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How do you guys feel if the big price of this trade deadline is Andre Drummond?
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Jimbo5
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3/25/2021  12:52 AM
I dont want him as a knick. Imagine a line up of Drummond with Payton as the starter? The only reports coming out as the trade deadline nears is knicks are the contenders to trade for Drummond. I bet there is a chance both Randle and RJ will regress with Drummond in the lineup plus the team's defensive rating will go down as well.
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3/25/2021  1:14 AM
Jimbo5 wrote:I dont want him as a knick. Imagine a line up of Drummond with Payton as the starter? The only reports coming out as the trade deadline nears is knicks are the contenders to trade for Drummond. I bet there is a chance both Randle and RJ will regress with Drummond in the lineup plus the team's defensive rating will go down as well.

Cleveland fans aren't sad to see him go and Detroit gave him up for a pair of Ewing's sweaty knee braces. Maybe Thibs can change him😏

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3/25/2021  1:34 AM
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Jimbo5 wrote:I dont want him as a knick. Imagine a line up of Drummond with Payton as the starter? The only reports coming out as the trade deadline nears is knicks are the contenders to trade for Drummond. I bet there is a chance both Randle and RJ will regress with Drummond in the lineup plus the team's defensive rating will go down as well.

Cleveland fans aren't sad to see him go and Detroit gave him up for a pair of Ewing's sweaty knee braces. Maybe Thibs can change him😏

Are the knicks so desperate to get a star in the roster that they are willing to dive into some other team's trash? Maybe this is their way of tanking the season?

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3/25/2021  1:40 AM
Dont believe Drummond is worth giving up Mitch. Likely trade piece. Feels like a typical Knicks move. His production doesnt seem to be appreciated on other squads..at all.

If Mitch is traded, hope its for Lonzo. Doubt he would have a problem playing in his own backyard, with Zion and Ingram.

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3/25/2021  4:39 AM
GustavBahler wrote:Dont believe Drummond is worth giving up Mitch. Likely trade piece. Feels like a typical Knicks move. His production doesnt seem to be appreciated on other squads..at all.

If Mitch is traded, hope its for Lonzo. Doubt he would have a problem playing in his own backyard, with Zion and Ingram.

No way in hell do I trade mitch

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3/25/2021  6:00 AM
Landing Drummond would be depressing for me- it means we'd either be moving Mitch or would be p-ing off Mitch (Or Noel) and would mess with chemistry, and I don't see the fit. Our front court is fine (a backup PF would be nice). We need shooting and a PG upgrade- Drummond does neither.

I'm presuming it's WW Wes who wants Drummond, and is pacing up and down muttering "Drummond.. got to get Drummond" constantly

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3/25/2021  6:14 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/25/2021  6:16 AM
Worryingly, Macri posted this Berman tweet in which Berman said "don't count on" the Knicks landing Drummond, but then later deleted it:

and replaced it with "don't count them out":

Maybe we sign him to a multi year deal using this years cap space to plumpen his pay while reducing the salary hit next season (so essentially instead of signing with the lakers for the minimum this year and going for a two year $15mil per year contract in the offseason with another team, he signs a deal that starts at $10mil this remaining season with us, plus $10mil per for the following 2 seasons), then maybe becomes a traceable asset? Would that be the thinking behind such an awful move? though I don't know if his salary is pro rated with this season almost being up- anyone know the rules for signing a FA to big money midseason? has it ever happened before?

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3/25/2021  7:03 AM
smackeddog wrote:Worryingly, Macri posted this Berman tweet in which Berman said "don't count on" the Knicks landing Drummond, but then later deleted it:

and replaced it with "don't count them out":

Maybe we sign him to a multi year deal using this years cap space to plumpen his pay while reducing the salary hit next season (so essentially instead of signing with the lakers for the minimum this year and going for a two year $15mil per year contract in the offseason with another team, he signs a deal that starts at $10mil this remaining season with us, plus $10mil per for the following 2 seasons), then maybe becomes a traceable asset? Would that be the thinking behind such an awful move? though I don't know if his salary is pro rated with this season almost being up- anyone know the rules for signing a FA to big money midseason? has it ever happened before?

Your talking extension.
Woj basically is talking that subject about Lowrey and where he’d go they have to agree on extension.
Not sure when players can sign them.

