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Knicks really messed up with the Knox draft with Mikal, SGA right after that #9 spot
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martin
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1/30/2021  7:57 PM
Have to say I get the feel that the coaching staff probably isn't high on Kevin. He gets the quick hook when he messes up and his minutes are dwindling.

Man his decision making is just horrid. Maybe he has improved his shot a little his year but I'd guess he is not long for this team.

I don't even know what Miles Bridges is doing but it's probably more than Knox

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1/30/2021  8:05 PM
Fizdale was a hot commodity in the coaching ranks. The FO (Ive read) wanted to draft other players, but Fizdale liked Knox. Pushed to draft him. Guessing that they wanted to make their new coach happy. Cant fault them for that. Goodwill gesture.

Disagree about Knox's decision making this season. Until recently, it was an improvement over last season. Knox doesnt play enough like he has a chip on his shoulder. When he does he can be pretty scary.
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1/30/2021  8:12 PM
I wanted mikal too. We been preaching we need more 2 way players and 3 D players. Mikael was both in college. I was just afraid of him thin frame. SGA went right by me. I remember people talking about him. But knox felt like a homerun swing. With Kentucky insight info. Similar to the same Kentucky intelligence that had us trading twice just to land quickley. So it may not all workout, but as you see.. continuing that Kentucky connection. And eventually u land a quickley type player. Knox just needs to focus on being a 3 and D player. Catch and shoot. And play a little defense. Until his production increases.
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1/30/2021  8:23 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/30/2021  8:25 PM
When it comes to his minutes this year I think it has more to do with Thibs rotations. We saw Randle and RJ finish the blowout against the Cavs to the last second while the Cavs threw in the towel and the substitutions something like 6 or 4 minutes before the end of the game. Frankie is ready for those mins and so is Knox. They have both shown improvements in their shot this season, that alone would stop me from calling them busts. They are just not getting minutes because of the short rotation. A shame in itself during a rebuild. I like the record tho and the playoff aspirations are real.

As far as doing that draft over 2 years later, yes of course we could have drafted a better player. That can be said with like a 90% probability 2 years after any given draft, at any given draft position, after like the first handful of picks. The only exceptions (10%) that Noone would redo are the Donovan M and Mitchel R and now Quickley type of picks

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1/30/2021  8:27 PM
Next year is a contract year for him right? Window is getting shorter and shorter for him to make a case. He looks much better than last year, but he's still missing some things. Would be a shame if we have two consecutive misses.
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1/30/2021  8:40 PM
Mikal would of been perfect to put next to Barrett. Draft picks are great, but when you keep pissing them away like the Knicks have you can get stuck on the treadmill. We already have gotten nothing from Frank and Knox. My eye tells me Obi won't do much either
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1/30/2021  8:47 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/30/2021  8:51 PM
Jmpasq wrote:Mikal would of been perfect to put next to Barrett. Draft picks are great, but when you keep pissing them away like the Knicks have you can get stuck on the treadmill. We already have gotten nothing from Frank and Knox. My eye tells me Obi won't do much either

Obi needs to get stronger. He does everything “right” he just isn’t strong enough to post up when he tries. Once he can actually get into the paint and score I think his whole game will open up due to his passing. His 3 ball looks good too

Knox is getting better but it’s like he had his first two years of his career wasted. He looks just as raw as Obi out there. They are trying to turn him into a version of Duncan Robinson but he has to be more active off ball.

Frank has actually looked better since the end of last year, but he gets injured.

I really wanted Mikal, but there isn’t anything to be done

This upcoming draft I really like Cade, Suggs, Zaire, Mood, Bouknight, Greg Brown, and Terrence Clarke. I know we been attached to BJ Boston too...... it’s such a deep draft I feel confident in a lot of guys.

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1/30/2021  9:00 PM
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1/30/2021  9:01 PM
wargames wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:Mikal would of been perfect to put next to Barrett. Draft picks are great, but when you keep pissing them away like the Knicks have you can get stuck on the treadmill. We already have gotten nothing from Frank and Knox. My eye tells me Obi won't do much either

Obi needs to get stronger. He does everything “right” he just isn’t strong enough to post up when he tries. Once he can actually get into the paint and score I think his whole game will open up due to his passing. His 3 ball looks good too

Knox is getting better but it’s like he had his first two years of his career wasted. He looks just as raw as Obi out there. They are trying to turn him into a version of Duncan Robinson but he has to be more active off ball.

