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martin
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2/1/2021  10:28 AM
Thibs and staff are going in that direction. I'm guessing they want to see consistency and have asked him to do a few other things none of us really even see from a PG, run the team perspective.

It's happening or at least heading in that direction, just in a baby step by step manor.

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2/1/2021  10:30 AM
Yeah i think for now the minutes are more important than the starts. Quickley still needs to get comfortable at the NBA level before starting. He's the future at the position, but there's no rush on it.
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2/1/2021  11:15 AM
I like the reasoning behind starting Elf... which is his role. Elf's role is to play defense and set up Randle/RJ. Starting IQ adds some more responsibilities he doesnt need right now. Bottom line is Thibs LOVES IQ. He gushes about him every chance he gets. He's really vested in that kid, and IQ is a real student. Maybe IQ ends up being the next Rose... as in a scorer who really bonds w/ Thibs.

IQ's game is great but his physical profile is the real deal. He's not super explosive but he's very quick and his super long wingpsan is the real deal. He reminds me of Jamal Crawford with some Lou Williams and Tony Parker. I like how his best offense comes off screens and rolls and plays that require teammates.

Bottom line is he's a gem and its rare you see it right away but I think we do in this kid.

Obi... your up bud

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2/1/2021  11:45 AM
Playing with the 1st unit in the 4th Q with the starters, limited minutes so far, I see Q deferring to Randle and Barret and not being aggressive as a scorer. At this point, he is going to get more shots with the second unit and they need his scoring there. I’m not saying IQ can’t or shouldn’t start, just that it is like Thibs said, the fit is better with the second unit. What we really need is an upgrade to Elf. Frank really missed his opportunity by not being able to stay healthy. If you consider that all Elf really does is give the ball to Randle then stand around, it shouldn’t be too hard to replace that
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2/1/2021  2:35 PM
Knixkik wrote:Yeah i think for now the minutes are more important than the starts. Quickley still needs to get comfortable at the NBA level before starting. He's the future at the position, but there's no rush on it.

Like I keep saying, I think IQ, for now, is more like a Williams in that he fits better with a second unit. He seems to play better as a first option. Watching him with the first unit, it seems as though he loses a little bit of his aggressiveness. With time he will learn how to balance that with starters that are considered higher scoring options.

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2/1/2021  2:46 PM
Right now he’s playing way above expectations obviously. One thing I’d like to see from him that I think he could implement instantly is his playmaking. He should try to make it a point to get Obi at least two easy buckets anytime they share the floor.
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2/1/2021  6:38 PM
fishmike wrote:I like the reasoning behind starting Elf... which is his role. Elf's role is to play defense and set up Randle/RJ. Starting IQ adds some more responsibilities he doesnt need right now. Bottom line is Thibs LOVES IQ. He gushes about him every chance he gets. He's really vested in that kid, and IQ is a real student. Maybe IQ ends up being the next Rose... as in a scorer who really bonds w/ Thibs.

IQ's game is great but his physical profile is the real deal. He's not super explosive but he's very quick and his super long wingpsan is the real deal. He reminds me of Jamal Crawford with some Lou Williams and Tony Parker. I like how his best offense comes off screens and rolls and plays that require teammates.

Bottom line is he's a gem and its rare you see it right away but I think we do in this kid.

Obi... your up bud

I don't ^. Elf is exceptionally slow is setting up the offense letting the opponent's D to get better established (it's the 20 second or less variation of MDA's offense ). And then and most of the time his moves are simple dumps to Randle or RJ, but sets them up no better than before, aand typically worse because the guy guarding Elf can sag off.

For Elf to start and earn it he needs to be ferocious on D. He's not earning those minutes now IMO

I think the bigger issues is Thibs (who had his stint with champpion Celts) is a believer in it's not who starts but who finishes. IQ has earned those minutes. Thibs also like the chemistry he established with second unit.

the issue is he should be starting too so we can get established early and who can deny that IQ and the resulting spacing wouldn't help RJ and Julius as much as anyone on second unit

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Chandler
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2/1/2021  6:40 PM
HofstraBBall wrote:
Knixkik wrote:Yeah i think for now the minutes are more important than the starts. Quickley still needs to get comfortable at the NBA level before starting. He's the future at the position, but there's no rush on it.

