Any realistic suggestions?

I really struggle to think of a team that might take him for anything other than a switch of contracts (so if they had a 2 year deal, they might trade if for Randle because only $6mil of his second year is guaranteed. Straight up, here are the options:

Randles deal: $18.9mil 20-21, $19mil 21-22 (only $6mil guaranteed)

Using this:

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/contracts/sort-average/free-agent-2021/limit-100/

1 year expirings that match Randle (excluding completely unrealistic ones):

Slim pickings! Cavs aren't an option (Thompson or Drummond if they drafted Wiseman) as they have Love (please don't trade Randle for Love!)

OKC: Steven Adams (expiring $25mil)- I only say this because there was that photo of their boardroom or something where they had Randle name on a whiteboard last season- likely that was related to a CP3 trade. Would save them $6mil and they seem to do these reclamation projects (see Schroeder and CP3)

Hornets: Batum $26mil (PJ Washington makes that very unlikely)

That's it! there are no other options (just look at the list on that site). Hornets have the most contracts to shift, but he doesn't fit there at all.

SO that takes us to the 2 year deals:

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/contracts/sort-average/free-agent-2022/limit-100/

Hornets: Rozier deal (saves them money the 2year), but again, see above

And again that's it. (look at the list)

Teams with cap space- I just don't see which would be a good fit for him. Detroit is the one team desperate for anything but they have Griffin and will re-sign Wood.

Ack, who am I kidding- the only way we get rid of Randle is if we trade him for CP3, which is probably our most likely move now we won't land Ball (and likely can't get a PG in free agency). Unless I've missed something?

joec32033 wrote:

unstopaball12 wrote:

joec32033 wrote:I would do Randle and filler and cash for Paul. As long as no young talent or draft picks are included I'm good.

Said this before, Randle, DSJ and LAC pick for Paul.

Gallo will look for 1 last big Contract and I don't think it will be with OKC

OKC losing the rockets without westbrook should start the rebuild of the team, with the warriors back in the fold for the playoffs next year and suns and grizzlies behind, they should start with trading Paul and save money at the same time.

They get a younger PF in Randle and a reclamation point guard in DSJ plus a first round pick this year.

Not trading a first round pick when taking on that contract and giving an expiring. The Knicks should be the ones either getting a pick or a right to swap. Maybe I'd throw them a second rounder in a year we have multiples.

smackeddog wrote:Any realistic suggestions?

Harrison Barnes. The Kings would need to send other things.

Not saying it would be a good trade for the Knicks, am saying it's a trade scenario where both sides would sit down and actually talk seriously.

The language of most middle class contracts usually does not scale to BRI. Hence all "middle class" contracts now have a built in COVID19 tax associated with them. Bismark Biyombo's is the absolute worst, he was signed by Jordan during the cap spike when market values were artificially inflated. He's a middle class contract with two levels of negative market adjustment. Even without COVID19, a lot of this was projectible, Jordan is a total ****ing idiot.

Randle plays like a total *******. That's a problem. That 4 million dollar escape hatch for 21-22 is another problem. That looks small but it's not when the tax line for the next several seasons will come crashing down.

knicks1248 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I like Randle as person, and his work ethic, but he's a bad fit for this team if we're building around RJ and Mitch. Doubt you can get anything of value back, so the options seem to be trade him for expiring deals, or trade him for a 2 year deal that matches his (means you lose out on the non-guaranteed salary cap space you would have got by keeping him, but means you might get a better player back or a player that fits better/frees up the PF spot for a shooter).

Any realistic suggestions?

I really struggle to think of a team that might take him for anything other than a switch of contracts (so if they had a 2 year deal, they might trade if for Randle because only $6mil of his second year is guaranteed. Straight up, here are the options:

Randles deal: $18.9mil 20-21, $19mil 21-22 (only $6mil guaranteed)

Using this:

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/contracts/sort-average/free-agent-2021/limit-100/

1 year expirings that match Randle (excluding completely unrealistic ones):

Slim pickings! Cavs aren't an option (Thompson or Drummond if they drafted Wiseman) as they have Love (please don't trade Randle for Love!)

