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jskinny35
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3/17/2021  5:42 PM
A) Keep taking our lumps and hope to add small pieces via the draft and trading expendables for role players (eg Knox)

B) Swing for the fences/gut our roster/picks (bye RJ, Top, Mitch, picks) and go for Big Name Player to make Randle our 1B guy (eg Beal)

C) Focus on Randle and part with RJ (and Toppin) for a better outside shooting wing to complement Randle?

D) Part with Mitch and/or Toppin to acquire more supportive talent around Randle and RJ

E) Trade Randle for a similarly productive player or chance at high draft pick and see what Toppin has to offer

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3/17/2021  5:56 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/17/2021  5:56 PM
They look like they want to do something but not if it ****s them over in the future.

Oladipo could be the move and could be a PG in Thibs system.

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3/17/2021  6:03 PM
Yep - it seems they do want to make the playoffs at almost any cost so concerned they may do something more short-sighted. We can all agree we need help on the wing/shooter, PG, etc... like the idea of Lonzo Ball if he's a FA. Not a Buddy Hield fan but would rather they go that direction (cheap) vs gutting things for a Beal-caliber player. Not sure why Drummond's name keeps coming up when we have Noel and Mitch and so many other positions of greater need.
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3/17/2021  8:49 PM
As the trade deadline draws closer and the countless of "star" players being rumored to be connected to the knicks might be starting to fade. Ian bagley thinks that the FO will likely be holding off trading for a star. As I mentioned before, i think this team is just 2 players away from making real noise in the NBA.(starting PG, a star-power wing). Its no surprise that reports are coming out that Lonzo will seriously consider the Knicks in free agency. Is there a way the front office can crunch the numbers and sign Lonzo to a toxic contract in the Pelicans eyes and is still a reasonable one for the Knicks?

What is the possibility of hitting 2 birds with one stone in next year's free agency? If they can snag Lonzo and have a young starting lineup of Mitch, Randle, ____, RJ, Lonzo is there a possibility of convincing Kawhi not to exercise his player option and jump ship to the knicks? Will the cap space work if we also need to extend mitch?

We can use the 2 first rounders and the Detroit pick to solidify the bench.

The wiser thing to do is to make small moves before the deadline to get a wing to help with a playoff push and weaponize the remaining cap space for some draft capital. Maybe we can just trade for Redick for some shooting. Who are the other low cost shooters that could make sense?

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3/17/2021  9:39 PM
The plan should be to

1. Sign Andre Drummond once he is bought out. This means the Knicks will get him without giving up any players or picks. Note: His numbers are down this year but this guy would be an absolute beast once thibs gets a hold of him

2. In the off season sign Lonzo Ball to an overpay so New Orleans won't match. Maybe 3 to 4 years at 18 to 20 million

3. With Drummond aboard the Knicks can now use a package centered around Mitch to move up in to the lotto. With the higher pick the Knicks select Corey Kispert. Kispert is the ideal draft pick because he is the sniper the Knicks so desperately need.

This gives us the following line up

Andre Drummond (Mark my words Drummond will be a beast under Thibs)

Julius Randle (Knicks finally have their star and best of all he wants to be in NY)

Corey Kispert (As mentioned before Kispert is the sniper the Knicks desperately Need)

RJ Barrett (Finally a Draft Pick that is working out)

Lonzo Ball (Knicks finally get a PG)

Immanuel Quickley (Super Sixth Man off the bench)

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3/17/2021  9:41 PM
Dude.
We just reached mediocrity. Enjoy the moment.
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3/18/2021  5:43 AM
jskinny35 wrote:A) Keep taking our lumps and hope to add small pieces via the draft and trading expendables for role players (eg Knox)

B) Swing for the fences/gut our roster/picks (bye RJ, Top, Mitch, picks) and go for Big Name Player to make Randle our 1B guy (eg Beal)

C) Focus on Randle and part with RJ (and Toppin) for a better outside shooting wing to complement Randle?