Like I keep saying, I think IQ, for now, is more like a Williams in that he fits better with a second unit. He seems to play better as a first option. Watching him with the first unit, it seems as though he loses a little bit of his aggressiveness. With time he will learn how to balance that with starters that are considered higher scoring options.

It's a fair point but don't you think RJ and Randle will benefit from his floor spacing, more than KK, Rivers, And Tobin do?

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2/1/2021  6:49 PM
Knixkik wrote:Yeah i think for now the minutes are more important than the starts. Quickley still needs to get comfortable at the NBA level before starting. He's the future at the position, but there's no rush on it.

Thibs constantly preaches that and it matter who finishes more than who starts.

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2/1/2021  6:51 PM
Rookie wrote:Playing with the 1st unit in the 4th Q with the starters, limited minutes so far, I see Q deferring to Randle and Barret and not being aggressive as a scorer. At this point, he is going to get more shots with the second unit and they need his scoring there. I’m not saying IQ can’t or shouldn’t start, just that it is like Thibs said, the fit is better with the second unit. What we really need is an upgrade to Elf. Frank really missed his opportunity by not being able to stay healthy. If you consider that all Elf really does is give the ball to Randle then stand around, it shouldn’t be too hard to replace that

As much as I hate Elf. He attacks more than Frank. Frank needs to be more aggressive even with the second first unit. I do think he’ll get another chance but he better not act like a coward when he is given this next chance.

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2/1/2021  7:55 PM
I'm hoping Quickley keep coming off the bench the rest of season bringing energy to provide creative scoring for Knox & Obi Toppin. I would like to see Quickley & Frank in our back-court as 4th Qrt. Finishers.
I dont care what anyone say, but RJ Barrett's raw skills are not a 4th qtr. player to rely on for a Knicks win.
Thibs should try switching Payton & Rivers as starter PG depending on the opponent.
Quickley & Frank are our best combo-guards on the team, and need to be put in a lineup together.
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2/1/2021  8:48 PM
Not loving Rivers inconsistency. If this dude can’t put it up then we might as well bring in Frank for his next audition.
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2/1/2021  9:31 PM
Nalod wrote:Not loving Rivers inconsistency. If this dude can’t put it up then we might as well bring in Frank for his next audition.

Yes agreed
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2/1/2021  9:34 PM
wargames wrote:
Rookie wrote:Playing with the 1st unit in the 4th Q with the starters, limited minutes so far, I see Q deferring to Randle and Barret and not being aggressive as a scorer. At this point, he is going to get more shots with the second unit and they need his scoring there. I’m not saying IQ can’t or shouldn’t start, just that it is like Thibs said, the fit is better with the second unit. What we really need is an upgrade to Elf. Frank really missed his opportunity by not being able to stay healthy. If you consider that all Elf really does is give the ball to Randle then stand around, it shouldn’t be too hard to replace that

As much as I hate Elf. He attacks more than Frank. Frank needs to be more aggressive even with the second first unit. I do think he’ll get another chance but he better not act like a coward when he is given this next chance.

Last couple of games, RJ has been initiating the offense taking the ball out of Payton's hands rending him useless being that he is a poor spot up shooter.
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2/1/2021  10:39 PM
Not starting Quickley has cost us at least 2 wins so far, perhaps more...
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2/1/2021  10:46 PM
nyvector16 wrote:Not starting Quickley has cost us at least 2 wins so far, perhaps more...

