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2/3/2021  10:46 PM
Still easily the worst 3pt shooting team in the league. And we aren’t a terrible team. Imagine if we had something in the range of league average (or even slightly below average ) 3pt shooting. We basically rely on those random big shooting nights from Randle or Barrett in order to not be a complete disaster from the outside. It’s quickley and that’s about it. Sprinkle in some Burks, rivers and Bullock but the consistency is never there. Any moves this season like for Redick or whoever would be putting lipstick on a pig. Redick can add shooting but not really improve the team at this rate in his career. The real moves will be in the offseason.

This summer I say replace Bullock with Otto Porter Jr or Danny Green and that way you’re getting a better off ball player and shooter than Bullock without giving anything back on the defensive end. Also draft Kispert with a lottery pick who is the best shooter to come into the draft in years and replace either rivers or Burks in the bench rotation with him. And of course promote Quickley if it’s not done sooner. Keep Payton as the backup or not, it doesn’t matter as long as Quickley is playing 30-32 mpg. Playmaking on this team isn’t a huge concern of mine because with Randle, Barrett and Quickley there’s plenty of organic playmaking improvements that will be made thru player development. But the shooting will have to be addressed with not good but great outside shooters. We instantly go from this team that plays hard and finds ways to win some games and morph into an actual dangerous team capable of beating anyone. Adding a couple great shooters without losing the defensive identity should be the goal.
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2/3/2021  11:02 PM
Any 3pt specialists worth drafting? We've got the picks.
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2/3/2021  11:06 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/3/2021  11:07 PM
GustavBahler wrote:Any 3pt specialists worth drafting? We've got the picks.

Corey Kispert is the best shooter coming into the league in years. Moses Moody is another consideration as he’s less proven but offers more defensive potential. Both will go in the 7-14 range. Either of them make sense but Kispert is a real sniper who will make a lot of money in the league in that joe Harris or Duncan Robinson role.
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2/3/2021  11:19 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/3/2021  11:20 PM
Knixkik wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Any 3pt specialists worth drafting? We've got the picks.

Corey Kispert is the best shooter coming into the league in years. Moses Moody is another consideration as he’s less proven but offers more defensive potential. Both will go in the 7-14 range. Either of them make sense but Kispert is a real sniper who will make a lot of money in the league in that joe Harris or Duncan Robinson role.

Interesting thanks. Might be a better option than possibly overpaying an FA.
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2/4/2021  12:44 AM
Gary Trent Jr, former Dukie just turned 22. RFA who turned down extension. 6-5 shooter.
might be an interesting FA. If on the rise might be someone Knicks could look to.
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2/4/2021  2:11 AM
Nalod wrote:Gary Trent Jr, former Dukie just turned 22. RFA who turned down extension. 6-5 shooter.
might be an interesting FA. If on the rise might be someone Knicks could look to.

Interesting. Trent is currently killing it with the Blazers this season, shooting 45% from behind the arc. Not much of a playmaker or rebounder - all the man does is shoot it. Per 36: 1.4apg, 2.2rpg.

The baseline we're trying to improve on is a player that brings more to the table than Knox/Bullock or the departed Dotson/Ellington.

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2/4/2021  2:42 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/4/2021  2:59 AM
Gary Trent is good. But I have re-run the stats for this season to identify the best shooters, filtering for i) above average 3pt %, ii) above average eFG %, iii) above average PPG, and iv) more than 2 3point shots made per game. Surprisingly Malik Monk came up #1 based on 3pt percentage and #3 based on eFG percentage. And he scores 10 points per game. I must admit, I was wrong when I said I would not trade for him right now, the guy is really turning it around this season. Maybe it helps him having a passer like LaMelo on the team. Other top aces are Michael Porter Jr., Joe Harris and Wayne Ellington. We could have added any one of those guys onto our team in the last 3 years without missing out on anyone from our current core.

Trent ranks outside of top 10 on that list, his 3pt percentage is good, but his overall eFG percentage is brought down by poor shooting from close range, and his FT percentage is nothing special.
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2/4/2021  7:15 AM
technomaster wrote:
Nalod wrote:Gary Trent Jr, former Dukie just turned 22. RFA who turned down extension. 6-5 shooter.
might be an interesting FA. If on the rise might be someone Knicks could look to.

