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8/24/2020  11:37 AM
VanVleet is a shoe free agent and has multiple suitors for a new deal, sources say. And on the court, expect a strong market for the free-agent-to-be: Detroit, New York and Phoenix are expected to emerge as suitors for VanVleet outside Toronto, sources said. – via Shams Charania @ The Athletic
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8/24/2020  11:58 AM    LAST EDITED: 8/24/2020  11:59 AM
Signing Van Vleet and hopefully getting a starter/rotation player in the draft plus another solid vet via free agency makes us alot better.

Julius, RJ, Mitch starting, van Vleet and another starting calibur player is very intriguing. Not saying playoffs but maybe

Then there's a possibility we trade Julius. Alot can happen.... or not

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8/24/2020  12:12 PM
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8/24/2020  12:20 PM
he would probably pair well with RJ but i strongly suspect he will go for top dollar and we won't see the production Raptors enjoyed
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8/24/2020  12:24 PM
He's a great pairing with RJ and on a Thibs coached team. He's a true 2-way PG at only 26 that can really shoot it. I get that we would have to pay top dollar, but i really don't see how anyone wouldn't want him.
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8/24/2020  12:38 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/24/2020  12:41 PM
Signing Fred and drafting someone like Vassell at least gives you a functional roster to add to over the years (especially if you can get rid of Randle and sign someone like Jerami Grant)

PG- VanVleet / Frank
SG- RJ / Dotson
SF- Vassell / Bullock/ Iggy
PF- Grant / Knox
C- Mitch / Taj

I mean at least you have some spacing and 3 pt shooting to help RJ and Mitch. You have good defenders at every position and off the bench. You have an identity that meshes with Thibs- tough, smart players who play hard. It's nothing earth shattering, but it's different to what we've been doing the last decade, and you can add to it over the coming seasons via the draft.

However Raptors won't let him walk, even if they want cap space in 2021, they'll just sign him to whatever then trade him next offseason.

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8/24/2020  12:40 PM
Nothing about his NBA profile implies he could succeed here under heavy pressure to earn money he cannot possibly justify. If he's smart he stays put where the team cohesion supports his play.

Paying top dollar for Van Fleet is bad GMing.

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8/24/2020  12:42 PM
smackeddog wrote:Signing Fred and drafting someone like Vassell at least gives you a functional roster to add to over the years (especially if you can get rid of Randle and sign someone like Jerami Grant)

PG- VanVleet / Frank
SG- RJ / Dotson
SF- Vassell / Iggy
PF- Grant / Knox
C- Mitch / Taj

I mean at least you have some spacing and 3 pt shooting to help RJ and Mitch. You have good defenders at every position and off the bench. You have an identity that meshes with Thibs- tough, smart players who play hard. It's nothing earth shattering, but it's different to what we've been doing the last decade, and you can add to it over the coming seasons via the draft.

However Raptors won't let him walk, even if they want cap space in 2021, they'll just sign him to whatever then trade him next offseason.

Frank/Peyton makes more sense. Trade Knox.

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8/24/2020  12:54 PM
fwk00 wrote:
smackeddog wrote:Signing Fred and drafting someone like Vassell at least gives you a functional roster to add to over the years (especially if you can get rid of Randle and sign someone like Jerami Grant)

PG- VanVleet / Frank
SG- RJ / Dotson
SF- Vassell / Iggy
PF- Grant / Knox
C- Mitch / Taj

I mean at least you have some spacing and 3 pt shooting to help RJ and Mitch. You have good defenders at every position and off the bench. You have an identity that meshes with Thibs- tough, smart players who play hard. It's nothing earth shattering, but it's different to what we've been doing the last decade, and you can add to it over the coming seasons via the draft.

However Raptors won't let him walk, even if they want cap space in 2021, they'll just sign him to whatever then trade him next offseason.

Frank/Peyton makes more sense. Trade Knox.

How does that make more sense? So you have 4 players who can't shoot in the lineup?

Payton can't shoot and just dribbles round in circles and passes to Randle (for some reason he refuses to pass to RJ- only Randle). I can't take another season of that

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8/24/2020  12:56 PM
fwk00 wrote:Nothing about his NBA profile implies he could succeed here under heavy pressure to earn money he cannot possibly justify. If he's smart he stays put where the team cohesion supports his play.

Paying top dollar for Van Fleet is bad GMing.

Pressure= playoffs, an environment in which he thrives. He played great all the way to the finals last year. He is clutch. Thats as good an indicator that he can play under pressure as you can get

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8/24/2020  1:10 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/24/2020  1:52 PM
8th pick vassel or neismith (figure it out scouts)does Neismith offensive upside shot production outweigh his defense? The difference between these two is just that vassel Defense is better but his shot is probably slightly less than neismith.
27th pick Jaden McDaniel(looking for upside. We need talent) or trade/negotiate down for Kira
39Th pick Cassius Winston or Nico Mannion or Theo Maledon
I don’t like van fleet price. Willing to take a look at
Jared Harper, Ntilikina, Lamar peters and one of the three pgs above we draft.
Plenty of cash in free agency and use all picks next year to get a difference maker in the 2021 draft.


Wouldn’t be upset if toppin or Hayes slides to us at 8th.

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8/24/2020  1:38 PM
smackeddog wrote:Signing Fred and drafting someone like Vassell at least gives you a functional roster to add to over the years (especially if you can get rid of Randle and sign someone like Jerami Grant)

PG- VanVleet / Frank
SG- RJ / Dotson
SF- Vassell / Bullock/ Iggy
PF- Grant / Knox
C- Mitch / Taj

I mean at least you have some spacing and 3 pt shooting to help RJ and Mitch. You have good defenders at every position and off the bench. You have an identity that meshes with Thibs- tough, smart players who play hard. It's nothing earth shattering, but it's different to what we've been doing the last decade, and you can add to it over the coming seasons via the draft.

