The solution is on our roster

TheGame wrote:The team always looked better with Frank on the floor. The defense was better, and the ball moved more on offense. In the last six games, Frank was shooting around .444 from the field and about .350 from 3 pt. If he can maintain that and improve next season, he could have a big year.

If you watch both Dallas games, Frank was a pest to Luka Doncic and he even was able to effectively defend Porzingis one on one when he came out to guard him

I’m not expecting any flashy free agents but that’s fine. Draft a good shooter at 8 like Nesmith or Vassell and sign a guy like Bertans to play the 4

Next year:

PG: Frank
SG: Nesmith or Vassell
SF: RJ
PF: Bertans
C: Mitch

GustavBahler wrote:Our "solution" has to be able to handle more than 20 minutes a game. Knicks still dont know if that issue has been resolved. Frank's had groin issues since before his first game as a Knick. Missed a lot of games. Was having them before the season ended, this year.

Those numbers mean nothing if Frank cant keep the D honest. That remains to be seen. Id like to see how both Frank and DSJr spent their off time. Too much time will have passed when these guys come back, to put much stock in their plus/minus pre-pandemic. In front of crowds.

Investing another second in DSJ is Failzdale all over again. Stop the madness.

Frankie and Payton are on their way. Resign Dotson.

Package DSJ for a doorstop.

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Jimbo5 wrote:With a beefed up Analytics department, would you think any of these statistics will get the attention of the front office and the coaching staff? Will these inputs be taken into consideration when it comes to the players that they will resign, allow to walk or trade? I hope what ever moves they make in the offseason is backed up by the analytics department and not just their personal sentiments.

Nice to see new posters, but OP will need to give greater context when he's using stats like this.

Even RAPM has inherent flaws in it. Dotson also had that shoulder thing which spins the context some. There's also context for usage when a coach realizes he's fighting for his job for the next two weeks and not just at the end of the season.

In short, there is nothing wrong with giving Dotson extended burn, esp with the Knicks talent situation, but part the larger overall problem is signing veterans who have no retrade value. To be fair, most Tier 4/5 guys, where the Knicks have to shop, have no retrade value no matter what. Having 4-5 guys at contracts at like 8-9 million is actually a tax on auditioning players still in their prime developmental window. Middle class contracts are death to a perpetually losing team.

I'm not so sure you're wrong or that I disagree so much.

In terms of free agency I think the Knicks, while not in a great position of attraction, can shop wisely.

First, bring back Payton and Dotson. They know the teammates. They are no worse than the Tier 4/5 guys that get promoted (Augustine?, Teague?... there's a parade of retreads) - NO. Let's stick with known quality. Team chemistry can't be signed in free agency and you get that with Payton and Dotson that you wouldn't with hitch-hiking FAs whose best years are in the rear-view mirror.

Sign Morris. He's another team player, great chemistry, wants to be here. Passing that opportunity up would be a sin in the eyes of the basketball gods who already have us on their shiitt list.

The Knicks will make obligatory passes at FVV and others but this seems more like an exercise in acquiring trophy status than building a winner.

I do like the Christian Wood idea. It's risky and we often get burned but its rational, big upside, and a nice age-group fit. The risk is unanticipated baggage. But we are talking about the NBA.

By far the hardest problem to solve is not players we can/should acquire - it's the players we need to jettison sooner than later.

I think if we do make draft day deals, wrapping a pick (preferably one of this year's) with Randle, DSJ, or Knox for anything useful should be a priority. The business the Knicks have to get out of is being a hopeless player pound. NY is not good at being a halfway house for anyone.

Knixkik wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

TheGame wrote:The team always looked better with Frank on the floor. The defense was better, and the ball moved more on offense. In the last six games, Frank was shooting around .444 from the field and about .350 from 3 pt. If he can maintain that and improve next season, he could have a big year.

If you watch both Dallas games, Frank was a pest to Luka Doncic and he even was able to effectively defend Porzingis one on one when he came out to guard him

I’m not expecting any flashy free agents but that’s fine. Draft a good shooter at 8 like Nesmith or Vassell and sign a guy like Bertans to play the 4

Next year:

PG: Frank
SG: Nesmith or Vassell
SF: RJ
PF: Bertans
C: Mitch

That’s a solid option for me. I like Nesmith or Vassell (Vassell is my #1) as a plug and play wing alongside Barrett. My top 2 FA options are VanVleet and Bertans. If we strike out on VanVleet but are fortunate enough to land Bertans, than i feel like knicks will need to bring in a stopgap PG starter like Augustin, Teague or trade for Schroder, which places Ntilikina as the backup but leaves the option for him to start if he comes into the season with an improved 3pt shot and more confidence on offense. I’m rooting for Frank, he just needs to make a big jump to be more than a solid backup.

