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Philc1
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12/13/2020  7:53 PM
I keep hearing Ntilikina can't shoot. The guy is Steph Curry as a shooter compared to Elfrid Payton and his 20% 3pt and DSJ and his 29% 3pt FG.

Frank is an excellent defender. DSJ and Payton can't guard me. Enough of this stupidity already is Isiah back to running things again?
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12/13/2020  8:29 PM
Philc1 wrote:I keep hearing Ntilikina can't shoot. The guy is Steph Curry as a shooter compared to Elfrid Payton and his 20% 3pt and DSJ and his 29% 3pt FG.

Frank is an excellent defender. DSJ and Payton can't guard me. Enough of this stupidity already is Isiah back to running things again?

I guess Frank can lead us on the path to Cade as well as anybody. Joking aside, DSJ is the ideal tank commander.

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12/13/2020  8:53 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/13/2020  8:53 PM
DSJ is so bad. Frank is solid but can’t start him because he’s really not a PG. And Burks honestly looks like an excellent complimentary wing in the lineup.
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12/13/2020  11:57 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/13/2020  11:58 PM
The lineup is:
Frank PG
Burks SG
RJ SF
Randle PF
Nerlens C

Enough offense and defense to get us in, and keep us in the game.

Working on a 2nd unit, I'm leaning towards:

Payton
Quickley
Obi
Mitch
Who's the 2nd unit SF? Knox?

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12/14/2020  12:55 AM
The defense isn't the problem right now the problem is the point guards can't score right now.
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12/14/2020  12:57 AM
Frank has been really well more as a 3&D SG. Let’s let him continue in a role that actually suits him
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12/14/2020  1:02 AM
I love the role Frank is playing in now. We can keep him long term if he excels in this role. He is not a starting PG and damn, we need not only a starting PG but a back-up as well.
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12/14/2020  8:11 AM
Frank is sluggish with the ball. I like him better as a secondary ball handler....With that said, he has the D, but he needs to start making 3's at a consistent clip before we can call him a 3 & D player.

We already know what Payton is at this point of his career, so I'm hoping he sits out at least one of these final pre-season games and we get an extended look at Quickley at the point.
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12/14/2020  12:15 PM
frank is like 9th on the depth chart, he has barely brought the ball up court in the first 2 preseason game, and did not look much different than his last 3 seasons

Once Rivers is healthy you think they will bench DSJ, Looks like they want him in the Backup pg role.

A 3 & D guy is a zone buster, Frank DSJ, Mitch and Knox are the reason teams play Zone against us.

We have to get rid of these guys, or thibs is going to struggle with this rotation like the last few coaches.

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12/14/2020  12:57 PM
knicks1248 wrote:frank is like 9th on the depth chart, he has barely brought the ball up court in the first 2 preseason game, and did not look much different than his last 3 seasons

Once Rivers is healthy you think they will bench DSJ, Looks like they want him in the Backup pg role.

A 3 & D guy is a zone buster, Frank DSJ, Mitch and Knox are the reason teams play Zone against us.

We have to get rid of these guys, or thibs is going to struggle with this rotation like the last few coaches.

We know you’ve been wanting to get rid of Frank and Mitch for years now 😂
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12/14/2020  1:08 PM
It doesn’t really matter who starts at PG given the options currently on the team. Cuz our style of offense which is similar to what Fiz was running. As well as the makeup of the team doesn’t do them any favors. Teams are gonna pack the paint and dare us to beat them with the 3. This will then regulate the players who have the ball in their hands the most to play against their strengths.

Guess they are waiting for an elite type off playmaker to adjust the offense to? Cuz that type of guard probably will demand different sets.

I will say. After Randle refused to pass to Frank when he was wide open for the corner 3 after he just nailed one. After that, for the first time since he’s been on the team I saw him try to work a 2 man game with Frank on like 2-3 straight possessions. Was pretty shocked. Even kicked up the ball to allow him to bring it up. Must have felt bad about not passing it to him earlier.

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12/14/2020  1:41 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:It doesn’t really matter who starts at PG given the options currently on the team. Cuz our style of offense which is similar to what Fiz was running. As well as the makeup of the team doesn’t do them any favors. Teams are gonna pack the paint and dare us to beat them with the 3. This will then regulate the players who have the ball in their hands the most to play against their strengths.

Guess they are waiting for an elite type off playmaker to adjust the offense to? Cuz that type of guard probably will demand different sets.

I will say. After Randle refused to pass to Frank when he was wide open for the corner 3 after he just nailed one. After that, for the first time since he’s been on the team I saw him try to work a 2 man game with Frank on like 2-3 straight possessions. Was pretty shocked. Even kicked up the ball to allow him to bring it up. Must have felt bad about not passing it to him earlier.

Yeah I believe that. It was a pretty selfish move on Randle’s part.

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12/14/2020  1:44 PM
wargames wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:It doesn’t really matter who starts at PG given the options currently on the team. Cuz our style of offense which is similar to what Fiz was running. As well as the makeup of the team doesn’t do them any favors. Teams are gonna pack the paint and dare us to beat them with the 3. This will then regulate the players who have the ball in their hands the most to play against their strengths.

