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Are we really that worse off with Obi than Zion?
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Allanfan20
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11/24/2020  6:16 PM
Listen, I love Zion and I hope he gets himself in shape and becomes one of the best players in the world. However, based on the college careers we saw and the skillset they both possess, I don’t think it’s that silly to say that right this second, it’s not currently worse to have Obi.

I also think RJ has the avenue to take-off with Obi being a good passer AND shooter. This pairing has potential and I am surprised I didn’t think of RJ and Zion earlier. Obi and RJ can actually make a better pairing than Zion and RJ.

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11/24/2020  6:33 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:Listen, I love Zion and I hope he gets himself in shape and becomes one of the best players in the world. However, based on the college careers we saw and the skillset they both possess, I don’t think it’s that silly to say that right this second, it’s not currently worse to have Obi.

I also think RJ has the avenue to take-off with Obi being a good passer AND shooter. This pairing has potential and I am surprised I didn’t think of RJ and Zion earlier. Obi and RJ can actually make a better pairing than Zion and RJ.

Don't do this to yourself man hahaha 23 points a game on 60% shooting in 28 minutes a game. Shaq level dominance. I would offer to trade the entire Knicks roster for Zion and the Pelicans would laugh at me while taking a crap and hang up.

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11/24/2020  6:59 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:Listen, I love Zion and I hope he gets himself in shape and becomes one of the best players in the world. However, based on the college careers we saw and the skillset they both possess, I don’t think it’s that silly to say that right this second, it’s not currently worse to have Obi.

I also think RJ has the avenue to take-off with Obi being a good passer AND shooter. This pairing has potential and I am surprised I didn’t think of RJ and Zion earlier. Obi and RJ can actually make a better pairing than Zion and RJ.

Don't do this to yourself man hahaha 23 points a game on 60% shooting in 28 minutes a game. Shaq level dominance. I would offer to trade the entire Knicks roster for Zion and the Pelicans would laugh at me while taking a crap and hang up.

Shaq was able to have an incredibly long career for a guy of his built. Most centers can't even stay on the court at much lower weight. I can't imagine with the amount of force those ligaments and tendons would have to hold through. I understand that each body type is individual and all but still. Shaq didn't need to really jump. Zion on the other hand...why didn't Allan Houston's knees hold up but Ray Allen's did.

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11/24/2020  6:59 PM
Yeah Zion is a damn tank. Assuming he has a healthy career he's 100% a future all star
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11/24/2020  6:59 PM
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Allanfan20 wrote:Listen, I love Zion and I hope he gets himself in shape and becomes one of the best players in the world. However, based on the college careers we saw and the skillset they both possess, I don’t think it’s that silly to say that right this second, it’s not currently worse to have Obi.

I also think RJ has the avenue to take-off with Obi being a good passer AND shooter. This pairing has potential and I am surprised I didn’t think of RJ and Zion earlier. Obi and RJ can actually make a better pairing than Zion and RJ.

Don't do this to yourself man hahaha 23 points a game on 60% shooting in 28 minutes a game. Shaq level dominance. I would offer to trade the entire Knicks roster for Zion and the Pelicans would laugh at me while taking a crap and hang up.

You’ll be pulling this post up in 1 year just to say “You know, thank you Allanfan for such a daring take that turned out to be so true.”

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11/24/2020  7:06 PM
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BigDaddyG wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:Listen, I love Zion and I hope he gets himself in shape and becomes one of the best players in the world. However, based on the college careers we saw and the skillset they both possess, I don’t think it’s that silly to say that right this second, it’s not currently worse to have Obi.

I also think RJ has the avenue to take-off with Obi being a good passer AND shooter. This pairing has potential and I am surprised I didn’t think of RJ and Zion earlier. Obi and RJ can actually make a better pairing than Zion and RJ.

Don't do this to yourself man hahaha 23 points a game on 60% shooting in 28 minutes a game. Shaq level dominance. I would offer to trade the entire Knicks roster for Zion and the Pelicans would laugh at me while taking a crap and hang up.

Shaq was able to have an incredibly long career for a guy of his built. Most centers can't even stay on the court at much lower weight. I can't imagine with the amount of force those ligaments and tendons would have to hold through. I understand that each body type is individual and all but still. Shaq didn't need to really jump. Zion on the other hand...why didn't Allan Houston's knees hold up but Ray Allen's did.

I think the Allan Houston vs Ray Allen/Rip Hamilton/Reggie Miller example was a matter of natural selection. All 4 of those guys were in fabulous shape during their careers. The Shaq example is a mystery. Maybe he didn’t have to jump so much but he did take a pounding considering his entire career was in the low post.

I hope Zion will be able to withstand that pounding... because it’s coming.