Interesting. Trent is currently killing it with the Blazers this season, shooting 45% from behind the arc. Not much of a playmaker or rebounder - all the man does is shoot it. Per 36: 1.4apg, 2.2rpg.

The baseline we're trying to improve on is a player that brings more to the table than Knox/Bullock or the departed Dotson/Ellington.

How’s Trent’s defense ? And a agree we need to improve that baseline you mentioned. To me Kispert is a no brainer because he comes in as an elite shooter right away. But Green and Porter are the 2 guys I see as gettable free agents that bring the great shooting and quality defense. Maybe I’m missing someone though.
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2/4/2021  7:19 AM
technomaster wrote:
Nalod wrote:Gary Trent Jr, former Dukie just turned 22. RFA who turned down extension. 6-5 shooter.
might be an interesting FA. If on the rise might be someone Knicks could look to.

Interesting. Trent is currently killing it with the Blazers this season, shooting 45% from behind the arc. Not much of a playmaker or rebounder - all the man does is shoot it. Per 36: 1.4apg, 2.2rpg.

The baseline we're trying to improve on is a player that brings more to the table than Knox/Bullock or the departed Dotson/Ellington.


Asked for a shooter..........Free agent at that. RFA thought. Can he do more? I’m not his agent. Not selling this. Just bought up a name.
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2/4/2021  8:56 AM
Knixkik wrote:
technomaster wrote:
Nalod wrote:Gary Trent Jr, former Dukie just turned 22. RFA who turned down extension. 6-5 shooter.
might be an interesting FA. If on the rise might be someone Knicks could look to.

Interesting. Trent is currently killing it with the Blazers this season, shooting 45% from behind the arc. Not much of a playmaker or rebounder - all the man does is shoot it. Per 36: 1.4apg, 2.2rpg.

The baseline we're trying to improve on is a player that brings more to the table than Knox/Bullock or the departed Dotson/Ellington.

How’s Trent’s defense ? And a agree we need to improve that baseline you mentioned. To me Kispert is a no brainer because he comes in as an elite shooter right away. But Green and Porter are the 2 guys I see as gettable free agents that bring the great shooting and quality defense. Maybe I’m missing someone though.

Not for nothing, (RELAX NALOD) but Trent's D is worse than Melo's! LMAO
https://www.nba.com/stats/vs/misc/#!?PlayerID=1629018&VsPlayerID=2546
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2/4/2021  11:01 AM
jrodmc wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
technomaster wrote:
Nalod wrote:Gary Trent Jr, former Dukie just turned 22. RFA who turned down extension. 6-5 shooter.
might be an interesting FA. If on the rise might be someone Knicks could look to.

Interesting. Trent is currently killing it with the Blazers this season, shooting 45% from behind the arc. Not much of a playmaker or rebounder - all the man does is shoot it. Per 36: 1.4apg, 2.2rpg.

The baseline we're trying to improve on is a player that brings more to the table than Knox/Bullock or the departed Dotson/Ellington.

How’s Trent’s defense ? And a agree we need to improve that baseline you mentioned. To me Kispert is a no brainer because he comes in as an elite shooter right away. But Green and Porter are the 2 guys I see as gettable free agents that bring the great shooting and quality defense. Maybe I’m missing someone though.

Not for nothing, (RELAX NALOD) but Trent's D is worse than Melo's! LMAO
https://www.nba.com/stats/vs/misc/#!?PlayerID=1629018&VsPlayerID=2546

that's what I was afraid of!
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2/4/2021  11:06 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/4/2021  11:07 AM
We are not the worst by percentage according to ESPN stats - Knicks are 25th. We're at 35%, the Pacers who are the 15th best by percentage are at 36.3%. Our percentage isn't bad but I think that's deceiving. I think we take a low percentage because outside of Randolph our high-use players like Barret, Mitch and Payton are terrible three-point shooters. Our bench takes a lot of threes does not shoot a terrible percentage
River 38%, Burk 44%, quickly 37%, Knox 39% (when he's playing) but it doesn't make up for the fact that our starters can't shoot.
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2/4/2021  12:20 PM
ESOMKnicks wrote:Gary Trent is good. But I have re-run the stats for this season to identify the best shooters, filtering for i) above average 3pt %, ii) above average eFG %, iii) above average PPG, and iv) more than 2 3point shots made per game. Surprisingly Malik Monk came up #1 based on 3pt percentage and #3 based on eFG percentage. And he scores 10 points per game. I must admit, I was wrong when I said I would not trade for him right now, the guy is really turning it around this season. Maybe it helps him having a passer like LaMelo on the team. Other top aces are Michael Porter Jr., Joe Harris and Wayne Ellington. We could have added any one of those guys onto our team in the last 3 years without missing out on anyone from our current core.