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3/25/2021  11:18 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/25/2021  12:15 PM
Interesting article on rebounding. Didnt know Cavs have benched Drummond since February.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/.amp/nba/2021/03/25/andre-drummond-rebounding-daily-cover

While he’s had a handful of bright spots—a pair of massive steals in an overtime win against Detroit, and a game-sealing assist late versus Memphis—it’s been a rough year for Drummond, all things considered.

He ranks as the NBA’s worst finisher at the rim and is shooting a career-worst 47.4% from the field, a pair of tough realities when you’re a soon-to-be free agent that’s earning almost $29 million for the season.

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3/25/2021  12:43 PM
GustavBahler wrote:Interesting article on rebounding. Didnt know Cavs have benched Drummond since February.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/.amp/nba/2021/03/25/andre-drummond-rebounding-daily-cover

While he’s had a handful of bright spots—a pair of massive steals in an overtime win against Detroit, and a game-sealing assist late versus Memphis—it’s been a rough year for Drummond, all things considered.

He ranks as the NBA’s worst finisher at the rim and is shooting a career-worst 47.4% from the field, a pair of tough realities when you’re a soon-to-be free agent that’s earning almost $29 million for the season.


Drummond is having a down year because he is playing in Cleveland which is not going anywhere. In short he has nothing to play for and is not fully engaged. The moment he comes to the Knicks where Thibs gets a hold of him and he has something to play for, you will see a completely Drummond.
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3/25/2021  12:46 PM
awe1028 wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Interesting article on rebounding. Didnt know Cavs have benched Drummond since February.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/.amp/nba/2021/03/25/andre-drummond-rebounding-daily-cover

While he’s had a handful of bright spots—a pair of massive steals in an overtime win against Detroit, and a game-sealing assist late versus Memphis—it’s been a rough year for Drummond, all things considered.

He ranks as the NBA’s worst finisher at the rim and is shooting a career-worst 47.4% from the field, a pair of tough realities when you’re a soon-to-be free agent that’s earning almost $29 million for the season.


Drummond is having a down year because he is playing in Cleveland which is not going anywhere. In short he has nothing to play for and is not fully engaged. The moment he comes to the Knicks where Thibs gets a hold of him and he has something to play for, you will see a completely Drummond.

Maybe...but is it worth risking chemistry hoping he'll pull a complete 180?

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3/25/2021  12:49 PM
MaTT4281 wrote:
awe1028 wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Interesting article on rebounding. Didnt know Cavs have benched Drummond since February.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/.amp/nba/2021/03/25/andre-drummond-rebounding-daily-cover

While he’s had a handful of bright spots—a pair of massive steals in an overtime win against Detroit, and a game-sealing assist late versus Memphis—it’s been a rough year for Drummond, all things considered.

He ranks as the NBA’s worst finisher at the rim and is shooting a career-worst 47.4% from the field, a pair of tough realities when you’re a soon-to-be free agent that’s earning almost $29 million for the season.


Drummond is having a down year because he is playing in Cleveland which is not going anywhere. In short he has nothing to play for and is not fully engaged. The moment he comes to the Knicks where Thibs gets a hold of him and he has something to play for, you will see a completely Drummond.

Maybe...but is it worth risking chemistry hoping he'll pull a complete 180?


Yes. If the Knicks get the Drummond I think they will get.
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3/25/2021  12:52 PM
awe1028 wrote:
MaTT4281 wrote:
awe1028 wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Interesting article on rebounding. Didnt know Cavs have benched Drummond since February.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/.amp/nba/2021/03/25/andre-drummond-rebounding-daily-cover

While he’s had a handful of bright spots—a pair of massive steals in an overtime win against Detroit, and a game-sealing assist late versus Memphis—it’s been a rough year for Drummond, all things considered.

He ranks as the NBA’s worst finisher at the rim and is shooting a career-worst 47.4% from the field, a pair of tough realities when you’re a soon-to-be free agent that’s earning almost $29 million for the season.


Drummond is having a down year because he is playing in Cleveland which is not going anywhere. In short he has nothing to play for and is not fully engaged. The moment he comes to the Knicks where Thibs gets a hold of him and he has something to play for, you will see a completely Drummond.

Maybe...but is it worth risking chemistry hoping he'll pull a complete 180?