Guess they are waiting for an elite type off playmaker to adjust the offense to? Cuz that type of guard probably will demand different sets.

I will say. After Randle refused to pass to Frank when he was wide open for the corner 3 after he just nailed one. After that, for the first time since he’s been on the team I saw him try to work a 2 man game with Frank on like 2-3 straight possessions. Was pretty shocked. Even kicked up the ball to allow him to bring it up. Must have felt bad about not passing it to him earlier.

Yeah I believe that. It was a pretty selfish move on Randle’s part.

I thought Thibs and his staff pointed it to Randle and that's why he started passing him the ball. My hope is that Thibs will fix the freeze ball by Randle. Now if he can fix the spinovers...
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12/14/2020  1:54 PM
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knicks1248 wrote:frank is like 9th on the depth chart, he has barely brought the ball up court in the first 2 preseason game, and did not look much different than his last 3 seasons

Once Rivers is healthy you think they will bench DSJ, Looks like they want him in the Backup pg role.

A 3 & D guy is a zone buster, Frank DSJ, Mitch and Knox are the reason teams play Zone against us.

We have to get rid of these guys, or thibs is going to struggle with this rotation like the last few coaches.

We know you’ve been wanting to get rid of Frank and Mitch for years now 😂

We are losing a lot of games with them, and are one of the most unattractive destinations in the NBA.

So please enlightened me on why we should be encourage to keep them.

Knox, Frank, Mitch and DSJ will not attract top tier or 2nd tier talent, that's already been established.

They won't be resign unless they have break out yrs,

Ask yourself this, as a player why would i be be pressed to resign with a team who has struggle for 4 seasons to find a role for me, I haven't develop much, we haven't won much and their still looking for guys to replace my production.

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12/14/2020  1:59 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/14/2020  5:58 PM
As mentioned on another thread, we are in trouble if we have to keep debating about who will be starting between Frank, Dennis and Payton.
No secret I thought Frank was a mistake and just a role player. I have learned to appreciate his role especially on defense. But he is still just a good role player. Smith, I thought had what could be successful out of college. An Alpha dog mentality and always on the attack and up tempo. Thought he had the type of attitude needed in NY. Reason why I liked Dotson, Trier and Morris. However, after Dallas decided to go the Luca route along with the treatment he received here last year(during issues), he has turned into a scared player with zero confidence. Think he needs a change of scenery ie Fultz. Payton is what he has been since he came into the league. An under control solid back up PG. Unfortunately, on this team, that is a starting PG. Goal should be to be to trade for an established upper tier PG. That and plenty of shooting. Just do not think any of these three are long term solutions if we want to put together a deep playoff squad. Quickly needs a chance to play but not at PG. Fact is you need a lot of experience to play PG at NBA level. Do not think the whole "played PG in HS" cuts it. He may be better suited for SG.
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12/15/2020  3:15 AM
This season Frank is shooting 66% on his 3's.
I know it's a small sample size, only 2of3.
Let's see if he will find some degree of consistency.
Someone looks like he's been practicing his shot.
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12/15/2020  5:04 AM
We have only 4 preseason games .. Why didn't coach Thibs let the young-core players & rookies be Starters and the first backups in the first 3 preseason games to gain confidence before the regular season starts ???
Frank, RJ, Knox, Obi, MitchRob, 6th Man DSJ, Quickley, Bullock, Brazdeikis, Spellman.
I'm sure no Knicks fan would've been upset not seeing Randle, Payton, Noel, and Noel in the 3 preseason games.

The Knicks performance in the two preseason games have fans wanting to know who's coaching? Fizdale? or Thibs?
DSJ & Knox performance in the two preseason games equal cut-cut or D.League.
The Cavs on Wednesday & Friday are gonna blow-out Thibs Knicks phoney coaching !!!

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12/15/2020  6:59 AM
Uptown wrote:Frank is sluggish with the ball. I like him better as a secondary ball handler....With that said, he has the D, but he needs to start making 3's at a consistent clip before we can call him a 3 & D player.

We already know what Payton is at this point of his career, so I'm hoping he sits out at least one of these final pre-season games and we get an extended look at Quickley at the point.

Thats just one of his issues. Frank is slow pushing the pace, weak handle, can't dribble penetrate. Payton is by far the best PG on the roster. That being said Payton sux. I would give Quickley the job just because he can shoot

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12/15/2020  8:23 AM
Would love to see Frank and/or DSJr make a case to start. Would make things easier for the team. Unfortunately, dont believe either one has yet to make a case. Still early though.
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12/15/2020  8:33 AM
GustavBahler wrote:Would love to see Frank and/or DSJr make a case to start. Would make things easier for the team. Unfortunately, dont believe either one has yet to make a case. Still early though.
Untill they give Frank a chance to actually run the PG spot can we really say that he didn't make a case.
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