https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/ron-artest-1.html

TripleThreat wrote:As long as his shooting woes hold true, he's an energy guy with elite defense who looks like he can get to the rim. The problem with energy guys like this is they usually can't last starters minutes at the NBA level. They are also fit dependent. On different team than the Knicks, I'd like his chances better. With a different coach, I'd like his chances better. Back door, the quality of gear and the level of discipline with pinning varies from player to player and team to team. Jimmy Butler and the Heat staff got to Bam and Duncan Robinson right away and you can see the results. Okoro's style of play is attrition oriented, he needs to go to the exact right team. The Knicks, as constructed now, aren't suited for a rookie like this. They don't have a developmental style coach, they don't have the right veterans on the roster, Dolan has not spent to make a cutting edge medical staff a reality. These are the variables that convert talent into skill. This is why I've always pushed for the Knicks to pursue high floor fundamental players who shade towards less reliance on fit.

As a defender, he's both instinctive and a good decision maker, which is pretty rare combined with this tool set. He's at the right place at the right time. Like most energy guys, he's also a relentless film guy from what I've heard, so defense isn't going to be a problem.

He's going to sell well on limited tape because he finishes well (at college level), plays above the rim and can probably win at least one dunk contest in the future.

His shot is broken at both the mechanical and mental level. I don't know. Other guys have broken through, others have not. It won't be a question of work ethic though. If he breaks through, it will likely be as a frustrating streak shooter. He's not that great of a passer in high contact areas. But not sure that taxes the Knicks since most of the Knicks can't hit a ****ing league average three ball to save their life.

He's not high floor enough and he's not high ceiling enough for my tastes.

I love the defense. I love the bulldog ride or die mentality. He's a good player, but he's likely not a good fit. This has more to do with the Knicks structure in place than him, but it's still a problem.

He's the kind of guy best suited for a more established team that can give him a manageable role to start. I will watch him with great interest, I just hope it won't be while he's wearing a Knicks jersey.

I completely share your views. He could be a very useful player but we need good shooting a lot more now.

That said, i like the odds better of getting some offense into his game than the odds of getting a chronic ball hog (where there are plenty) to play defense hard.

and i always like to read when a guy has a high BB IQ. Those are the guys who make their teammates better, and team play starts getting infectious

ramtour420 wrote:Is he a really hard worker?

Relentless. Basically a boxer mentality.

If you look at his game film and project it to the pro level, the immediate thing you notice is his handle. He's going to have issues with ball security going up a tier. His ability to read the floor on offense isn't great. He can get to the rim, I don't think he'll translate that as well as he did at Auburn. Here's where it gets shaky. The ability to draw contact is only part of the equation, the other is having the ability and feel to find your teammates when the defense collapses on you. As much as he's an instinctive defender, he's that much going the other way as a guy who doesn't seem to have very good passing instincts at all. If he does draw contact, he's not a great free throw shooter for his position.

Late game, and during the dog days of the season where he's past his rookie wall, I could see his long range shooting completely collapsing. He's lost in his own head a lot as a shooter and it shows.

If the Knicks draft Okoro, they have to dump Randle. It's not going to help Okoro, with some clear mental barriers to his shooting, to have a guy who will ball stop/flaunt it in his face when he's being freezed out.

Whenever I watch Randle, I just see a complete and total ****wit. He resents the contract he got and the AAV he got and he's punk sore at the world instead of seeing it as a challenge to hone his game. I played in an era where you didn't need a sociopath like Jimmy Butler to regulate the limp dicks in the locker room. But I guess the NBA and the modern game is different. One post game, I saw Wade walking out of his locker room with some kind of clutch hand purse thing because apparently it was fashionable. Probably cost a ****load of money too. And some fake glasses and a blazer that was three sizes too small. He just looked like a soft wine tasting discount rate muppet. Don't get me started on Amare and his bathrobes and his wine bathing and film festival horse****. A lot of these players are bitches who just got too comfortable with their money and fame. I want a mother ****er glued to a scouting report, in the film room, doing off book work on small improvements, getting more knowledge on diet, nutrition, training innovations, etc.

On the plus side, Okoro comes hungry. He's a guy you want on your side in a fight.

smackeddog wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:The Andre Igaudola/Jimmy Butler comparisons are pretty good. I'd also throw in Ron Artest. His J doesn't look that broken to me, but he does need work. At the very least, you're looking at a high level role player. He just needs to get a solid spot up J.

I'd feel better about drafting him if we had a better shooter at SG than RG- that's my main concern. I like a lot about him though. Man, that RJ makes this draft more difficult. I know you go BPA, but it would be nice if the BPA also fit well with Mitch and RJ.

Love Okoro's potential...He's the best perimeter defensive player in the draft. Great athlete, very explosive going to the basket. He's a consistent jumper away from being a top 3 player in this draft...

Okoro is one of a few prospects that I'm targeting at 8...