OKC: Steven Adams (expiring $25mil)- I only say this because there was that photo of their boardroom or something where they had Randle name on a whiteboard last season- likely that was related to a CP3 trade. Would save them $6mil and they seem to do these reclamation projects (see Schroeder and CP3)

Hornets: Batum $26mil (PJ Washington makes that very unlikely)

That's it! there are no other options (just look at the list on that site). Hornets have the most contracts to shift, but he doesn't fit there at all.

SO that takes us to the 2 year deals:

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/contracts/sort-average/free-agent-2022/limit-100/

Hornets: Rozier deal (saves them money the 2year), but again, see above

And again that's it. (look at the list)

Teams with cap space- I just don't see which would be a good fit for him. Detroit is the one team desperate for anything but they have Griffin and will re-sign Wood.

Ack, who am I kidding- the only way we get rid of Randle is if we trade him for CP3, which is probably our most likely move now we won't land Ball (and likely can't get a PG in free agency). Unless I've missed something?

I think randke will shine under this coaching staff.

I would trade mitch to move up in the draft.

Hard to pull it off but you are worse than Mills as a decision maker

ekstarks94 wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

unstopaball12 wrote:

joec32033 wrote:I would do Randle and filler and cash for Paul. As long as no young talent or draft picks are included I'm good.

Said this before, Randle, DSJ and LAC pick for Paul.

Gallo will look for 1 last big Contract and I don't think it will be with OKC

OKC losing the rockets without westbrook should start the rebuild of the team, with the warriors back in the fold for the playoffs next year and suns and grizzlies behind, they should start with trading Paul and save money at the same time.

They get a younger PF in Randle and a reclamation point guard in DSJ plus a first round pick this year.

Not trading a first round pick when taking on that contract and giving an expiring. The Knicks should be the ones either getting a pick or a right to swap. Maybe I'd throw them a second rounder in a year we have multiples.

Agree...we are giving up a first for the right to pay CP 80 plus mill the nest 2 yrs....we should be getting a sweetener to take that deal..

We have so many young players- RJ, Frank, Mitch, Knox and our lottery pick, plus we have draft picks, in the next few years.

CP3 gives us a chance to help with the development of the players and balances our roster.

unstopaball12 wrote:

ekstarks94 wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

unstopaball12 wrote:

joec32033 wrote:I would do Randle and filler and cash for Paul. As long as no young talent or draft picks are included I'm good.

Said this before, Randle, DSJ and LAC pick for Paul.

Gallo will look for 1 last big Contract and I don't think it will be with OKC

OKC losing the rockets without westbrook should start the rebuild of the team, with the warriors back in the fold for the playoffs next year and suns and grizzlies behind, they should start with trading Paul and save money at the same time.

They get a younger PF in Randle and a reclamation point guard in DSJ plus a first round pick this year.

Not trading a first round pick when taking on that contract and giving an expiring. The Knicks should be the ones either getting a pick or a right to swap. Maybe I'd throw them a second rounder in a year we have multiples.

Agree...we are giving up a first for the right to pay CP 80 plus mill the nest 2 yrs....we should be getting a sweetener to take that deal..

We have so many young players- RJ, Frank, Mitch, Knox and our lottery pick, plus we have draft picks, in the next few years.

CP3 gives us a chance to help with the development of the players and balances our roster.

I was and am against a CP3 trade, but I think it's probably inevitable at this point- we likely can't add a PG for the next 2 seasons any other way (except DJ Augustin), we need rid of Randle, realistic 2021 FA class sucks worse than this one, Rose will likely want to make some sort of splash, and I suppose CP3 fits next to RJ too. Hope we don't get conned into giving up assets, we're doing OKC a bigger favor. Don't even want to give them Knox- just DSJr and Randle

smackeddog wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Any realistic suggestions?

Harrison Barnes. The Kings would need to send other things.

