fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Randle said flat out he was consulted before hiring thibs. Randle is both Kentucky and CAA so he’s double royalty in Knickland at this point. He has emerged into a star but was clearly getting some star treatment back in the summer. So why draft Toppin? He’s CAA and from NY so that’s good, but there has to be more of a plan here. Is the plan eventually to use he and Randle together a lot ? Or was this simply getting the BPA and not worrying about figuring the rest out ? I wish our media would do more of a deep dive into this.

dont over think it... its a BPA situation and Obi is a scorer on a roster with very little scoring talent.

Randle has been great and that is great. Its a good problem to have. Obi has a lot to learn and this roster is in its EARLY stages. This is all still about getting players.

This offseason everyone BUT the FO wanted Randle gone. I said I thought we would keep him based on what you mentioned above and there was no reason to sell low.

We dont need a plan at PF. We have Randle/Obi locked up this year and next. One is an all star, the other a rookie with great scoring potential.

The plan is what are we doing at PG and SF

I agree it's a good problem to have, but i just wonder if Randle was consulted during the process why draft a player who would have the potential to replace him? A lot of us really like Haliburton, who could solve a lot of problems. I'm not down on Toppin at all but just feel like there wasn't a clear plan here.

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Randle said flat out he was consulted before hiring thibs. Randle is both Kentucky and CAA so he’s double royalty in Knickland at this point. He has emerged into a star but was clearly getting some star treatment back in the summer. So why draft Toppin? He’s CAA and from NY so that’s good, but there has to be more of a plan here. Is the plan eventually to use he and Randle together a lot ? Or was this simply getting the BPA and not worrying about figuring the rest out ? I wish our media would do more of a deep dive into this.

The media already had told us.... the Knicks were willing to trade up to #5 spot with CLE to get Obi. He was BPA in their minds

But that same media also assumed at the time that Randle wasn't part of the long-term plan. If what he said about being included in the coaching search to some extend is true, than I think there's more to uncover here and it's safe to assume Randle was always part of the plan.

Did they feel like Randle or Toppin can play center long-term?
Did they not only think Toppin was the BPA, but felt there was no other player available at 8 that could help the team?
Did Rose and Wes go to Randle and say "hey we think you and Toppin will make a nice future starting 4/5 together?"

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Randle said flat out he was consulted before hiring thibs. Randle is both Kentucky and CAA so he’s double royalty in Knickland at this point. He has emerged into a star but was clearly getting some star treatment back in the summer. So why draft Toppin? He’s CAA and from NY so that’s good, but there has to be more of a plan here. Is the plan eventually to use he and Randle together a lot ? Or was this simply getting the BPA and not worrying about figuring the rest out ? I wish our media would do more of a deep dive into this.

The media already had told us.... the Knicks were willing to trade up to #5 spot with CLE to get Obi. He was BPA in their minds

But that same media also assumed at the time that Randle wasn't part of the long-term plan. If what he said about being included in the coaching search to some extend is true, than I think there's more to uncover here and it's safe to assume Randle was always part of the plan.

Did they feel like Randle or Toppin can play center long-term?
Did they not only think Toppin was the BPA, but felt there was no other player available at 8 that could help the team?
Did Rose and Wes go to Randle and say "hey we think you and Toppin will make a nice future starting 4/5 together?"

Maybe Randle would have been moved if he said that he wasnt a fan of Thibs. You want the best player on your team buying in, no matter how long that player is on the roster. Hard for a new coach to get off to a good start otherwise. That might have been why Randle was consulted.

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Randle said flat out he was consulted before hiring thibs. Randle is both Kentucky and CAA so he’s double royalty in Knickland at this point. He has emerged into a star but was clearly getting some star treatment back in the summer. So why draft Toppin? He’s CAA and from NY so that’s good, but there has to be more of a plan here. Is the plan eventually to use he and Randle together a lot ? Or was this simply getting the BPA and not worrying about figuring the rest out ? I wish our media would do more of a deep dive into this.

The media already had told us.... the Knicks were willing to trade up to #5 spot with CLE to get Obi. He was BPA in their minds

But that same media also assumed at the time that Randle wasn't part of the long-term plan. If what he said about being included in the coaching search to some extend is true, than I think there's more to uncover here and it's safe to assume Randle was always part of the plan.

Did they feel like Randle or Toppin can play center long-term?
Did they not only think Toppin was the BPA, but felt there was no other player available at 8 that could help the team?
Did Rose and Wes go to Randle and say "hey we think you and Toppin will make a nice future starting 4/5 together?"

What Fish said: you are overthinking this

Of course I am, but that's what we do here.