D) Part with Mitch and/or Toppin to acquire more supportive talent around Randle and RJ

E) Trade Randle for a similarly productive player or chance at high draft pick and see what Toppin has to offer


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3/18/2021  7:15 AM
We have gone from cellar dweller to Mediocrity in half a season.
They say we can’t rebuild in NY? Once fans see the glass is half full they see it it as half empty and get thirstier.
We lose winnable games we become “Disgusted” when we used to get blown out.
We label rookies “bust” after a half a season.
LIke little kids “We there yet” need a path to visible otherwise we get anxiety.
If a fan can’t see it, it can’t happen. Fans are also smarter than the coaches and FO because we can second guess things.
Two straight losses to top of the division teams and the room smells with discontent.
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3/18/2021  7:42 AM
Nalod wrote:We have gone from cellar dweller to Mediocrity in half a season.
They say we can’t rebuild in NY? Once fans see the glass is half full they see it it as half empty and get thirstier.
We lose winnable games we become “Disgusted” when we used to get blown out.
We label rookies “bust” after a half a season.
LIke little kids “We there yet” need a path to visible otherwise we get anxiety.
If a fan can’t see it, it can’t happen. Fans are also smarter than the coaches and FO because we can second guess things.
Two straight losses to top of the division teams and the room smells with discontent.

Yup. People just can't enjoy the ride. I am loving this team. Blood, sweat and tears. I wanted to JVG first then Thibs. I am glad we got one of them.

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3/18/2021  8:05 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/18/2021  8:24 AM
Nalod wrote:We have gone from cellar dweller to Mediocrity in half a season.
They say we can’t rebuild in NY? Once fans see the glass is half full they see it it as half empty and get thirstier.
We lose winnable games we become “Disgusted” when we used to get blown out.
We label rookies “bust” after a half a season.
LIke little kids “We there yet” need a path to visible otherwise we get anxiety.
If a fan can’t see it, it can’t happen. Fans are also smarter than the coaches and FO because we can second guess things.
Two straight losses to top of the division teams and the room smells with discontent.


I’m satisfied. Of course I want excellence. I want to win every game. But we are realistically right where I wanted to be starting the season. We are not even half way though the official rebuild which started with drafting ntlikina, trading kp and clearing cap space.

If they do this the right way we can be good until 2030 +


If they rush and skip steps we can be good for 3-4 years

Just my personal take

* ntlikina not extending will be the first failure of the rebuild. Although signed in Phil Jackson era


* The next failure of the official rebuild could be Knox if he doesn’t figure a complete game out this summer. ( I do feel knox has a skill set that will keep him employed in this league though. Knox would be great on a super team. Just stand somewhere and make your shot when it finds you)

Toppin gets 2 years before his potential is classified.

Barret and iq look like pro nba ballers. Ceiling unknown (tbd)


If we are still building a bench through a draft we have reached a critical stage where we cannot afford a bust anymore. (Whoever we draft must minimally be a good professional rotational piece.

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3/18/2021  8:06 AM
The plan should be very simple. You can’t make a contender overnight unless of course you have a lot of space on the cap and a few top free agents want to come. Space is not a problem here because all our contracts are "movable", but there are simply no free agents who are game changers.

We are definitely not even in the phase to become a contender with one trade, so it's clear we must continue to build a team. I have nothing against some minor trade that will not disrupt the core of the team, and then we come to the draft where we have 2 picks in the first round. It would be a great job to find a solid starter and another rotational player there. We will also have space on the cap and the team needs to be further strengthened. Then we can look further. But the most important thing is not to skip steps.