Not saying it would be a good trade for the Knicks, am saying it's a trade scenario where both sides would sit down and actually talk seriously.

The language of most middle class contracts usually does not scale to BRI. Hence all "middle class" contracts now have a built in COVID19 tax associated with them. Bismark Biyombo's is the absolute worst, he was signed by Jordan during the cap spike when market values were artificially inflated. He's a middle class contract with two levels of negative market adjustment. Even without COVID19, a lot of this was projectible, Jordan is a total ****ing idiot.

Randle plays like a total *******. That's a problem. That 4 million dollar escape hatch for 21-22 is another problem. That looks small but it's not when the tax line for the next several seasons will come crashing down.

I left out Harrison Barnes because I didn't want it to happen Fortunately I don't see the kings trading for PF when they have Bagely at the 4

I was going to suggest Randle and either the LAC 1st or next years Dallas 1st for Hield. They seem to be replacing Hield with Bogdonavic and Hield can be a long term fit in a different environment.

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I like Randle as person, and his work ethic, but he's a bad fit for this team if we're building around RJ and Mitch. Doubt you can get anything of value back, so the options seem to be trade him for expiring deals, or trade him for a 2 year deal that matches his (means you lose out on the non-guaranteed salary cap space you would have got by keeping him, but means you might get a better player back or a player that fits better/frees up the PF spot for a shooter).

Any realistic suggestions?

I really struggle to think of a team that might take him for anything other than a switch of contracts (so if they had a 2 year deal, they might trade if for Randle because only $6mil of his second year is guaranteed. Straight up, here are the options:

Randles deal: $18.9mil 20-21, $19mil 21-22 (only $6mil guaranteed)

Using this:

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/contracts/sort-average/free-agent-2021/limit-100/

1 year expirings that match Randle (excluding completely unrealistic ones):

Slim pickings! Cavs aren't an option (Thompson or Drummond if they drafted Wiseman) as they have Love (please don't trade Randle for Love!)

OKC: Steven Adams (expiring $25mil)- I only say this because there was that photo of their boardroom or something where they had Randle name on a whiteboard last season- likely that was related to a CP3 trade. Would save them $6mil and they seem to do these reclamation projects (see Schroeder and CP3)

Hornets: Batum $26mil (PJ Washington makes that very unlikely)

That's it! there are no other options (just look at the list on that site). Hornets have the most contracts to shift, but he doesn't fit there at all.

SO that takes us to the 2 year deals:

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/contracts/sort-average/free-agent-2022/limit-100/

Hornets: Rozier deal (saves them money the 2year), but again, see above

And again that's it. (look at the list)

Teams with cap space- I just don't see which would be a good fit for him. Detroit is the one team desperate for anything but they have Griffin and will re-sign Wood.

Ack, who am I kidding- the only way we get rid of Randle is if we trade him for CP3, which is probably our most likely move now we won't land Ball (and likely can't get a PG in free agency). Unless I've missed something?

I think randke will shine under this coaching staff.

I would trade mitch to move up in the draft.

Hard to pull it off but you are worse than Mills as a decision maker

I actually was listening to KNICKFANTV and they were the ones who mention it, and I thought is was a solid idea for the right pieces.

I'm not saying just trade him and our pick to move up a few slots, but the center position has not had a real impact in these playoffs. Its all about small ball.

Look at the game dude, these playoffs are not the half court low scoring games of the past.

Toronto's Bench scored a 100 points yesterday

Chandler wrote:
can we structure a deal to get back Buddy Hield from Sacrameto. Supposedly he wants out and lost his starting job. We could use the shooting

If Perry joins Kings he might be a Randle advocate?

I like the idea of a move for Hield. But the same reason why Harrison Barnes for Randle doesn’t work is worse with Randle for Hield. They have Bagley at PF on a rookie scale contract. And a bit of a glut of PFs behind Bagley. So, while Hield is a worthy target given his benching behind Bogdan, there isn’t a lot the Knicks can give Sac that Sac actually can really use.