He doesn't know how to get out of a hard trap. Picks up his dribble too often with no outlet pass, misses way too many passes at the rim for Robinson and Noel, hasn't yet proven he can finish at the rim.

He has had some nice minutes off bench. He shows flashes. Shooting OK from deep but some games doesn't know when to shoot and when not to.

Payton isn't long for his starting position but IQ hasn't grabbed it yet

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:Literally what has IQ done to deserve to start?

He doesn't know how to get out of a hard trap. Picks up his dribble too often with no outlet pass, misses way too many passes at the rim for Robinson and Noel, hasn't yet proven he can finish at the rim.

He has had some nice minutes off bench. He shows flashes. Shooting OK from deep but some games doesn't know when to shoot and when not to.

Payton isn't long for his starting position but IQ hasn't grabbed it yet

I think the shooting is needed in the lineup.

What the heck has Payton shown to get the right to start over him... they both bring it defensively so I don’t consider Payton really better defensively... quick has better court vision and defenses have to play up on him ... he spreads the floor, teams are double teaming quickly that’s how good he’s been. Are they double teaming Payton... hell no why would they he can barely make a layup let alone a jump shot .

So really why the heck is brick city Payton starting over one of our top 5 players on the team?? Thibs is lucky fans are not in the stands v
Because we’d be screaming to bench Payton and play a overall way better player..

Agree though with the addition of rose, Payton has got to go. Hoping we trade him for a pick and use that pick to trade for a solid 3 and d man.

Anybody take time to look at DRose minutes THIS SEASON, or just that he is career shooting is not great?
Let’s use our imaginations and think that RIvers or Payton might be drawing interest as late season additions to teams that are playoff bound.

As for Knox and Frank? I have no clue. Can’t say the regressed or the bar was moved higher with Thibs. They were both given time.
As for the future? We can only speculate.

knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:Literally what has IQ done to deserve to start?

He doesn't know how to get out of a hard trap. Picks up his dribble too often with no outlet pass, misses way too many passes at the rim for Robinson and Noel, hasn't yet proven he can finish at the rim.

He has had some nice minutes off bench. He shows flashes. Shooting OK from deep but some games doesn't know when to shoot and when not to.

Payton isn't long for his starting position but IQ hasn't grabbed it yet

I think the shooting is needed in the lineup.

Feel like EVERYONE has noticed that and yet Thibs hasn't pulled the trigger

Things were working just well enough to not change it up. Now that moves are being made this is the opportunity.

He is nowhere near ready.

Just because a 6th grader won the spelling B, doesn't mean he needs to go straight to college.

Too many heat check shots, not understanding defensive schemes, too much pressure for a rookie to learn that, make sure guy's are where their supposed to be, not fully understanding Thibs system after 2 months.

I would like to see the adjustments he will make against the Heats trapped defense.

Payton earned his way in the starting line up, he's a 7 yr vet

I understand he's not completely ready. My argument was this team needs a better fit in the line-up and it's as good a time as ever.

knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:Literally what has IQ done to deserve to start?

He doesn't know how to get out of a hard trap. Picks up his dribble too often with no outlet pass, misses way too many passes at the rim for Robinson and Noel, hasn't yet proven he can finish at the rim.

He has had some nice minutes off bench. He shows flashes. Shooting OK from deep but some games doesn't know when to shoot and when not to.

Payton isn't long for his starting position but IQ hasn't grabbed it yet

I think the shooting is needed in the lineup.

Feel like EVERYONE has noticed that and yet Thibs hasn't pulled the trigger

Things were working just well enough to not change it up. Now that moves are being made this is the opportunity.

He is nowhere near ready.

Just because a 6th grader won the spelling B, doesn't mean he needs to go straight to college.

Too many heat check shots, not understanding defensive schemes, too much pressure for a rookie to learn that, make sure guy's are where their supposed to be, not fully understanding Thibs system after 2 months.

I would like to see the adjustments he will make against the Heats trapped defense.

Payton earned his way in the starting line up, he's a 7 yr vet

I understand he's not completely ready. My argument was this team needs a better fit in the line-up and it's as good a time as ever.

Why not get him to master the role he's in now before you add more to his plate, that's how you develop players.