Frank has actually looked better since the end of last year, but he gets injured.

I really wanted Mikal, but there isn’t anything to be done

This upcoming draft I really like Cade, Suggs, Zaire, Mood, Bouknight, Greg Brown, and Terrence Clarke. I know we been attached to BJ Boston too...... it’s such a deep draft I feel confident in a lot of guys.

We need 1 big man and 2 wing players/ guards in what should be 3 in the top 33.

I don’t mind looking back and saying we missed a draft pick but I still wish we spent the money and had Christian Wood as out center the next 4 years. He’s a franchise big who came at a massive massive discount

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1/30/2021  9:01 PM
Jmpasq wrote:Mikal would of been perfect to put next to Barrett. Draft picks are great, but when you keep pissing them away like the Knicks have you can get stuck on the treadmill. We already have gotten nothing from Frank and Knox. My eye tells me Obi won't do much either

Surprised you're already calling it with Toppin. Id wait until we see the backcourt settled. RJ has been the only reliable player. Quickley is up and down like most rooks. Their job is to get Obi the ball where he can do the most damage. Dont really see any plays being run for him.

Cant wait to see what Toppin does when we have a real floor general running the offense. Quickley isnt ready, but its looking very good. Maybe the FO can get us some help in the meantime.
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1/30/2021  9:03 PM
I hate to say it, but....

Frank (Mitchell, Bam) , Knox (Bridges, SGA, Porter) and Obi (Halliburton) it’s deja vu all over again.

I get the same impression with Obi. No real position, moves, feel for the game. He doesn’t know how to play. Much like Knox who doesn’t realize he’s long, always making himself smaller and never taking it to the rack properly.

I don’t know why they loved Obi. He’s lateral quickness is non existent and he isn’t explosively dunking on people. He should be dominating guys, but he gets in the post and it’s fumble central.

We need to come away with two real rotation players in this draft. You can’t have 3 lottery picks in 4 years not contributing. Throw DSJR in their as well. Why we didn’t ask for Jalen Brunson is bananas.
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1/30/2021  9:11 PM
MS wrote:I hate to say it, but....

Frank (Mitchell, Bam) , Knox (Bridges, SGA, Porter) and Obi (Halliburton) it’s deja vu all over again.

I get the same impression with Obi. No real position, moves, feel for the game. He doesn’t know how to play. Much like Knox who doesn’t realize he’s long, always making himself smaller and never taking it to the rack properly.

I don’t know why they loved Obi. He’s lateral quickness is non existent and he isn’t explosively dunking on people. He should be dominating guys, but he gets in the post and it’s fumble central.

We need to come away with two real rotation players in this draft. You can’t have 3 lottery picks in 4 years not contributing. Throw DSJR in their as well. Why we didn’t ask for Jalen Brunson is bananas.

Toppin had no "summer league". Missed his share of games due to injury. Court time has been very limited. Too early IMO to call the pick a mistake.
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1/30/2021  9:42 PM
MS wrote:I hate to say it, but....

Frank (Mitchell, Bam) , Knox (Bridges, SGA, Porter) and Obi (Halliburton) it’s deja vu all over again.

I get the same impression with Obi. No real position, moves, feel for the game. He doesn’t know how to play. Much like Knox who doesn’t realize he’s long, always making himself smaller and never taking it to the rack properly.

I don’t know why they loved Obi. He’s lateral quickness is non existent and he isn’t explosively dunking on people. He should be dominating guys, but he gets in the post and it’s fumble central.

We need to come away with two real rotation players in this draft. You can’t have 3 lottery picks in 4 years not contributing. Throw DSJR in their as well. Why we didn’t ask for Jalen Brunson is bananas.

That wouldve been great for the Knicks to get Brunson.

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1/30/2021  11:33 PM
I wanted Mikal bridges for the same reason I wanted Haliburton. I just feel in the 8-9 range you can hit a single and get a great starter for 10-15 years. Obviously there’s guys who have higher upside but also greater risk. I’ll use a later first round pick for those guys but I love grabbing a 3&D guy in the 8-12 range because you can get a really good starting role player and in that draft range it’s a win no matter what.
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1/30/2021  11:48 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
MS wrote:I hate to say it, but....

