3 pointers made season
Vessell 45/115 41%
Nesmith 60/110 52%
Foul shots attempts
Vessell. 1.6/2.2 73%
Nesmith 3.7/4.5 82%
Efg%
Vessell 56%
Nesmith 66%
2 pg%
Vessell 3.3/6.3 53%
Nesmith 3.2/6.4 50%
Rebound % 2 years per 40 min
Vessell 6.7
Nesmith 6.9
Assists 2 years per 40 min
Vessel 2.3
Nesmith 1.6
Steals per 40
Vessell 2.0
Nesmith 1.2
Per
Nesmith 29
Vessell 24

To me this shows Nesmith is a much stronger offensive player who actually rebounds at a better clip. Vessell shows a slightly better defensive profile but let’s also take into account that Nesmith is 30 pounds heavier and built nba ready. Nesmith only played 14 games but made 15 more 3s! Ft % and getting to the line are also not close.

Vassel 6-5?
Nesmith 6-4?

Yes as wings small ball lineups are used more often. but how do they match up against the top 5 elite small forwards who are 6-7 or 6-8?

Basically these are both shooting guards who can play the 3 in small ball lineups.

If this is the case are we drafting a backup shooting guard or a short 3@D wing?

BRIGGS wrote:First off
Nesmith played only 14 games. Vessell played 30
Size
Vessell 6-7 195
Nesmith 6-6 225
Number of games with 19 or more points
Vessell 2/29
Nesmith 10/14
25 or more points Vessell 1/29 Nesmith 6/14

3 pointers made season
Vessell 45/115 41%
Nesmith 60/110 52%
Foul shots attempts
Vessell. 1.6/2.2 73%
Nesmith 3.7/4.5 82%
Efg%
Vessell 56%
Nesmith 66%
2 pg%
Vessell 3.3/6.3 53%
Nesmith 3.2/6.4 50%
Rebound % 2 years per 40 min
Vessell 6.7
Nesmith 6.9
Assists 2 years per 40 min
Vessel 2.3
Nesmith 1.6
Steals per 40
Vessell 2.0
Nesmith 1.2
Per
Nesmith 29
Vessell 24

To me this shows Nesmith is a much stronger offensive player who actually rebounds at a better clip. Vessell shows a slightly better defensive profile but let’s also take into account that Nesmith is 30 pounds heavier and built nba ready. Nesmith only played 14 games but made 15 more 3s! Ft % and getting to the line are also not close.

Nesmith is the better scorer and Vassell is the better defender. One thing you didn’t take into account is Vassell is a far better athlete, so it raises his upside. After watching some film I prefer Vassell slightly because is length and athleticism really stand out.

I’ve been a fan for vassel as our 3@D guy for months now but Neismith is the better offensive player whose defense could be (Good to adequate)under thibs.

From the fact we already have Ntilikina and could possibly grab Tyler bey I think the choice is neismith.

I have to check out Sadiq bey, Jalen Smith and okuro more For upside.

BRIGGS wrote:First off
Nesmith played only 14 games. Vessell played 30
Size
Vessell 6-7 195
Nesmith 6-6 225
Number of games with 19 or more points
Vessell 2/29
Nesmith 10/14
25 or more points Vessell 1/29 Nesmith 6/14

3 pointers made season
Vessell 45/115 41%
Nesmith 60/110 52%
Foul shots attempts
Vessell. 1.6/2.2 73%
Nesmith 3.7/4.5 82%
Efg%
Vessell 56%
Nesmith 66%
2 pg%
Vessell 3.3/6.3 53%
Nesmith 3.2/6.4 50%
Rebound % 2 years per 40 min
Vessell 6.7
Nesmith 6.9
Assists 2 years per 40 min
Vessel 2.3
Nesmith 1.6
Steals per 40
Vessell 2.0
Nesmith 1.2
Per
Nesmith 29
Vessell 24

To me this shows Nesmith is a much stronger offensive player who actually rebounds at a better clip. Vessell shows a slightly better defensive profile but let’s also take into account that Nesmith is 30 pounds heavier and built nba ready. Nesmith only played 14 games but made 15 more 3s! Ft % and getting to the line are also not close.

Briggs, it is nice to see that you have added what I brought up on a different thread in your analysis. (14 GAME SEASON)

However, you have once again ignored the other criteria I mentioned and probably the most important one.
That is, the Level of competition these stats were gathered from!

Vassell plays in the ACC. Nesmith plays in the Southeastern Conference. Which one do you think is a tougher conference? Vasell's stats were compiled in a 38 game season in which he competed against the best teams/Programs in the nation. (Virginia, Louisville, Duke, Florida, Tennessee, Purdue, Indiana, NC State, Notre Dame etc).
Nesmith competed in minimal games in a weaker conference. Games which included UNC Wilmington, Southeastern Louisiana, South Carolina State and a few others that are not very good even when competing in their very weak conferences.

Again, Nesmith has good size and a good all be it slow outside shot. However, feel the only reason he is in the top 25 is because of his 3pt shooting percentage achieved in a small sample size. Problem for me is that many are ignoring the two factors that I have previously brought up and mentioned above. Safe to say that good GM's will take those into consideration.