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3/18/2021  8:24 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/18/2021  8:32 AM
I’m satisfied. Of course I want excellence. I want to win every game. But we are realistically right where I wanted to be starting the season. We are not even half way though the official rebuild which started with drafting ntlikina, trading kp and clearing cap space.
If they do this the right way we can be good until 2030 +

If they rush and skip steps we can be good for 3-4 years
Just my personal take
* ntlikina not extending will be the first failure of the rebuild. Although signed in Phil Jackson era

* The next failure of the official rebuild could be Knox if he doesn’t figure a complete game out this summer. ( I do feel knox has a skill set that will keep him employed in this league though. Knox would be great on a super team. Just stand somewhere and make your shot when it finds you)
Toppin gets 2 years before his potential is classified.
Barret and iq look like pro nba ballers. Ceiling unknown (tbd)

If we are still building a bench through a draft we have reached a critical stage where we cannot afford a bust anymore. (Whoever we draft must minimally be a good professional rotational piece.

Draft weapons this draft. These players have extremely low bust potential picks 10-20

Corey kispert SF
Day-Ron sharpe C
Ayo dosunmo CG
Jaden springer sg
Cam Thomas
Jared butler
Davion mitchel
Ibou badji C


My favorite weapon would be kispert and one of the Combo guards on the list.

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3/18/2021  8:42 AM
awe1028 wrote:The plan should be to

1. Sign Andre Drummond once he is bought out. This means the Knicks will get him without giving up any players or picks. Note: His numbers are down this year but this guy would be an absolute beast once thibs gets a hold of him

2. In the off season sign Lonzo Ball to an overpay so New Orleans won't match. Maybe 3 to 4 years at 18 to 20 million

3. With Drummond aboard the Knicks can now use a package centered around Mitch to move up in to the lotto. With the higher pick the Knicks select Corey Kispert. Kispert is the ideal draft pick because he is the sniper the Knicks so desperately need.

This gives us the following line up

Andre Drummond (Mark my words Drummond will be a beast under Thibs)

Julius Randle (Knicks finally have their star and best of all he wants to be in NY)

Corey Kispert (As mentioned before Kispert is the sniper the Knicks desperately Need)

RJ Barrett (Finally a Draft Pick that is working out)

Lonzo Ball (Knicks finally get a PG)

Immanuel Quickley (Super Sixth Man off the bench)

This is all very possible.

Would mostly matter the type of contracts handed out to Drummond & Ball.

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3/18/2021  8:42 AM
xblvdels3 wrote:I’m satisfied. Of course I want excellence. I want to win every game. But we are realistically right where I wanted to be starting the season. We are not even half way though the official rebuild which started with drafting ntlikina, trading kp and clearing cap space.
If they do this the right way we can be good until 2030 +

If they rush and skip steps we can be good for 3-4 years
Just my personal take
* ntlikina not extending will be the first failure of the rebuild. Although signed in Phil Jackson era

* The next failure of the official rebuild could be Knox if he doesn’t figure a complete game out this summer. ( I do feel knox has a skill set that will keep him employed in this league though. Knox would be great on a super team. Just stand somewhere and make your shot when it finds you)
Toppin gets 2 years before his potential is classified.
Barret and iq look like pro nba ballers. Ceiling unknown (tbd)

If we are still building a bench through a draft we have reached a critical stage where we cannot afford a bust anymore. (Whoever we draft must minimally be a good professional rotational piece.

Draft weapons this draft. These players have extremely low bust potential picks 10-20

Corey kispert SF
Day-Ron sharpe C
Ayo dosunmo CG
Jaden springer sg
Cam Thomas
Jared butler
Davion mitchel
Ibou badji C


My favorite weapon would be kispert and one of the Combo guards on the list.

Add Jason Preston to that mix

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3/18/2021  8:58 AM
Let year could not see Randle as an allstar.
IQ? Who?
Inconsistent 19 year old RJ now a solid 20 year non highlight.
Frank, is frank. Thibs messing with Knox’s head but we all know its for his own good. If he gonna be a player, he needs to fill that frame and be a 4. But isn’t that where OBI is?
Nalods depth chart don’t matter. Obviously the only thing that’s consistent is change.
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3/18/2021  9:02 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/18/2021  9:22 AM
Nalod wrote:Let year could not see Randle as an allstar.
IQ? Who?
Inconsistent 19 year old RJ now a solid 20 year non highlight.
Frank, is frank. Thibs messing with Knox’s head but we all know its for his own good. If he gonna be a player, he needs to fill that frame and be a 4. But isn’t that where OBI is?
Nalods depth chart don’t matter. Obviously the only thing that’s consistent is change.

