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martin
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3/27/2021  12:43 PM
Feel like Bryant knows he is a Associate Head Coach and is in line to take over after Thibs if that is a thing.

WOJ addresses head coaches but it may also apply here to some degree

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3/27/2021  12:45 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/27/2021  3:10 PM
I'm glad Bryant is sticking around, but the Payne news sucks- he is/was crucial to what we're trying to do.
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3/27/2021  2:07 PM

this isn't good

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3/27/2021  7:57 PM
Just saw that Payne is no longer being considered for DePaul. Good, he seems to be doing good for us. DePaul should pursue Rod Strickland, he has been working as an assistant for a few years and id an alumni.
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3/27/2021  11:28 PM
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3/28/2021  12:55 AM
Curious Strickland not in the mix? He been at Kentucky for 5 years but “special assistant”. But he might not want the job? Not everyone wants the gig for a host of reasons.
The Loyola coach, Moser might be logical as he has a support base in the town. All these guys, including Payne might have something something that close scrutiny might be ugly. Head coaches can’t have any negative history even if its way in the past and might not be “guilty”. If you can’t prove innocence and there is a question well public relations have to be impeccable. Maybe Payne had a complaint some time ago that just went away. New hire at a religious based school can’t have that in todays world. Can’t imagine he’d be considered a “Front runner” and made public but who knows why something like this just loses steam. Somtimes its money, length of contract, infrastructure, financial stability of program, etc........
Look how hard its been to get St. John’s back to some form of national relavency after so may years. DePaul has a nice building
Johnny Bryant’s next stop might be as a pro coach either here or back with Jazz. Bryant trajectory is as a pro is still strong.
Glad we have continuity going forward!
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3/28/2021  3:50 PM
Did anyone see this coming?

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3/28/2021  4:17 PM
martin wrote:Did anyone see this coming?

Yeah, he's done the NBA thing and he played for IU. I'm sure he relished the opportunity to settle in one place and also be the guy who got Indiana on the right path.

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3/28/2021  4:32 PM
Saw this a few days ago. Isiah wanted the gig once upon a time but never got it. He got the chops as a coach but the recruiting thing is never easy. He has the cred and link to the glory days. Thats a storied program and tough gig. Hope he gets it and does well!
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3/29/2021  3:42 AM
Very ironic how the Knicks get slammed for being a dysfunctional organization, with poor leadership and inconsistent coaching, yet when the push comes to shove it is our coaching staff that people end up valuing and trying to raid.
Good luck to Mike.
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3/29/2021  8:24 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/29/2021  8:26 AM
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I'm surprised Indiana went with a 63 year old coach who doesn't have any coaching experience on the college level. Not taking anything away from Woodson; he's been a good NBA head coach and I'm sure he will be fine on the practice court and during games, but a lot of your success in college begins and ends with recruiting. Recruiting is a tireless and ruthless job; hopefully he hires young, up and coming assistant coaches with high school and AAU connections in the midwest. He would be best served grabbing an AAU or High school coach from the Indiana area.

The fact that Indiana hired Woodson tells me that the Indy job isn't as coveted as they think it should be. Surprised they couldn't get a young, up an coming college coach to take that job. Not only does the tournament increase the draft stock of players, but it does the same with coaching. Andy Enfield had a great run in the tournament at Florida Gulf Coast back in 2013 which helped him land the USC job. But like I said, maybe none of the coaches they identified wanted the job....

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3/29/2021  8:27 AM
Nalod wrote:Curious Strickland not in the mix? He been at Kentucky for 5 years but “special assistant”. But he might not want the job? Not everyone wants the gig for a host of reasons.
The Loyola coach, Moser might be logical as he has a support base in the town. All these guys, including Payne might have something something that close scrutiny might be ugly. Head coaches can’t have any negative history even if its way in the past and might not be “guilty”. If you can’t prove innocence and there is a question well public relations have to be impeccable. Maybe Payne had a complaint some time ago that just went away. New hire at a religious based school can’t have that in todays world. Can’t imagine he’d be considered a “Front runner” and made public but who knows why something like this just loses steam. Somtimes its money, length of contract, infrastructure, financial stability of program, etc........
Look how hard its been to get St. John’s back to some form of national relavency after so may years. DePaul has a nice building
Johnny Bryant’s next stop might be as a pro coach either here or back with Jazz. Bryant trajectory is as a pro is still strong.
Glad we have continuity going forward!

Hoping Bryant slides over one seat once Thibs is done...Feel like we hit the jackpot with him.

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Uptown wrote:
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I'm surprised Indiana went with a 63 year old coach who doesn't have any coaching experience on the college level. Not taking anything away from Woodson; he's been a good NBA head coach and I'm sure he will be fine on the practice court and during games, but a lot of your success in college begins and ends with recruiting. Recruiting is a tireless and ruthless job; hopefully he hires young, up and coming assistant coaches with high school and AAU connections in the midwest. He would be best served grabbing an AAU or High school coach from the Indiana area.