HofstraBBall wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:First off
Nesmith played only 14 games. Vessell played 30
Size
Vessell 6-7 195
Nesmith 6-6 225
Number of games with 19 or more points
Vessell 2/29
Nesmith 10/14
25 or more points Vessell 1/29 Nesmith 6/14

3 pointers made season
Vessell 45/115 41%
Nesmith 60/110 52%
Foul shots attempts
Vessell. 1.6/2.2 73%
Nesmith 3.7/4.5 82%
Efg%
Vessell 56%
Nesmith 66%
2 pg%
Vessell 3.3/6.3 53%
Nesmith 3.2/6.4 50%
Rebound % 2 years per 40 min
Vessell 6.7
Nesmith 6.9
Assists 2 years per 40 min
Vessel 2.3
Nesmith 1.6
Steals per 40
Vessell 2.0
Nesmith 1.2
Per
Nesmith 29
Vessell 24

To me this shows Nesmith is a much stronger offensive player who actually rebounds at a better clip. Vessell shows a slightly better defensive profile but let’s also take into account that Nesmith is 30 pounds heavier and built nba ready. Nesmith only played 14 games but made 15 more 3s! Ft % and getting to the line are also not close.

Briggs, it is nice to see that you have added what I brought up on a different thread in your analysis. (14 GAME SEASON)

However, you have once again ignored the other criteria I mentioned and probably the most important one.
That is, the Level of competition these stats were gathered from!

Vassell plays in the ACC. Nesmith plays in the Southeastern Conference. Which one do you think is a tougher conference? Vasell's stats were compiled in a 38 game season in which he competed against the best teams/Programs in the nation. (Virginia, Louisville, Duke, Florida, Tennessee, Purdue, Indiana, NC State, Notre Dame etc).
Nesmith competed in minimal games in a weaker conference. Games which included UNC Wilmington, Southeastern Louisiana, South Carolina State and a few others that are not very good even when competing in their very weak conferences.

Again, Nesmith has good size and a good all be it slow outside shot. However, feel the only reason he is in the top 25 is because of his 3pt shooting percentage achieved in a small sample size. Problem for me is that many are ignoring the two factors that I have previously brought up and mentioned above. Safe to say that good GM's will take those into consideration.

Good point.

The clear appeal of Nesmith is the comparison to Klay Thompson. And I am not saying Nesmith can’t be as prolific a shooter. My recollection of GS was that Klay needed Steph and Steph needed Klay - and they both needed Dray, in order to spread the floor enough to get room to shoot.

I don’t think Nesmith will have enough space on the Knicks current roster to get his shot off. Ergo, this year’s Knicks will be better off with Vassell.

I might be wrong. But I think the best player in the draft may not be drafted until later. Sadiq Bey could outlast both. Okoro could get drafted after and outperform. There are marginal differences between these guys in my opinion.

HofstraBBall wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:First off
Nesmith played only 14 games. Vessell played 30
Size
Vessell 6-7 195
Nesmith 6-6 225
Number of games with 19 or more points
Vessell 2/29
Nesmith 10/14
25 or more points Vessell 1/29 Nesmith 6/14

3 pointers made season
Vessell 45/115 41%
Nesmith 60/110 52%
Foul shots attempts
Vessell. 1.6/2.2 73%
Nesmith 3.7/4.5 82%
Efg%
Vessell 56%
Nesmith 66%
2 pg%
Vessell 3.3/6.3 53%
Nesmith 3.2/6.4 50%
Rebound % 2 years per 40 min
Vessell 6.7
Nesmith 6.9
Assists 2 years per 40 min
Vessel 2.3
Nesmith 1.6
Steals per 40
Vessell 2.0
Nesmith 1.2
Per
Nesmith 29
Vessell 24

To me this shows Nesmith is a much stronger offensive player who actually rebounds at a better clip. Vessell shows a slightly better defensive profile but let’s also take into account that Nesmith is 30 pounds heavier and built nba ready. Nesmith only played 14 games but made 15 more 3s! Ft % and getting to the line are also not close.

Briggs, it is nice to see that you have added what I brought up on a different thread in your analysis. (14 GAME SEASON)

However, you have once again ignored the other criteria I mentioned and probably the most important one.
That is, the Level of competition these stats were gathered from!

Vassell plays in the ACC. Nesmith plays in the Southeastern Conference. Which one do you think is a tougher conference? Vasell's stats were compiled in a 38 game season in which he competed against the best teams/Programs in the nation. (Virginia, Louisville, Duke, Florida, Tennessee, Purdue, Indiana, NC State, Notre Dame etc).
Nesmith competed in minimal games in a weaker conference. Games which included UNC Wilmington, Southeastern Louisiana, South Carolina State and a few others that are not very good even when competing in their very weak conferences.

Again, Nesmith has good size and a good all be it slow outside shot. However, feel the only reason he is in the top 25 is because of his 3pt shooting percentage achieved in a small sample size. Problem for me is that many are ignoring the two factors that I have previously brought up and mentioned above. Safe to say that good GM's will take those into consideration.

Very similar to Donovan Mitchell entering the league. Nicely developed body and wingspan, playing in the tough ACC, was built as a defender first, athletically gifted, can knock down the 3 and handle some. Just like Mitchell his production doesn't stand out but that combination of attributes translates to success in the league.

Just like Paul Gearge and Jimmy Butler. It will come down to how much he is capable of developing being a go to guy with the ball in his hands.

Neismith vs vassel

Williams vs okoro

Saddiq bey is different because he actually has legitimate sf size.