Agree

Difference is Knox actually has perfected a skill set we are confident in. He also doesn’t look scared. Confused he still looks lol but not scared. He can definetly be an average to above average 4 in this league if he gets his mind body and skill level up.


Toppin has showed me he has the potential to do a lot of things but it doesn’t manifest during a game lol

It’s very strange. He can run the floor. Good team player/teammate, electric passer, great dunker, will be a reliable stretch 4 when he gets more reps and loses the fear. Solid free throw shooter.


He literally looks like he can do so much. But when we watch the game it all looks like a big mess


I trust Frank’s defense on top elite wings. That’s about it........

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3/18/2021  9:03 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/18/2021  9:05 AM
newyorknewyork wrote:
xblvdels3 wrote:I’m satisfied. Of course I want excellence. I want to win every game. But we are realistically right where I wanted to be starting the season. We are not even half way though the official rebuild which started with drafting ntlikina, trading kp and clearing cap space.
If they do this the right way we can be good until 2030 +

If they rush and skip steps we can be good for 3-4 years
Just my personal take
* ntlikina not extending will be the first failure of the rebuild. Although signed in Phil Jackson era

* The next failure of the official rebuild could be Knox if he doesn’t figure a complete game out this summer. ( I do feel knox has a skill set that will keep him employed in this league though. Knox would be great on a super team. Just stand somewhere and make your shot when it finds you)
Toppin gets 2 years before his potential is classified.
Barret and iq look like pro nba ballers. Ceiling unknown (tbd)

If we are still building a bench through a draft we have reached a critical stage where we cannot afford a bust anymore. (Whoever we draft must minimally be a good professional rotational piece.

Draft weapons this draft. These players have extremely low bust potential picks 10-20

Corey kispert SF
Day-Ron sharpe C
Ayo dosunmo CG
Jaden springer sg
Cam Thomas
Jared butler
Davion mitchel
Ibou badji C


My favorite weapon would be kispert and one of the Combo guards on the list.

Add Jason Preston to that mix


Yes true. Still sleeping on him. He could be something seriously legit.

I just added him to my wish list for this spring when I start my serious evaluation of college players

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3/18/2021  9:31 AM
Focus on the core of Randle, Barrett and Quickley. Build around them with the right role players like we are now and add that 1 star via trade or free agency when the opportunity presents itself. Randle is a star and we need another established star eventually. Barrett can become a 3rd star and Quickley possibly a 4th, or at least a high end scoring role player. I still believe adding Lonzo Ball this summer is a step and then waiting out that big star to free up, whether it’s Embiid or Booker, those are 2 names I’m thinking in a couple of years.
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3/18/2021  10:08 AM
It took a long tome to get to Mediocrity with assets to move up.
There is no clear path visible. Enjoy the journey because that can be more fun than the destination. Since we don’t know where that is, why be miserable along the way!
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3/18/2021  10:30 AM
I hope the knicks take a step by step approach in rounding out the roster. I wouldnt mind for them to exercise more patience, just make a small stop gap move to address the shooting needs and just go hard after Lonzo in free agency. We can almost see the finish line(finish line being a competative gritty team) if the front office feels like they have enough draft assets to trade for a starting PG or another star and have some draft capital left to build the bench, im good with that.

But if the front office suddenly gets an itch to make moves in the trade deadline for some homerun/Hail Mary plays to net them a starting PG and another star using up all their draft capital but still keep the young core intact, i might not be on board right away coz there wont be any do overs if the pieces they bring wont fit the puzzle. Hopefully the front office continues to do their homework and made the right play by the trade deadline.

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