We were up, then Noel sat for most of the 3rd. Butler had a field day, end of story.

Rose missed some late shots as well. Silly to pin this all on Payton.

Knixkik wrote:Thibs reluctance to bench Payton hurts. With Payton in the game, the offense will always be slow and teams can rely on zone. With Rose healthy and Quickley settling into his role, i'd like to see Payton finally get the ax. I would imagine Thibs starting him but only playing him 15 mins per game is sort of him doing that, and he doesn't want to have a negative impact on the locker room. But at some point it's time to cut the cord.

The fact that we made zero moves to upgrade the roster, lets me know this is how it's going to be for the rest of the season, roles are in place.

The knicks can play faster to avoid having to always execute against a zone defense, so that could be on thibs, or maybe the players are hurting a little bit, Rose coming off covid, randles thigh, bullock, payton coming off missed games.

Thibs definitely needs a better game plan against the heat

jrodmc wrote:Yeah, if only Thibs had hit a few more of RJ's threes. If only Thibs hadn't broken Mitch's foot. If only Thibs didn't give birth to and then sign El Cid Satan. If only Thibs hadn't turned Jimmy Butler into a future HOF'er. Oh wait, he actually did do that last one, right?

Stay tuned, BRIGGS' "Thibs won every game" thread is coming to a theatre near you soon!

Yeah. We've been a bad 3rd quarter team for years b4 thibs came here. If we gonna blame thibs for this 1 lost....then we have to give thibs credit for 20 plus wins. When u think of it that way, it's kinda silly to fault thibs.

To me, thibs is a players coach. I didnt realize that until he came here. Now I see why players like playing for him. He doesn't waiver. Hes consistent.....sometimes to a fault.
But with that style, every player understands their role, the time they have in the game....when they sub in the game. Everything is structured...which is a good environment for developing young players. Sometimes we might lose games...but as you see, overall we are a better team because of this structure and consistency....compared to last year.

We need to figure out this zone defense... and thibs may have to adjust his starting lineup....in preparation for zone defense. Payton, RJ, Noel and not shooters. Randle is a post player who can shoot. But he's not a shooter. Bullock is the only shooter in the starting 5, and he's VERY inconsistent. If he's not hitting, it puts pressure on the other non shooters....when he's hitting, we win most games....

I thought we played better as a team when Rose was the starter....and Payton/ quickley come off the bench. Improves our starting unit and gives quickley the green light in the 2nd unit. Allows Payton to play his game. And quickley/Burks will help open the floor doe Payton in that 2nd unit.

BRIGGS wrote:

blkexec wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Yeah, if only Thibs had hit a few more of RJ's threes. If only Thibs hadn't broken Mitch's foot. If only Thibs didn't give birth to and then sign El Cid Satan. If only Thibs hadn't turned Jimmy Butler into a future HOF'er. Oh wait, he actually did do that last one, right?

Stay tuned, BRIGGS' "Thibs won every game" thread is coming to a theatre near you soon!

Yeah. We've been a bad 3rd quarter team for years b4 thibs came here. If we gonna blame thibs for this 1 lost....then we have to give thibs credit for 20 plus wins. When u think of it that way, it's kinda silly to fault thibs.

To me, thibs is a players coach. I didnt realize that until he came here. Now I see why players like playing for him. He doesn't waiver. Hes consistent.....sometimes to a fault.
But with that style, every player understands their role, the time they have in the game....when they sub in the game. Everything is structured...which is a good environment for developing young players. Sometimes we might lose games...but as you see, overall we are a better team because of this structure and consistency....compared to last year.

We need to figure out this zone defense... and thibs may have to adjust his starting lineup....in preparation for zone defense. Payton, RJ, Noel and not shooters. Randle is a post player who can shoot. But he's not a shooter. Bullock is the only shooter in the starting 5, and he's VERY inconsistent. If he's not hitting, it puts pressure on the other non shooters....when he's hitting, we win most games....

I thought we played better as a team when Rose was the starter....and Payton/ quickley come off the bench. Improves our starting unit and gives quickley the green light in the 2nd unit. Allows Payton to play his game. And quickley/Burks will help open the floor doe Payton in that 2nd unit.

Against a zone you need a man who can make a 12 footer/and or passer in the middle and guys who can hit corner 3's. That gives you open foul line jumpers you space the zone out at the corners and that opens up driving lanes from the side hash marks

That's what i thought Burks and Bullock were here for, they are supposed to be our zone busters, we need those 2 to play well in order to win.
Bullock sometimes falls in love with the 3 ball, he went 0-5 on his first 5 shots all from 3, then hits his first mid range shot.

And i don't know why everytime I see Obi, he's 30 feet from the basket.

This isn't a video game. The coach can't punch in a cheat code and win the game for us.

Vmart wrote:Knox and Frank need to get run. This is getting tiring watching players play and then boom out of rotation. I’m still not sure why Toppin is getting minutes over Knox. Knox has shown he can score in the league. And the Knicks needed scoring. Type of game where Thibs need to use his roster.

fishmike wrote:hopefully we are looking into better coaching options asap

There is always room for improvement