Frank (Mitchell, Bam) , Knox (Bridges, SGA, Porter) and Obi (Halliburton) it’s deja vu all over again.

I get the same impression with Obi. No real position, moves, feel for the game. He doesn’t know how to play. Much like Knox who doesn’t realize he’s long, always making himself smaller and never taking it to the rack properly.

I don’t know why they loved Obi. He’s lateral quickness is non existent and he isn’t explosively dunking on people. He should be dominating guys, but he gets in the post and it’s fumble central.

We need to come away with two real rotation players in this draft. You can’t have 3 lottery picks in 4 years not contributing. Throw DSJR in their as well. Why we didn’t ask for Jalen Brunson is bananas.

Toppin had no "summer league". Missed his share of games due to injury. Court time has been very limited. Too early IMO to call the pick a mistake.

He really just needs some NBA weight training. His passing for a big is elite and I think he could thrive as a PF.

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1/31/2021  9:54 AM
The lack of a handle and overall aggression is whats holding Knox back from advancing his game. He is a straight line dribbler with no counter moves or change of direction. Once he gets cut off, he picks up his dribble and kicks it out or turns it over...

When he does he to the basket, instead of making himself bigger or using all of his 6'8 frame, he shrinks trying to avoid a blocked shot. Outside of knocking down open looks more consistently than last year, I don't see much much more improvement in his game from last year.
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1/31/2021  9:58 AM
GustavBahler wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:Mikal would of been perfect to put next to Barrett. Draft picks are great, but when you keep pissing them away like the Knicks have you can get stuck on the treadmill. We already have gotten nothing from Frank and Knox. My eye tells me Obi won't do much either

Surprised you're already calling it with Toppin. Id wait until we see the backcourt settled. RJ has been the only reliable player. Quickley is up and down like most rooks. Their job is to get Obi the ball where he can do the most damage. Dont really see any plays being run for him.

Cant wait to see what Toppin does when we have a real floor general running the offense. Quickley isnt ready, but its looking very good. Maybe the FO can get us some help in the meantime.

Agreed about the lack of plays being run for Obi...When he's out there, he just floats around on the perimeter as if he's strictly a floor spacer....

At the point, the coaching staff is not putting him positions to succeed. Obi needs to be running pick n rolls for the most part, and should see more time in the dunked spot/ short corner as thats where he's most comfortable at this point of his development.
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1/31/2021  10:41 AM
Uptown wrote:The lack of a handle and overall aggression is whats holding Knox back from advancing his game. He is a straight line dribbler with no counter moves or change of direction. Once he gets cut off, he picks up his dribble and kicks it out or turns it over...

When he does he to the basket, instead of making himself bigger or using all of his 6'8 frame, he shrinks trying to avoid a blocked shot. Outside of knocking down open looks more consistently than last year, I don't see much much more improvement in his game from last year.

This sums it up for me. When his shot isn’t falling, how else can he contribute to the game? I still believe that if he has confident he can turn it around but there’s still much work to be done

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1/31/2021  10:47 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/31/2021  10:48 AM
Why not give obi a chance at 5 in a 4-1 set. I think part of an issue is he’s not the lead lob object— he’s forced outside
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1/31/2021  11:16 AM
Knox is still so young, I’d still give him a year or two. but looks like thibs is putting him on a short leash... he made a bad drive to the basket and pissed thibs off ... pulled immediately, same when he makes lapses on defense.

Obi is behind our best player so it’s hard for him to get into a rhythm... I’d like to see randle get a rest on a back to back and play obi some minutes... I also wonder if there being careful that he doesn’t tweak his calf again.

Obi is going to be really good, and obviously quick is the steal of the draft . I’d give the front office a A+ for this year... and with the change to the FO I don’t think we are going to miss on picks like we have in the past.

We’re pretty much set in a lot of spots.


Mitch,Noah
Randle, Obi
Barrett, knox
BlAnk, blank
Quick, blank

To me we need to look at the 2 guard and back up PG

I like Noah off the bench but after we address those weak points we should look at a stretch 5 or a big bully to back up Mitch.

Fill the blanks with shooters and playmakers or if the better player is a SF you can move Barrett back to the 2 .
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