Trent ranks outside of top 10 on that list, his 3pt percentage is good, but his overall eFG percentage is brought down by poor shooting from close range, and his FT percentage is nothing special.

Tweak your stat crunching a bit to take into account not only the stats but how the player is playing both this season and previous.

Monk looks great but it's because he has a super small sample size compared to someone who has played the entire season. He doesn't usually play cause he sucks

Wayne is having 1 good year on a bad team.

Filter out guys who we know aren't attainable? Harris, Porter Jr shouldn't even make anyone's list

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2/4/2021  12:21 PM
Knixkik wrote:
technomaster wrote:
Nalod wrote:Gary Trent Jr, former Dukie just turned 22. RFA who turned down extension. 6-5 shooter.
might be an interesting FA. If on the rise might be someone Knicks could look to.

Interesting. Trent is currently killing it with the Blazers this season, shooting 45% from behind the arc. Not much of a playmaker or rebounder - all the man does is shoot it. Per 36: 1.4apg, 2.2rpg.

The baseline we're trying to improve on is a player that brings more to the table than Knox/Bullock or the departed Dotson/Ellington.

How’s Trent’s defense ? And a agree we need to improve that baseline you mentioned. To me Kispert is a no brainer because he comes in as an elite shooter right away. But Green and Porter are the 2 guys I see as gettable free agents that bring the great shooting and quality defense. Maybe I’m missing someone though.

Wait, who are Green and Porter?

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jrodmc wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
technomaster wrote:
Nalod wrote:Gary Trent Jr, former Dukie just turned 22. RFA who turned down extension. 6-5 shooter.
might be an interesting FA. If on the rise might be someone Knicks could look to.

Interesting. Trent is currently killing it with the Blazers this season, shooting 45% from behind the arc. Not much of a playmaker or rebounder - all the man does is shoot it. Per 36: 1.4apg, 2.2rpg.

The baseline we're trying to improve on is a player that brings more to the table than Knox/Bullock or the departed Dotson/Ellington.

How’s Trent’s defense ? And a agree we need to improve that baseline you mentioned. To me Kispert is a no brainer because he comes in as an elite shooter right away. But Green and Porter are the 2 guys I see as gettable free agents that bring the great shooting and quality defense. Maybe I’m missing someone though.

Not for nothing, (RELAX NALOD) but Trent's D is worse than Melo's! LMAO
https://www.nba.com/stats/vs/misc/#!?PlayerID=1629018&VsPlayerID=2546

Does anyone watch Portland? I thought Gary Trent's defense was considered pretty good?

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martin wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
technomaster wrote:
Nalod wrote:Gary Trent Jr, former Dukie just turned 22. RFA who turned down extension. 6-5 shooter.
might be an interesting FA. If on the rise might be someone Knicks could look to.

Interesting. Trent is currently killing it with the Blazers this season, shooting 45% from behind the arc. Not much of a playmaker or rebounder - all the man does is shoot it. Per 36: 1.4apg, 2.2rpg.

The baseline we're trying to improve on is a player that brings more to the table than Knox/Bullock or the departed Dotson/Ellington.

How’s Trent’s defense ? And a agree we need to improve that baseline you mentioned. To me Kispert is a no brainer because he comes in as an elite shooter right away. But Green and Porter are the 2 guys I see as gettable free agents that bring the great shooting and quality defense. Maybe I’m missing someone though.

Not for nothing, (RELAX NALOD) but Trent's D is worse than Melo's! LMAO
https://www.nba.com/stats/vs/misc/#!?PlayerID=1629018&VsPlayerID=2546

Does anyone watch Portland? I thought Gary Trent's defense was considered pretty good?


