I also think that it would look like Thibs is playing Favorites because Payton hasn't been bad enough to remove from the starting line up

Knixkik wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:It's a good question, but i really don't want Rose playing heavy minutes with his injury history.

I also think that it would look like Thibs is playing Favorites because Payton hasn't been bad enough to remove from the starting line up

He should continue to start and Quickley seeing big minutes off the bench helps. Rose can stay at 28 mpg or less.

Rose is. He's a real threat to score. When ELF calls his own number too often its after dribbling all over the phucking place for 15 seconds while everyone runs around like wtf. When Rose calls his own number its usually really fast and a play off for everyone except the big who's crashing the boards. Rose pushes tempo and forces action and creates space by being a threat. He's got limitations also. I thought last night he looked wobbly late in the game and 28 minutes really felt like a lot for Rose. I am thinking closer to 25 and riding any other effective options (Burks, Frank etc) to keep Rose's minutes down.

Looking at how Thibs has handled Rose really shows me he's a great coach and will do well here. He benched Rivers for Rose which was the right thing to do and Rose paid immediate dividends. Keeps Rose coming in off the bench first 7 games, gives him some closes as well. Point is its been 8 games and its pretty clear that if Thibs makes Rose the starter it will be because Rose is the better player and it makes the starting unit better and NOT just because Rose is Thib's guy.

What will be really interesting is if Elf loses his rotation minutes to Frank. Elf is a better PG than Frank but if we are talking bench role Frank is better. Better defender, better shooter

BRIGGS wrote:I say yes

Knee jerk impression and if we can play ****ty teams like the way Kings played last perhaps we should.
Rose at some level has to have his minutes managed and we have to decide who finishes the game.
Rose defense vs. curry to close the game out was bad. Might be more situational to his lack of practice with team and not physical. He and Gibson messed up. To be fair nobody can stay in front of curry and I’m more or less saying the team did not handle it well.
Fatigue matters. I like Rose playing on the second unit and then bleeding into finishing if he “got it”.
I’m not sure how he blends with RJ at SG.
Maybe the question is about next season and if RJ stays at SG. I like Quick as SG.

foosballnick wrote:IMO Rose increases the pace and brings a bit more offensive dynamic to the starting 5 by being a bit more of an outside threat and creating slightly better spacing vs. Payton. I'm also (selfishly) intrigued and want to see a bit more the the IQ / Frank pairing.

arkrud wrote:Something have to give.
Roze and Quick both need 24 min.
Burks is much better as SG and Frank is better as SF on second unit.
Barret minutes are not going anywhere.
Where this all left Elf?
Somebody will be traded... Elf is becoming the primary candidate along with Rivers.

It seems like without Payton there the pieces come together better, and rotation makes more sense.

arkrud wrote:Something have to give.
Roze and Quick both need 24 min.
Burks is much better as SG and Frank is better as SF on second unit.
Barret minutes are not going anywhere.
Where this all left Elf?
Somebody will be traded... Elf is becoming the primary candidate along with Rivers.

You do realize Payton has a NTC, and do you really think Thibs will Bench Payton to play frank.

Frank and Rivers are clearly on the trading block. I think frank will get minutes whenever one of the rotation guys get injured.

knicks1248 wrote:

arkrud wrote:Something have to give.
Roze and Quick both need 24 min.
Burks is much better as SG and Frank is better as SF on second unit.
Barret minutes are not going anywhere.
Where this all left Elf?
Somebody will be traded... Elf is becoming the primary candidate along with Rivers.

You do realize Payton has a NTC, and do you really think Thibs will Bench Payton to play frank.

Frank and Rivers are clearly on the trading block. I think frank will get minutes whenever one of the rotation guys get injured.

I’m not saying “I think this...” I’m discussing the possibility. Just like I discussed Frank playing yesterday and only mentioned the intrigue of who starts and who plays the second unit. Not “Frank is gonna play and a star is reborn”..........The stars were Rose going 6-6 in and we got off to a great start. IQ was crazy scoring 18 pts in 10 min. Burks got red hot and finished it. Frank helped change the pace you so often talk about but in your blind hate fail to see that good transition defense changes the pace. Knicks are good defensively because we slow the ball down. The younger unit cut off the passing lanes and created turnovers and thats when its fun to watch!

fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:It's a good question, but i really don't want Rose playing heavy minutes with his injury history.

I also think that it would look like Thibs is playing Favorites because Payton hasn't been bad enough to remove from the starting line up

He should continue to start and Quickley seeing big minutes off the bench helps. Rose can stay at 28 mpg or less.

Knixkik gets it. There were a lot of good non basketball reasons not to start Rose over Elf immediately, despite Rose clearly being the superior player. Elfrid plays really hard. If you have played team sports or coached for any period of time you know the type of guy ELF is. He tries so hard and works so hard its impossible not to get behind the guy. He's just limited. His handle is good. His defense is good. His hustle is great. His attitude is great. He's not a starting caliber NBA point guard.

Rose is. He's a real threat to score. When ELF calls his own number too often its after dribbling all over the phucking place for 15 seconds while everyone runs around like wtf. When Rose calls his own number its usually really fast and a play off for everyone except the big who's crashing the boards. Rose pushes tempo and forces action and creates space by being a threat. He's got limitations also. I thought last night he looked wobbly late in the game and 28 minutes really felt like a lot for Rose. I am thinking closer to 25 and riding any other effective options (Burks, Frank etc) to keep Rose's minutes down.

Looking at how Thibs has handled Rose really shows me he's a great coach and will do well here. He benched Rivers for Rose which was the right thing to do and Rose paid immediate dividends. Keeps Rose coming in off the bench first 7 games, gives him some closes as well. Point is its been 8 games and its pretty clear that if Thibs makes Rose the starter it will be because Rose is the better player and it makes the starting unit better and NOT just because Rose is Thib's guy.

What will be really interesting is if Elf loses his rotation minutes to Frank. Elf is a better PG than Frank but if we are talking bench role Frank is better. Better defender, better shooter

Spot on. Loving that FN got his shot and did well with it. Not sure how long Elf is out for, but FN deserves more opportunities.

NYKBocker wrote:I say yes and bench Basura Payton.

THIBS loves this guy, and you should to because he's a big reason we have the record we do, why Fizdale was Fired, and Why thibs is succeeding, one had the luxury of starting the season with him, the other started the season 2-16 without him.

“In terms of Elfrid’s value to the team, we’ve seen it,’’ Thibodeau said. “His strengths are different than some of the other guys — his size, ability to guard the ball and ability to get in the paint, they’re invaluable to use. He’s had a very good season.’’

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I get it that he's not the PG we all would prefer, but he's solid on most nights