As we stand right now, the Knicks used the 8th pick on a player who is stuck behind a 26 year old potential franchise player and can't play another position. The front office bailed itself out with the Quickley pick. Thibs is such a great coach that he turned a roster that was supposed to be a basement dweller into a solid, improving team, so I understand the Toppin issue isn't a concern for now.

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Randle said flat out he was consulted before hiring thibs. Randle is both Kentucky and CAA so he’s double royalty in Knickland at this point. He has emerged into a star but was clearly getting some star treatment back in the summer. So why draft Toppin? He’s CAA and from NY so that’s good, but there has to be more of a plan here. Is the plan eventually to use he and Randle together a lot ? Or was this simply getting the BPA and not worrying about figuring the rest out ? I wish our media would do more of a deep dive into this.

The media already had told us.... the Knicks were willing to trade up to #5 spot with CLE to get Obi. He was BPA in their minds

But that same media also assumed at the time that Randle wasn't part of the long-term plan. If what he said about being included in the coaching search to some extend is true, than I think there's more to uncover here and it's safe to assume Randle was always part of the plan.

Did they feel like Randle or Toppin can play center long-term?
Did they not only think Toppin was the BPA, but felt there was no other player available at 8 that could help the team?
Did Rose and Wes go to Randle and say "hey we think you and Toppin will make a nice future starting 4/5 together?"

What Fish said: you are overthinking this

Of course I am, but that's what we do here.

As we stand right now, the Knicks used the 8th pick on a player who is stuck behind a 26 year old potential franchise player and can't play another position. The front office bailed itself out with the Quickley pick. Thibs is such a great coach that he turned a roster that was supposed to be a basement dweller into a solid, improving team, so I understand the Toppin issue isn't a concern for now.

Knixkik wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Randle said flat out he was consulted before hiring thibs. Randle is both Kentucky and CAA so he’s double royalty in Knickland at this point. He has emerged into a star but was clearly getting some star treatment back in the summer. So why draft Toppin? He’s CAA and from NY so that’s good, but there has to be more of a plan here. Is the plan eventually to use he and Randle together a lot ? Or was this simply getting the BPA and not worrying about figuring the rest out ? I wish our media would do more of a deep dive into this.

dont over think it... its a BPA situation and Obi is a scorer on a roster with very little scoring talent.

Randle has been great and that is great. Its a good problem to have. Obi has a lot to learn and this roster is in its EARLY stages. This is all still about getting players.

This offseason everyone BUT the FO wanted Randle gone. I said I thought we would keep him based on what you mentioned above and there was no reason to sell low.

We dont need a plan at PF. We have Randle/Obi locked up this year and next. One is an all star, the other a rookie with great scoring potential.

The plan is what are we doing at PG and SF

I agree it's a good problem to have, but i just wonder if Randle was consulted during the process why draft a player who would have the potential to replace him? A lot of us really like Haliburton, who could solve a lot of problems. I'm not down on Toppin at all but just feel like there wasn't a clear plan here.

Here's the other thing.... Knicks had Julius and drafted Obi and you are worried about fit cause they play the same position..... and you are not worried about the same with Hali and IQ?

fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Randle said flat out he was consulted before hiring thibs. Randle is both Kentucky and CAA so he’s double royalty in Knickland at this point. He has emerged into a star but was clearly getting some star treatment back in the summer. So why draft Toppin? He’s CAA and from NY so that’s good, but there has to be more of a plan here. Is the plan eventually to use he and Randle together a lot ? Or was this simply getting the BPA and not worrying about figuring the rest out ? I wish our media would do more of a deep dive into this.

The media already had told us.... the Knicks were willing to trade up to #5 spot with CLE to get Obi. He was BPA in their minds

But that same media also assumed at the time that Randle wasn't part of the long-term plan. If what he said about being included in the coaching search to some extend is true, than I think there's more to uncover here and it's safe to assume Randle was always part of the plan.

Did they feel like Randle or Toppin can play center long-term?
Did they not only think Toppin was the BPA, but felt there was no other player available at 8 that could help the team?
Did Rose and Wes go to Randle and say "hey we think you and Toppin will make a nice future starting 4/5 together?"

What Fish said: you are overthinking this

Of course I am, but that's what we do here.

As we stand right now, the Knicks used the 8th pick on a player who is stuck behind a 26 year old potential franchise player and can't play another position. The front office bailed itself out with the Quickley pick. Thibs is such a great coach that he turned a roster that was supposed to be a basement dweller into a solid, improving team, so I understand the Toppin issue isn't a concern for now.

do we know both of them cant play another position?

We don’t know. That’s the wildcard here I guess.