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11/24/2020  7:13 PM
Zion could probably play all 5 positions. And he plays D. Would be happy if Obi played well enough to be a ROY finalist.
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11/24/2020  7:16 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:Listen, I love Zion and I hope he gets himself in shape and becomes one of the best players in the world. However, based on the college careers we saw and the skillset they both possess, I don’t think it’s that silly to say that right this second, it’s not currently worse to have Obi.

I also think RJ has the avenue to take-off with Obi being a good passer AND shooter. This pairing has potential and I am surprised I didn’t think of RJ and Zion earlier. Obi and RJ can actually make a better pairing than Zion and RJ.

Don't do this to yourself man hahaha 23 points a game on 60% shooting in 28 minutes a game. Shaq level dominance. I would offer to trade the entire Knicks roster for Zion and the Pelicans would laugh at me while taking a crap and hang up.


I would trade for college Zion...not NBA...Louisiana cooking...gumbo fed Zion....also him and RJ were special at Duke...
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11/24/2020  7:17 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/24/2020  7:47 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:Listen, I love Zion and I hope he gets himself in shape and becomes one of the best players in the world. However, based on the college careers we saw and the skillset they both possess, I don’t think it’s that silly to say that right this second, it’s not currently worse to have Obi.

I also think RJ has the avenue to take-off with Obi being a good passer AND shooter. This pairing has potential and I am surprised I didn’t think of RJ and Zion earlier. Obi and RJ can actually make a better pairing than Zion and RJ.


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11/24/2020  7:43 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/24/2020  7:48 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:Listen, I love Zion and I hope he gets himself in shape and becomes one of the best players in the world. However, based on the college careers we saw and the skillset they both possess, I don’t think it’s that silly to say that right this second, it’s not currently worse to have Obi.

I also think RJ has the avenue to take-off with Obi being a good passer AND shooter. This pairing has potential and I am surprised I didn’t think of RJ and Zion earlier. Obi and RJ can actually make a better pairing than Zion and RJ.


Zion can guard 5 positions. Obi can't guard 1. Obi has very poor lateral agility. I think he might have to play center
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11/24/2020  8:05 PM
A healthy Zion is amazing. BUT... he still walks like a weeble wobble and seems to be a bit of an injury risk. But if he stays healthy, he has HoF type potential - he has good awareness on both sides of the court.

If Obi-1 is Amare Stoudemire (2002 #9 overall pick) all over again, that's a potential HoF too. Amare didn't develop a post game or outside game until late in his career - after a few knee "tune ups". Obi-1 is a bit more advanced in that regard. He has a few effective post moves, can spin a bit and already has a serviceable perimeter shot. Plus he's already more than twice the passer Amare ever was.

Obi-1 like Amare doesn't have great defensive awareness, but with his length and athleticism is good for a highlight block every game (generally of the impressive, but useless sort that goes out of bounds).

Another analogy - the college Kenyon Martin was very impressive. He was (listed as) 6'10", pure power, totally dominant, larger than life. In the NBA, he shrunk to 6'8" (ha!) and didn't have the physical advantages as expected... and while he had his moments, he was merely a very good borderline all-star at his best.

But yeah. We haven't seen him on the court yet against pros, so we don't know. Some guys just have it, some don't. Another off the wall analogy (totally different players, I know) Carlos Boozer was another player from the 2002 draft - he feel like a rock in the draft (2nd round pick, #35)... but made a few all-star teams and could have done more if not for frequent injuries. (incidentally, they're #1 and #2 in WS's for that fabled class that included Yao Ming as the 1st pick)

But hey, years later Shelden Williams was another Duke product, similar size, skills (in college) to Boozer, but was a bust for a 1st round #5 pick overall. Sometimes players pass the eye test in college but can't find themselves in the NBA.

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11/24/2020  9:17 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:Listen, I love Zion and I hope he gets himself in shape and becomes one of the best players in the world. However, based on the college careers we saw and the skillset they both possess, I don’t think it’s that silly to say that right this second, it’s not currently worse to have Obi.

I also think RJ has the avenue to take-off with Obi being a good passer AND shooter. This pairing has potential and I am surprised I didn’t think of RJ and Zion earlier. Obi and RJ can actually make a better pairing than Zion and RJ.

Don't do this to yourself man hahaha 23 points a game on 60% shooting in 28 minutes a game. Shaq level dominance. I would offer to trade the entire Knicks roster for Zion and the Pelicans would laugh at me while taking a crap and hang up.

You’ll be pulling this post up in 1 year just to say “You know, thank you Allanfan for such a daring take that turned out to be so true.”

It wouldn't be my first bad take. I thought Anthony Bennet was going to be solid starter in the NBA. But I'm gonna let OB1 develop at his own pace and remember this thread whenever Zion bowls over OB1 like Grizzly running through a field of fawns. I just hope is smart enough to move out the way.

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11/24/2020  9:24 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:Listen, I love Zion and I hope he gets himself in shape and becomes one of the best players in the world. However, based on the college careers we saw and the skillset they both possess, I don’t think it’s that silly to say that right this second, it’s not currently worse to have Obi.