However Raptors won't let him walk, even if they want cap space in 2021, they'll just sign him to whatever then trade him next offseason.

This is a roster i can really get behind. I think drafting Vassell and signing VanVleet and Grant are big steps in the right direction. Another guy i would look at for a bloated 1-year deal is Bryn Forbes. He's this year's Seth Curry in terms of undervalued shooting option. I'll make these moves even without moving Randle and move him to 6th man. We have plenty of money.

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8/24/2020  1:43 PM
meet dotsons qualifying offer. Shouldn’t be more than 7m.
This roster can compete for a playoff spot. I’m just not sure about vanfleets price tag.
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8/24/2020  1:51 PM
xblvdels3 wrote:8th pick vassel or neismith
27th pick Jaden McDaniel or trade/negotiate down for Kira
39Th pick Cassius Winston or Nico Mannion or Theo Maledon
I don’t like van fleet price. Willing to take a look at
Jared Harper, Ntilikina, Lamar peters and one of the three pgs above we draft.
Plenty of cash in free agency and use all picks next year to get a difference maker in the 2021 draft.


Wouldn’t be upset if toppin or Hayes slides to us at 8th.

There's going to be a large price to pay in order to become a winning team.

You think DOLAN didn't have to pay a small fortune to Get Leon to leave his massively successful Agency, or the other 2 assistant that were extremely happy in their current positions(kentucky, utah and cleveland),or World wide WES who is also super successful without the knicks.

Leon is Putting together a group of specialist in Regards to Cap, Development, Negotiations, Scouting, player relations.

This is BY FAR the most thought out and well put together FRONT OFFICE and coaching staff I have seen this organization assemble, and I expect the same with the roster.

We got HIGHLY connected people in the front office, when has that ever happen in knick land

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8/24/2020  1:57 PM
I agree. This is it. They have to make the right choice right now.
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8/24/2020  3:13 PM
If anything this is the front office's first real test to see what type of influence they have. Can they get a player like FVV who’s a borderline star to leave a great situation for the Knicks.
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8/24/2020  4:51 PM
Knixkik wrote:If anything this is the front office's first real test to see what type of influence they have. Can they get a player like FVV who’s a borderline star to leave a great situation for the Knicks.

Well from the looks of the coaching staff and FO, they aren't having trouble convincing people to join..lol

Im sure most ppl would leave their current jobs for a cool mill bump up in salary

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8/24/2020  7:12 PM
smackeddog wrote:
fwk00 wrote:
smackeddog wrote:Signing Fred and drafting someone like Vassell at least gives you a functional roster to add to over the years (especially if you can get rid of Randle and sign someone like Jerami Grant)

PG- VanVleet / Frank
SG- RJ / Dotson
SF- Vassell / Iggy
PF- Grant / Knox
C- Mitch / Taj

I mean at least you have some spacing and 3 pt shooting to help RJ and Mitch. You have good defenders at every position and off the bench. You have an identity that meshes with Thibs- tough, smart players who play hard. It's nothing earth shattering, but it's different to what we've been doing the last decade, and you can add to it over the coming seasons via the draft.

However Raptors won't let him walk, even if they want cap space in 2021, they'll just sign him to whatever then trade him next offseason.

Frank/Peyton makes more sense. Trade Knox.

How does that make more sense? So you have 4 players who can't shoot in the lineup?

Payton can't shoot and just dribbles round in circles and passes to Randle (for some reason he refuses to pass to RJ- only Randle). I can't take another season of that

yep at least van vleet makes a more cohesive roster

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8/24/2020  7:50 PM
Jmpasq wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
fwk00 wrote:
smackeddog wrote:Signing Fred and drafting someone like Vassell at least gives you a functional roster to add to over the years (especially if you can get rid of Randle and sign someone like Jerami Grant)

PG- VanVleet / Frank
SG- RJ / Dotson
SF- Vassell / Iggy
PF- Grant / Knox
C- Mitch / Taj

I mean at least you have some spacing and 3 pt shooting to help RJ and Mitch. You have good defenders at every position and off the bench. You have an identity that meshes with Thibs- tough, smart players who play hard. It's nothing earth shattering, but it's different to what we've been doing the last decade, and you can add to it over the coming seasons via the draft.

However Raptors won't let him walk, even if they want cap space in 2021, they'll just sign him to whatever then trade him next offseason.

Frank/Peyton makes more sense. Trade Knox.

How does that make more sense? So you have 4 players who can't shoot in the lineup?

Payton can't shoot and just dribbles round in circles and passes to Randle (for some reason he refuses to pass to RJ- only Randle). I can't take another season of that

yep at least van vleet makes a more cohesive roster

Sorry to disagree. FVV is playing above his head this year. When I talk about pressure, I'm talking about an average talent PG making superstar money in NY on what may be only an above average team this coming season. FVV would be a risky signing at a position where we already have other options that are not that bad.

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8/24/2020  10:35 PM
Honestly we are going to be terrible next season, where does FVV get us? A little more stability at the guard position? Is he enticing free agents I don’t think so.

Next years draft is strong.

He’s playing for a top 3 coach, a top 3 front office and everyone on the team is a true professional. They have 9 guys that can really play, we have 1. Things look very different in a market like NY. I would wait.

You want to offer Dragic and Milshap big money for one year, fine. But, can’t tie up max level money or $25MM a year for a guy that’s not top 40 in the league.

This would be typical Knicks.

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