Yes. If the Knicks get the Drummond I think they will get.

Even best case scenario - not ready to trade for someone who'll quit on the team. God forbid we go on a losing streak...

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3/25/2021  12:56 PM
MaTT4281 wrote:
awe1028 wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Interesting article on rebounding. Didnt know Cavs have benched Drummond since February.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/.amp/nba/2021/03/25/andre-drummond-rebounding-daily-cover

While he’s had a handful of bright spots—a pair of massive steals in an overtime win against Detroit, and a game-sealing assist late versus Memphis—it’s been a rough year for Drummond, all things considered.

He ranks as the NBA’s worst finisher at the rim and is shooting a career-worst 47.4% from the field, a pair of tough realities when you’re a soon-to-be free agent that’s earning almost $29 million for the season.


Drummond is having a down year because he is playing in Cleveland which is not going anywhere. In short he has nothing to play for and is not fully engaged. The moment he comes to the Knicks where Thibs gets a hold of him and he has something to play for, you will see a completely Drummond.

Maybe...but is it worth risking chemistry hoping he'll pull a complete 180?


Drummond has been a low percentage scorer and high turnover player in Iso for most of his career. He has plenty to play for since he's looking for a new contract, so that's not really a valid excuse. My question is what would a full 180 look like from Drummond? Does he become a lower usage, higher efficiency big in the paint? If that's the case, how is that different from what Mitch and Noel provide?
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3/25/2021  1:10 PM
Only way I wouldn't want to vomit would be if the Cavs gave us a pick to take him...
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3/25/2021  1:14 PM
jskinny35 wrote:Only way I wouldn't want to vomit would be if the Cavs gave us a pick to take him...

Yeah, I'm pretty sure the Cavs are starting these rumors to try and drive up value. But even the most inept front offices can see Clev has no leverage. Now...Thibs was a driving force of one of the most inept front office in recent memory. Not taking away from his coaching...but the Knicks FO might be willing to throw Thibs a bone to shut him the hell up

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3/25/2021  1:15 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
jskinny35 wrote:Only way I wouldn't want to vomit would be if the Cavs gave us a pick to take him...

Yeah, I'm pretty sure the Cavs are starting these rumors to try and drive up value. But even the most inept front offices can see Clev has no leverage. Now...Thibs was a driving force of one of the most inept front office in recent memory. Not taking away from his coaching...but the Knicks FO might be willing to throw Thibs a bone to shut him the hell up

FO already bone threw: ROSE

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3/25/2021  1:19 PM
The Lakers and Nets recognize what a fully engaged Drummond would mean to their playoff success. I won't deny there is some risk in acquiring him but people are forgetting the X Factor that is Thibs and his effect on Drummond.
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3/25/2021  1:20 PM
martin wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
jskinny35 wrote:Only way I wouldn't want to vomit would be if the Cavs gave us a pick to take him...

Yeah, I'm pretty sure the Cavs are starting these rumors to try and drive up value. But even the most inept front offices can see Clev has no leverage. Now...Thibs was a driving force of one of the most inept front office in recent memory. Not taking away from his coaching...but the Knicks FO might be willing to throw Thibs a bone to shut him the hell up

FO already bone threw: ROSE


You've seen Thibs on the sidelines. You think that was enough to shut him up hahahaha
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3/25/2021  1:53 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/25/2021  2:55 PM
So on one hand:
* Drummond would jump in and provide us with another beefy inside player. At his best, he's an extremely dominant garbage player/physical presence/elite rebounder.
* another "mentor" for Robinson

On the other hand:
* Mitch/Noel have been an excellent center tandem - and overall, we're getting pretty good production from them.
* Risk to team chemistry
* The NBA obviously favors quick mobile centers. Drummond (280lbs+!) may ultimately be a situational player in the modern NBA. He's more of a situational guy - you save him for the rare instance you want to create a physical disadvantage to opponents OR the rare moments you need to match up physically with a dominant big (how many killer physical centers are there in the east anyway... Embiid in Philly, Vucevic in Orlando?

If it comes down to it, I like what he brings to the table more than Obi/Taj - and he'd be reasonable insurance against injury to Randle (our only "beefy" player), so certainly he'd make us a better team this year.

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How do you guys feel if the big price of this trade deadline is Andre Drummond?

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