I doubt Van Vleet comes here but Bertans is a possibility. If not Bertans, we could sign Melo to a one year deal. He’s still a competent stretch 4

Philc1 wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Our "solution" has to be able to handle more than 20 minutes a game. Knicks still dont know if that issue has been resolved. Frank's had groin issues since before his first game as a Knick. Missed a lot of games. Was having them before the season ended, this year.

Those numbers mean nothing if Frank cant keep the D honest. That remains to be seen. Id like to see how both Frank and DSJr spent their off time. Too much time will have passed when these guys come back, to put much stock in their plus/minus pre-pandemic. In front of crowds.

Investing another second in DSJ is Failzdale all over again. Stop the madness.

Frankie and Payton are on their way. Resign Dotson.

Package DSJ for a doorstop.

We really need to get rid of DSJ

Yeah, this is not a talent potential issue. The kid has the tools.

My observation is that he's an irreconcilable head case with the attention span of a gerbil.

Last year he came in claiming a summer of hard work and shot refinement that would wow us. -crickets-

I refuse to believe a word this kid says. And I firmly believe wasting a second of time in further "development", "rehabilitation", or any other such nonsense is anything less than grand theft from other Knicks players.

In GM terms, I would not mind seeing the Knicks move Randall, DSJ, and Knox to Philadelphia for Horford, Thybulle, and picks. Seems "fair" enough given the needs, money disparity, and whatnot. Horford could work well-enough here and Thybulle is a nice Knox replacement.

fwk00 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Our "solution" has to be able to handle more than 20 minutes a game. Knicks still dont know if that issue has been resolved. Frank's had groin issues since before his first game as a Knick. Missed a lot of games. Was having them before the season ended, this year.

Those numbers mean nothing if Frank cant keep the D honest. That remains to be seen. Id like to see how both Frank and DSJr spent their off time. Too much time will have passed when these guys come back, to put much stock in their plus/minus pre-pandemic. In front of crowds.

Investing another second in DSJ is Failzdale all over again. Stop the madness.

Frankie and Payton are on their way. Resign Dotson.

Package DSJ for a doorstop.

Thats silly. DSJs trade value couldnt be lower. Was a big part of the trade. The very least you do ia see if he is really 100 pct. Which he hasnt been in mind or body since he was traded.
If Smith jr exceeds expectations, you keep him. If the Knicks believe they can get a good deal for Smith jr, but the team is set at PG, trade him.

Your predictions about Frank are right now wishful thinking to say the least. Like DSJr, we have to see if Frank can bring some consistency to his game, his offense. We still dont know if either can stay healthy.

GustavBahler wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Our "solution" has to be able to handle more than 20 minutes a game. Knicks still dont know if that issue has been resolved. Frank's had groin issues since before his first game as a Knick. Missed a lot of games. Was having them before the season ended, this year.

Those numbers mean nothing if Frank cant keep the D honest. That remains to be seen. Id like to see how both Frank and DSJr spent their off time. Too much time will have passed when these guys come back, to put much stock in their plus/minus pre-pandemic. In front of crowds.

Investing another second in DSJ is Failzdale all over again. Stop the madness.

Frankie and Payton are on their way. Resign Dotson.

Package DSJ for a doorstop.

Thats silly. DSJs trade value couldnt be lower. Was a big part of the trade. The very least you do ia see if he is really 100 pct. Which he hasnt been in mind or body since he was traded.
If Smith jr exceeds expectations, you keep him. If the Knicks believe they can get a good deal for Smith jr, but the team is set at PG, trade him.

Your predictions about Frank are right now wishful thinking to say the least. Like DSJr, we have to see if Frank can bring some consistency to his game, his offense. We still dont know if either can stay healthy.

Silly. There is no overnight cure for a player whose trade value is circling the toilet. Increasing his trade value would mean throwing good minutes after bad. So what you are saying is play DSJ at the expense of Frankie (who keeps earning his keep) and whoever makes the team as well as the chance of losing early games that may be critical in a potentially shortened season on a player who has done nothing to EARN that consideration. NOTHING.

Even keeping him is a basketball sin. He would be taking a roster spot on a team that can't afford F-ups.

DSJ was just a tease in that trade. *Before the trade* Dallas shopped him to a giant 'No Thanks' from every team including the Knicks.

DSJ's *value* is as fiscal trade ballast. There are teams who might/could use him. We aren't that. He's a relatively inexpensive body who is whole.

That said, an idiot at 100% is still an idiot.

My predictions about *any* 3 -5 year PG is the same - that's when the fun begins - they know the league, they are in the game, they know their limitations and strengths, and so on. We have two such candidates, both of whom have fine futures. Nobody in their right mind throws that away on a lottery ticket.

So - best case - we have both Frankie and Payton AND a draft pick PG that insulates us from the health issue.