This is usually when we do a full reset and jetison the youth movement, with a new regime. For once that hasnt happened, yet anyway.

Barrett is a born leader. I see him being more vocal this year.

BRIGGS wrote:I’m not sure Toppin and Robinson is a good match
But we definitely have two good physical young players
We’ll have to see about Robinson although he has excellent potential himself
I’m not sure we’re gonna win too many games
But atleast there is something to tune in for this year
Have to see if other guys layers like Knox etc. can finally be a better part

I don't quite understand why you don't see a fit...

Barrett and Toppin are attack oriented players and high octane... throw Chandler into the mix... I think we pretty much just need to add a playmaker and support guys that can shoot. We're an unfinished product. Just take a look at the guys that will be here for sure in 2-3 years... I think Toppin and Barrett fit essentially because I could see them playing for Lob City or Nash's Suns...

Philc1 wrote:wierd. I keep getting told the Knicks have the league’s worst roster

The rest of the guys are cast offs but good role players. Rivers, Noel and Bullock are all guys that have deadline values to teams looking to bolster depth down the stretch. If we are able to get another late first rounder for one of them thats a huge win. Thats how you get lucky and find a VanVleet or Jimmy Butler type late in the draft, but having extra picks

BRIGGS wrote:

Nalod wrote:Briggs saw some comps to Amare and then stuck on clogging the middle.

This has merit. But at end of day let’s go with what we have. Hopefully upside surprise. If they worked well together and we can win games — that’s better

When we do comparisons we usually pick the player's ceiling and we find someone in the NBA who has achieved such ceiling already. Meaning we always compare players to their BETTER versions in the NBA. So by this logic Amare is Toppin's ceiling. Well the truth is far from it.

A) shooting : Amare is a much worse shooter from 3( more like Julius Randle ) Obi is already better from 3
B) post moves : Amare has no post game to speak of. I know he tried that one year, he even worked with Oladjuwon. The result in the following season was a jumbo dose of spinovers before they became popularized by Randle ( Obi is already better)
C) finishing at the bucket: when Amare had Nash PnRing everyone to death he was super. Without Nash he was exposed and had to develop a mid range shot( which he did for all of half a season before Melo came)since without PnR he could not even get to the basket to finish, so this might be a draw.
D) Passing : Amare was a great example of a black hole( Randle says hello again) Obi is already a better passer.
E) Defense: yay, finally a good comparison, they are actually very similar in their deficiencies.

So out of 5 areas Topping is better at 3 and it's a draw at 2

P.s. I didn't realize that Randle is Amare 2.0 but yet that seems to be the case with Randle being a better rebounder.

ramtour420 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Nalod wrote:Briggs saw some comps to Amare and then stuck on clogging the middle.

This has merit. But at end of day let’s go with what we have. Hopefully upside surprise. If they worked well together and we can win games — that’s better

Let me go on record here and say that Amare comparison is a poor one. I know ,I know , that's what everyone and their mother say about him, but hear me out pls.

When we do comparisons we usually pick the player's ceiling and we find someone in the NBA who has achieved such ceiling already. Meaning we always compare players to their BETTER versions in the NBA. So by this logic Amare is Toppin's ceiling. Well the truth is far from it.

A) shooting : Amare is a much worse shooter from 3( more like Julius Randle ) Obi is already better from 3
B) post moves : Amare has no post game to speak of. I know he tried that one year, he even worked with Oladjuwon. The result in the following season was a jumbo dose of spinovers before they became popularized by Randle ( Obi is already better)
C) finishing at the bucket: when Amare had Nash PnRing everyone to death he was super. Without Nash he was exposed and had to develop a mid range shot( which he did for all of half a season before Melo came)since without PnR he could not even get to the basket to finish, so this might be a draw.
D) Passing : Amare was a great example of a black hole( Randle says hello again) Obi is already a better passer.
E) Defense: yay, finally a good comparison, they are actually very similar in their deficiencies.

So out of 5 areas Topping is better at 3 and it's a draw at 2

P.s. I didn't realize that Randle is Amare 2.0 but yet that seems to be the case with Randle being a better rebounder.

fishmike wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

Dupe wrote:Amare’s pnr was a thing of beauty. I can see there is hope for that comp. While Toppin will need to hit some from the outside, I’m still expecting a lot of LJ from him down low.

If Obi becomes Amare 2.0 it would be a disappointment because he would need to regress in 3 areas and not improve in 2.

Im sorry we talking the Amare the played in the Israeli league a couple years ago or Amare in his 20s?