At least he’s getting the minutes now though.
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2/1/2021  11:30 PM
Uptown wrote:
wargames wrote:
Rookie wrote:Playing with the 1st unit in the 4th Q with the starters, limited minutes so far, I see Q deferring to Randle and Barret and not being aggressive as a scorer. At this point, he is going to get more shots with the second unit and they need his scoring there. I’m not saying IQ can’t or shouldn’t start, just that it is like Thibs said, the fit is better with the second unit. What we really need is an upgrade to Elf. Frank really missed his opportunity by not being able to stay healthy. If you consider that all Elf really does is give the ball to Randle then stand around, it shouldn’t be too hard to replace that

As much as I hate Elf. He attacks more than Frank. Frank needs to be more aggressive even with the second first unit. I do think he’ll get another chance but he better not act like a coward when he is given this next chance.

Last couple of games, RJ has been initiating the offense taking the ball out of Payton's hands rending him useless being that he is a poor spot up shooter.

this has not been a good year for Eld, regardless of RJ. He kills pace. i like his defense and rebounding but it's not enough to start. his liability on offense goes well beyond his lack of shooting. he doesn't make things easier for anyone, and i would argue he doesn't get us organized either

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2/2/2021  4:46 AM
Chandler wrote:
Uptown wrote:
wargames wrote:
Rookie wrote:Playing with the 1st unit in the 4th Q with the starters, limited minutes so far, I see Q deferring to Randle and Barret and not being aggressive as a scorer. At this point, he is going to get more shots with the second unit and they need his scoring there. I’m not saying IQ can’t or shouldn’t start, just that it is like Thibs said, the fit is better with the second unit. What we really need is an upgrade to Elf. Frank really missed his opportunity by not being able to stay healthy. If you consider that all Elf really does is give the ball to Randle then stand around, it shouldn’t be too hard to replace that

As much as I hate Elf. He attacks more than Frank. Frank needs to be more aggressive even with the second first unit. I do think he’ll get another chance but he better not act like a coward when he is given this next chance.

Last couple of games, RJ has been initiating the offense taking the ball out of Payton's hands rending him useless being that he is a poor spot up shooter.

this has not been a good year for Eld, regardless of RJ. He kills pace. i like his defense and rebounding but it's not enough to start. his liability on offense goes well beyond his lack of shooting. he doesn't make things easier for anyone, and i would argue he doesn't get us organized either


For what it's worth Elf is actually having a career season.
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2/2/2021  5:43 AM
Think when Frankie Smokes is 100% he will take IQ’s spot on 2nd unit with IQ becoming the starter. Payton has been solid for what we are paying him but he would be regulated to 3rd point guard - ready to come in and contribute anytime he is needed.

Frank can give us a different type of energy off the bench with his defense.. which may make Rivers a more consistent player.

Pg: IQ, Frank
Sg: RJ, Rivers
Sf: Bullock, Burks
Pf: Randle, Toppin
C: Mitch, Noel

Roll with this squad and use our draft picks on Wing players that can shoot.. unfortunately Knox has been a dud
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2/2/2021  1:06 PM
ramtour420 wrote:
Chandler wrote:
Uptown wrote:
wargames wrote:
Rookie wrote:Playing with the 1st unit in the 4th Q with the starters, limited minutes so far, I see Q deferring to Randle and Barret and not being aggressive as a scorer. At this point, he is going to get more shots with the second unit and they need his scoring there. I’m not saying IQ can’t or shouldn’t start, just that it is like Thibs said, the fit is better with the second unit. What we really need is an upgrade to Elf. Frank really missed his opportunity by not being able to stay healthy. If you consider that all Elf really does is give the ball to Randle then stand around, it shouldn’t be too hard to replace that

As much as I hate Elf. He attacks more than Frank. Frank needs to be more aggressive even with the second first unit. I do think he’ll get another chance but he better not act like a coward when he is given this next chance.

Last couple of games, RJ has been initiating the offense taking the ball out of Payton's hands rending him useless being that he is a poor spot up shooter.

this has not been a good year for Eld, regardless of RJ. He kills pace. i like his defense and rebounding but it's not enough to start. his liability on offense goes well beyond his lack of shooting. he doesn't make things easier for anyone, and i would argue he doesn't get us organized either


For what it's worth Elf is actually having a career season.

Career ending season? For his time in NY?

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