The fact that Indiana hired Woodson tells me that the Indy job isn't as coveted as they think it should be. Surprised they couldn't get a young, up an coming college coach to take that job. Not only does the tournament increase the draft stock of players, but it does the same with coaching. Andy Enfield had a great run in the tournament at Florida Gulf Coast back in 2013 which helped him land the USC job. But like I said, maybe none of the coaches they identified wanted the job....

You bring up good points. Indy has gone that route also. The college game is changing. Top recruits are either one and done or now can go Gleague. Up and comers don’t carry the cred of alumni and to some extent players with NBA aspirations. Woodson can go into a recruits living room and talk about the glory days of IU, and this his NBA cred help players get to the big show. Woodson has some very good credentials having either been head coach or assistant with some heavy hitters. Maybe WWW an help both Kentucky and Indiana?
I suppose there is lot to read about in this hiring but I only follow knicks for the most part.
Maybe Woodson has a line on some recruits and its a package. Getting sons of former player is also a good catch!!!

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3/29/2021  10:52 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/29/2021  10:53 AM
martin wrote:

Addition by subtraction

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ccch wrote:
martin wrote:

Addition by subtraction

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Uptown wrote:
martin wrote:

I'm surprised Indiana went with a 63 year old coach who doesn't have any coaching experience on the college level. Not taking anything away from Woodson; he's been a good NBA head coach and I'm sure he will be fine on the practice court and during games, but a lot of your success in college begins and ends with recruiting. Recruiting is a tireless and ruthless job; hopefully he hires young, up and coming assistant coaches with high school and AAU connections in the midwest. He would be best served grabbing an AAU or High school coach from the Indiana area.

The fact that Indiana hired Woodson tells me that the Indy job isn't as coveted as they think it should be. Surprised they couldn't get a young, up an coming college coach to take that job. Not only does the tournament increase the draft stock of players, but it does the same with coaching. Andy Enfield had a great run in the tournament at Florida Gulf Coast back in 2013 which helped him land the USC job. But like I said, maybe none of the coaches they identified wanted the job....

I wonder if it is as tireless and ruthless as an NBA assistant job or even in the same territory?

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3/29/2021  1:24 PM
martin wrote:
Uptown wrote:
martin wrote:

I'm surprised Indiana went with a 63 year old coach who doesn't have any coaching experience on the college level. Not taking anything away from Woodson; he's been a good NBA head coach and I'm sure he will be fine on the practice court and during games, but a lot of your success in college begins and ends with recruiting. Recruiting is a tireless and ruthless job; hopefully he hires young, up and coming assistant coaches with high school and AAU connections in the midwest. He would be best served grabbing an AAU or High school coach from the Indiana area.

The fact that Indiana hired Woodson tells me that the Indy job isn't as coveted as they think it should be. Surprised they couldn't get a young, up an coming college coach to take that job. Not only does the tournament increase the draft stock of players, but it does the same with coaching. Andy Enfield had a great run in the tournament at Florida Gulf Coast back in 2013 which helped him land the USC job. But like I said, maybe none of the coaches they identified wanted the job....

I wonder if it is as tireless and ruthless as an NBA assistant job or even in the same territory?


Recruiting at the highest level is ruthless. Recruiters are digging up every bit of dirt on their competitors during their presentations to players. Their likely telling half truths to one recruit while going after a higher ranking guy who plays the same position. Then there's the under the table compensation packages. Plus, Indiana has lost it's luster, so they have to dig in and try to find under the radar guys. That means more travel. Everything is out in the open with the NBA. Advanced scouts pretty much have the same information that their counterparts on other teams have.
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BigDaddyG wrote:
martin wrote:
Uptown wrote:
martin wrote:

I'm surprised Indiana went with a 63 year old coach who doesn't have any coaching experience on the college level. Not taking anything away from Woodson; he's been a good NBA head coach and I'm sure he will be fine on the practice court and during games, but a lot of your success in college begins and ends with recruiting. Recruiting is a tireless and ruthless job; hopefully he hires young, up and coming assistant coaches with high school and AAU connections in the midwest. He would be best served grabbing an AAU or High school coach from the Indiana area.

The fact that Indiana hired Woodson tells me that the Indy job isn't as coveted as they think it should be. Surprised they couldn't get a young, up an coming college coach to take that job. Not only does the tournament increase the draft stock of players, but it does the same with coaching. Andy Enfield had a great run in the tournament at Florida Gulf Coast back in 2013 which helped him land the USC job. But like I said, maybe none of the coaches they identified wanted the job....

I wonder if it is as tireless and ruthless as an NBA assistant job or even in the same territory?


Recruiting at the highest level is ruthless. Recruiters are digging up every bit of dirt on their competitors during their presentations to players. Their likely telling half truths to one recruit while going after a higher ranking guy who plays the same position. Then there's the under the table compensation packages. Plus, Indiana has lost it's luster, so they have to dig in and try to find under the radar guys. That means more travel. Everything is out in the open with the NBA. Advanced scouts pretty much have the same information that their counterparts on other teams have.

I get that it's a different animal but that still doesn't speak to anything more difficult than life as an NBA assitant

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