BRIGGS wrote:He’s way to small
And he’s not quick or fast enough to make up for it

2-24 last 4 games —- just can’t live with it— it’s not good enough

BRIGGS wrote:Not sure why we took Quickley over Pritchard We needed a true pg

Welpee wrote:BRIGGS FROM 1/11/21:

BRIGGS wrote:He’s way to small
And he’s not quick or fast enough to make up for it

2-24 last 4 games —- just can’t live with it— it’s not good enough

BRIGGS wrote:Not sure why we took Quickley over Pritchard We needed a true pg

I know there's more than this? I'm not savy enough on UK to find them. But he was killing quickley. I was like, he's missing good shots and he was aggressive and attacking from the jump...even during his 2-24 stretch. In comparison to Frank, he's in his 4th year and just found a reliable jumper...but still doesn't know when to attack or defer. Quick, RJ, Obi, Randle, Rose....They all attack.

I rather have a player that attacks too much vs not enough. You coach them to slow down...but if someone is not accustomed to attacking the defense naturally, without any nba training....its hard to be coached up to become an attacking guard...it will look mechanical and inconsistent...but it will take some time to change into that...sometimesnever in most cases, But that's the kind of players we need to have, someone not afraid to play their game and contribute offensively and coachable. Great combo to have. We have a team that's young filled with this skill set.

I still say sign Frank long term for cheap. But use him properly. Nothing wrong with having a young unselfish defender in their mid 20s.

blkexec wrote:

Welpee wrote:BRIGGS FROM 1/11/21:

BRIGGS wrote:He’s way to small
And he’s not quick or fast enough to make up for it

2-24 last 4 games —- just can’t live with it— it’s not good enough

BRIGGS wrote:Not sure why we took Quickley over Pritchard We needed a true pg

I know there's more than this? I'm not savy enough on UK to find them. But he was killing quickley. I was like, he's missing good shots and he was aggressive and attacking from the jump...even during his 2-24 stretch. In comparison to Frank, he's in his 4th year and just found a reliable jumper...but still doesn't know when to attack or defer. Quick, RJ, Obi, Randle, Rose....They all attack.

I rather have a player that attacks too much vs not enough. You coach them to slow down...but someone not afraid to attack can not be coached up to attack more...you either have it or dont, That's the kind of players we need to have, especially when they are coachable.

I still say sign Frank long term for cheap. But use him properly.

I’m glad Thibs was obligated to start him in the second half, but still give him props for not being stubborn with Frank. I really hope we find a trade for Payton, as I think Rose, Quick and one of our G-League PGs can handle the spot.

One of the main reasons some on this board want Quick coming off the bench is because he’s not a good playmaker. True, the 21 year old who’s in his first year does have room to improve as a playmaker. But, lets not pretend like this years version of Payton and his 3 and half assists is doing much playmaking this year. In fact, Payton calls his own number more than anyone on the team not named Randle.

I don’t buy the idea that Quick would take away shots from RJ and Randle if he was inserted into the starting lineup because his role would change. Clearly, Quick’s role with the second unit is hunt for shots as he and Burks are the main scorer’s. If you notice, the playbook seems to shrink when the second unit is in the game. But When Quick plays with Randle and RJ, the playbook opens-up a bit and we’ve seen him compliment both RJ and Randle when he has had a chance to play extended mins with the starters.

In addition, Randle is our main playmaker anyway. Quickley is probably our best catch and shoot 3 point shooter and would benefit from Randle’s playmaking. And vice versa as Quick’s presence would open up the court for both Randle and RJ. I also believe Quick’s efficiency would improve playing with better players as he wont be asked to carry the scoring load or handle the ball as much.

And for those that say we shouldn’t rush Quick and he may not be ready, I disagree. When is the last time we’ve seen a more confident Rookie. When have we ever seen Quick get rattled? When hasn’t he bounced back after a tough game? And Payton will not be the reason we secure one of the 6-10 playoff spots.

How much fun would it be to make the playoffs with 20- and 21-year-old in our starting rotation? Rose can get 20 mins a night as Quick’s back-up and more, depending. I hate the idea that a 21 year old who’s only played half a season is already being pigeon-holed as future 6th man. Instead of chasing Lowry or Ball, maybe we already have our future lead guard (I say lead guard instead of pg because the Mark Jackson’s of the world barely exist in today’s NBA). We wont know unless he’s given a shot.

RJ, Randle with IQ (116.3 OFF 104.3 DEF) +11.9 net rating

RJ, Randle with Payton (107.1 OFF 110.0 DEF) -2.9 net rating.

It’s really not that different from how GSW uses Green and Curry - clearly Thibs was influenced by his visits with Steve Kerr during his year away from coaching.

Whether he starts or comes off the bench, I think Quickley will continue to dig into more minutes and eventually get into the 30+mpg range regularly, provided he stays healthy. Notably he’s been dealing with a sore groin and we need to be a little careful with this - playing in the 2nd half is going to be prime development time for him.

I was just thinking today whether Quickley is one of favorites for 6th man of the year. Is there another non-starter with as many high impact 20+pt games as him?

I would not be against an IQ-RJ-Knox-Randle-Mitch lineup next season, with Frank spelling all three backcourt spots and Obi coming in for Randle. Then you need another center, hopefully with a shot, and a microwave scorer off the bench in the Allonzo Trier mode to fill out the rotation, and you got yourselves a pretty decent team.