are the high minute logs now having an affect?

This post is very general and not specific to any my posts, because I've made these statements in numerous game threads throughout the year. Even when we were winning more consistently, Randle-ball wasn't a very good offense...

I've outlined the issues with Thibs offensive sets or lack thereof and the reasons why guys ain't making shots and ain't doing a job that some are not qualified for...Its up to the coach to adjust to his personnel.

Agree with some. Offenses can always be improved somewhat. Especially from a fan prospective. At the end of the day if players make shots you win and fans are happy. Fans will always claim there is a better scheme out there but if you look at any team, even the chip winners, there is no magic 10 pass offense they are coming up with. If you watch it's mostly simple sets where guys are making shots at high clicks. What was Mavs offense? Luca dribbles until something happens. Just never bought into coaches being at fault in the NBA. It's a players league and players have to make shots.

ESOMKnicks wrote:Just re-watched the 1994 game 7 vs Indiana. Boy, that was some ugly offense we played even under Riley, who had some pretty decent offensive chops from his time with the Showtime. Some passing around the perimeter, but no one able to shoot a lick or penetrate, just relentless under the boards, fighting for loose balls and slugging it on the defensive end.

It was a totally different league back then. Defensive 3 seconds rules have changed the game. We used to camp Mason, Oak and Ewing in the paint and invite opponents to try to slash

A lot of the Dolan dysfunction of the past 20 years was he never really got that. He kept enlisting idiot puppets like Layden and Isiah to try to build 90’s rosters

Why did we not make a move to improve NOW.........Its so easy other teams seem to do it all the time. And yet the really don’t.
change is not always improvement but we are American and that can do attitude of “at lest we tried” is or thing.