Portland fans on forums have said that Trent's good defense in the playoffs was an aberration and that he usually meh. I think most of them still want to keep him.
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2/4/2021  1:01 PM
martin wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
technomaster wrote:
Nalod wrote:Gary Trent Jr, former Dukie just turned 22. RFA who turned down extension. 6-5 shooter.
might be an interesting FA. If on the rise might be someone Knicks could look to.

Interesting. Trent is currently killing it with the Blazers this season, shooting 45% from behind the arc. Not much of a playmaker or rebounder - all the man does is shoot it. Per 36: 1.4apg, 2.2rpg.

The baseline we're trying to improve on is a player that brings more to the table than Knox/Bullock or the departed Dotson/Ellington.

How’s Trent’s defense ? And a agree we need to improve that baseline you mentioned. To me Kispert is a no brainer because he comes in as an elite shooter right away. But Green and Porter are the 2 guys I see as gettable free agents that bring the great shooting and quality defense. Maybe I’m missing someone though.

Not for nothing, (RELAX NALOD) but Trent's D is worse than Melo's! LMAO
https://www.nba.com/stats/vs/misc/#!?PlayerID=1629018&VsPlayerID=2546

Does anyone watch Portland? I thought Gary Trent's defense was considered pretty good?

He is stepping up for the injured CJ McCollum. I’m no expert but he played a lot off the bench with that other guy from Syracuse on the wing whose help defense is not notable.
I’m looking at a guy that on the rise that we can over pay and fill that salary potential.
My take is Let our scouts and Johnny Bryant make the call. He did not want to entertain an extension instead is taking the gamble is value is increasing.
I’m not smart like most of you guys in figuring this fantasy of knowing what I’m talking about.
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2/4/2021  2:20 PM
Nalod wrote:
martin wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
technomaster wrote:
Nalod wrote:Gary Trent Jr, former Dukie just turned 22. RFA who turned down extension. 6-5 shooter.
might be an interesting FA. If on the rise might be someone Knicks could look to.

Interesting. Trent is currently killing it with the Blazers this season, shooting 45% from behind the arc. Not much of a playmaker or rebounder - all the man does is shoot it. Per 36: 1.4apg, 2.2rpg.

The baseline we're trying to improve on is a player that brings more to the table than Knox/Bullock or the departed Dotson/Ellington.

How’s Trent’s defense ? And a agree we need to improve that baseline you mentioned. To me Kispert is a no brainer because he comes in as an elite shooter right away. But Green and Porter are the 2 guys I see as gettable free agents that bring the great shooting and quality defense. Maybe I’m missing someone though.

Not for nothing, (RELAX NALOD) but Trent's D is worse than Melo's! LMAO
https://www.nba.com/stats/vs/misc/#!?PlayerID=1629018&VsPlayerID=2546

Does anyone watch Portland? I thought Gary Trent's defense was considered pretty good?

He is stepping up for the injured CJ McCollum. I’m no expert but he played a lot off the bench with that other guy from Syracuse on the wing whose help defense is not notable.
I’m looking at a guy that on the rise that we can over pay and fill that salary potential.
My take is Let our scouts and Johnny Bryant make the call. He did not want to entertain an extension instead is taking the gamble is value is increasing.
I’m not smart like most of you guys in figuring this fantasy of knowing what I’m talking about.


But your entertainment value while talking about it is incalculable!

I've watched a few Portland highlights, and there were a few plays that stuck out where Trent did look more than lost defensively... Who knows, maybe our FO scours the internet for Nalod's humble opinions and lets Thibs turn Trent into the next Draymond...
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2/4/2021  2:28 PM
IF the guy was a two way stud he would not have drafted 38th! He is a 22 year old in the league 3 years no might be restricted Free agent.
If he could play great Defense and did not shoot as we’d call him Frank!
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2/4/2021  2:30 PM
It'll be interesting to see what Trent does during the offseason. He is a SG that is firmly stuck behind CJ and Lillard. And it seems like Robert Covington is firmly in the SF starting slot for this year and next.

How will Gary position his career? Be OK with the contract and $$ Portland offers him or push for a sign and trade so he can get an opportunity for starters minutes on a different team

If you are the Knicks, what type of sign and trade offer would you proposition Portland ala Indiana/Milwaukee and Malcolm Brogdon trade?

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