I also think RJ has the avenue to take-off with Obi being a good passer AND shooter. This pairing has potential and I am surprised I didn’t think of RJ and Zion earlier. Obi and RJ can actually make a better pairing than Zion and RJ.

We know that Obi is a much better shooter and probably fits better for that reason. He also should play more career games even being 2 years older. Obviously Zion is a franchise player but can he play enough games? I love the Obi skill set though. Really hoping he can develop into a KAT-type offensive talent in terms of perimeter shooting and finishing.

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11/24/2020  9:25 PM
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Allanfan20 wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:Listen, I love Zion and I hope he gets himself in shape and becomes one of the best players in the world. However, based on the college careers we saw and the skillset they both possess, I don’t think it’s that silly to say that right this second, it’s not currently worse to have Obi.

I also think RJ has the avenue to take-off with Obi being a good passer AND shooter. This pairing has potential and I am surprised I didn’t think of RJ and Zion earlier. Obi and RJ can actually make a better pairing than Zion and RJ.

Don't do this to yourself man hahaha 23 points a game on 60% shooting in 28 minutes a game. Shaq level dominance. I would offer to trade the entire Knicks roster for Zion and the Pelicans would laugh at me while taking a crap and hang up.

You’ll be pulling this post up in 1 year just to say “You know, thank you Allanfan for such a daring take that turned out to be so true.”

It wouldn't be my first bad take. I thought Anthony Bennet was going to be solid starter in the NBA. But I'm gonna let OB1 develop at his own pace and remember this thread whenever Zion bowls over OB1 like Grizzly running through a field of fawns. I just hope is smart enough to move out the way.

Just take the charge. It wont be that bad.

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11/24/2020  10:05 PM
Now Ja on the other hand....
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11/24/2020  10:10 PM
KnickDanger wrote:Now Ja on the other hand....

Stop tugging at my heart strings over there.

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11/25/2020  3:55 AM
KnickDanger wrote:Now Ja on the other hand....

Best player of that draft by far. Zion will be retired in 5 years

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11/25/2020  3:57 AM
Knixkik wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:Listen, I love Zion and I hope he gets himself in shape and becomes one of the best players in the world. However, based on the college careers we saw and the skillset they both possess, I don’t think it’s that silly to say that right this second, it’s not currently worse to have Obi.

I also think RJ has the avenue to take-off with Obi being a good passer AND shooter. This pairing has potential and I am surprised I didn’t think of RJ and Zion earlier. Obi and RJ can actually make a better pairing than Zion and RJ.

We know that Obi is a much better shooter and probably fits better for that reason. He also should play more career games even being 2 years older. Obviously Zion is a franchise player but can he play enough games? I love the Obi skill set though. Really hoping he can develop into a KAT-type offensive talent in terms of perimeter shooting and finishing.

It’s all about outside shooting and availability. Zion is 19 years old and on a minutes restriction. Not a good signing. His knees are going to take a pounding trying to play a full 82 game season


Yes, I’d rather have Obi

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11/25/2020  8:05 AM
Philc1 wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:Listen, I love Zion and I hope he gets himself in shape and becomes one of the best players in the world. However, based on the college careers we saw and the skillset they both possess, I don’t think it’s that silly to say that right this second, it’s not currently worse to have Obi.

I also think RJ has the avenue to take-off with Obi being a good passer AND shooter. This pairing has potential and I am surprised I didn’t think of RJ and Zion earlier. Obi and RJ can actually make a better pairing than Zion and RJ.

We know that Obi is a much better shooter and probably fits better for that reason. He also should play more career games even being 2 years older. Obviously Zion is a franchise player but can he play enough games? I love the Obi skill set though. Really hoping he can develop into a KAT-type offensive talent in terms of perimeter shooting and finishing.

It’s all about outside shooting and availability. Zion is 19 years old and on a minutes restriction. Not a good signing. His knees are going to take a pounding trying to play a full 82 game season


Yes, I’d rather have Obi

Yeah I have to agree about the shooting and availability. I’m really hoping Obi is one of those success stories where teams focused so much on his age and defensive struggles that they forgot he’s a really good player and he ends up as a perennial all star.

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11/25/2020  8:08 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/25/2020  8:10 AM
maybe......but i am good with it this year. we have one of the youngest rosters in the league so it will be a struggle. not many vets who can mentor like morris and gibson last year so it is showtime for the young guns and they will have their bumps. thibs will spend this year teaching a great foundation and it will take time. however, this is the year to be bad because of this upcoming draft so im fine. we wont get any great free agents next year because we are bad so get some draft capital and look to trade a disgruntled star next year which will happen.

correction: wrong thread. this was for the roster analysis. sorry long week.

Are we really that worse off with Obi than Zion?

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