Yes that's fair, but making a move for DRose means roles across the board will change. Suddenly Quickley off the bench isn't the exclusive ball handler anymore. He will be playing alongside a guard who is his best with the ball and won't be a floor-spacer. Rose can be a good mentor for Quickley, but his role is about to change regardless.

Knixkik wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:Literally what has IQ done to deserve to start?

He doesn't know how to get out of a hard trap. Picks up his dribble too often with no outlet pass, misses way too many passes at the rim for Robinson and Noel, hasn't yet proven he can finish at the rim.

He has had some nice minutes off bench. He shows flashes. Shooting OK from deep but some games doesn't know when to shoot and when not to.

Payton isn't long for his starting position but IQ hasn't grabbed it yet

I think the shooting is needed in the lineup.

Feel like EVERYONE has noticed that and yet Thibs hasn't pulled the trigger

Things were working just well enough to not change it up. Now that moves are being made this is the opportunity.

He is nowhere near ready.

Just because a 6th grader won the spelling B, doesn't mean he needs to go straight to college.

Too many heat check shots, not understanding defensive schemes, too much pressure for a rookie to learn that, make sure guy's are where their supposed to be, not fully understanding Thibs system after 2 months.

I would like to see the adjustments he will make against the Heats trapped defense.

Payton earned his way in the starting line up, he's a 7 yr vet

I understand he's not completely ready. My argument was this team needs a better fit in the line-up and it's as good a time as ever.

Why not get him to master the role he's in now before you add more to his plate, that's how you develop players.

Yes that's fair, but making a move for DRose means roles across the board will change. Suddenly Quickley off the bench isn't the exclusive ball handler anymore. He will be playing alongside a guard who is his best with the ball and won't be a floor-spacer. Rose can be a good mentor for Quickley, but his role is about to change regardless.

He never was exclusive, he played minutes with Rivers already

Uptown wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:Literally what has IQ done to deserve to start?

He doesn't know how to get out of a hard trap. Picks up his dribble too often with no outlet pass, misses way too many passes at the rim for Robinson and Noel, hasn't yet proven he can finish at the rim.

He has had some nice minutes off bench. He shows flashes. Shooting OK from deep but some games doesn't know when to shoot and when not to.

Payton isn't long for his starting position but IQ hasn't grabbed it yet

I think the shooting is needed in the lineup.

Feel like EVERYONE has noticed that and yet Thibs hasn't pulled the trigger

Things were working just well enough to not change it up. Now that moves are being made this is the opportunity.

What moves? We traded away a guy who was not getting minutes. That's it.

The moves didn't shake up the rotation and I'm guessing Rose will be brought in when opportunity is right

Can't see Rose getting spot-duty ala Taj Gibson. Rose is here to play. Someone is losing minutes....

What do we know?

DSj wasnt playing

Elfrid is now being mentioned in rumors as some playoff teams having interest and I think if you look at his season he's a valuable backup PG who can really help you off the bench and spot start.

Frank survived again and Knicks said no to Knox. Of the guys not playing they moved the one with the least potential to ever contribute here.

As bad as Det has been Rose has played well

I suspect there are going to be a lot of moves in the next couple years, I dont really love Rose, but Thibs does and the cost was as low as it gets by NBA standards. I guess what I am saying is we have to let them do their thing. Guys like Rose/Taj are stop gaps pieces. They are here to be outplayed, but in the meantime they have the trust of their coach. It seems all the guys know what Thibs wants from them. The early results have been promising in such a way that this FO and Thibs have earned a wait and see from me.

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:Literally what has IQ done to deserve to start?

He doesn't know how to get out of a hard trap. Picks up his dribble too often with no outlet pass, misses way too many passes at the rim for Robinson and Noel, hasn't yet proven he can finish at the rim.

He has had some nice minutes off bench. He shows flashes. Shooting OK from deep but some games doesn't know when to shoot and when not to.

Payton isn't long for his starting position but IQ hasn't grabbed it yet

I think the shooting is needed in the lineup.

Feel like EVERYONE has noticed that and yet Thibs hasn't pulled the trigger

Things were working just well enough to not change it up. Now that moves are being made this is the opportunity.

What moves? We traded away a guy who was not getting minutes. That's it.

The moves didn't shake up the rotation and I'm guessing Rose will be brought in when opportunity is right

We traded a guy who wasn't playing for a guy who will get a lot of minutes. So this move will completely change the rotation. You can't really expect Rose to not be a rotation player right away, right?