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mattinNH
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10/10/2004  5:22 AM
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Sunday, October 10, 2004

By STEVE ADAMEK
STAFF WRITER



CHARLESTON, S.C. - Eight years ago with Utah, Shandon Anderson was what Trevor Ariza is now in Knicks' camp, a second-round draft choice opening eyes wide.

Eight years ago, Ariza was 11, a long way from where he is now, a potential piece of the Knicks' future, not a soon-to-depart symbol of the past that Anderson knows he represents.

As coach Lenny Wilkens prepared to pack up the Charleston segment of his first Knicks' camp today, two days early, the contrast between where the two swingmen may be headed is striking. Ariza's the phenom, the 43rd overall pick in this summer's draft after spending one year at UCLA whose sheer athleticism and enthusiasm has opened eyes.

Anderson's simply resigned to his fate, once picked 54th overall by the Jazz, now a third-string pariah who can't wait to go elsewhere.

"I'm on the third team, so that's a little indication of what's going on," Anderson said after Saturday's scrimmage. "So, if something was to happen, man, I definitely hope that it happens soon."

Team president Isiah Thomas seconds that, for he wants to be rid of not only the player, but his contract, which has three years and $24 million remaining. That's a huge trading obstacle, yet Thomas insists waiving or buying out Anderson isn't an option at this point.

Anderson, meanwhile, said he'd be willing to accept less money for a chance to play elsewhere.

While that's resolved, there's Ariza, who flew to the basket to finish a half-court lob from Anderson in the scrimmage and has spent camp filling lanes in the running game Wilkens wants to emphasize. A willowy 6-foot-8, Ariza is one of those players who could've evolved into a first-round pick had he stayed in college more than a year.

His age, 19, likely prevented that and likely will prevent him from truly contributing until one of the seasons when he would've been a first-rounder. But he's been the camp "Wow!" - although as in baseball, where you don't truly judge a player in spring training or meaningless September games, Wilkens knows you can't judge a rookie in October.

"I say don't make judgments until November," the coach said, "[but] for [him], the sky should be the limit."

"Whew!" assistant coach Herb Williams said when asked about him. "No question he has NBA ability. ... The kid can play. He's got a lot of learning to do, and he's going to go through some ups and downs, but overall, the kid has a lot of talent."

"He doesn't play like a 19-year-old," Kurt Thomas said.

He plays, Anderson said, a little like he remembers himself playing those eight years ago, with a little more of a drive to succeed.

"I came in the second round, this guy came in the second round, so, you're hungry," he said. "He's probably a lot tougher than the rest of the guys."

Tough enough, Wilkens said, to take a hit from Kurt Thomas in one scrimmage, yet go back for more minutes later by driving back at the Knicks' power forward.

"I'm just having fun playing the way I know how to play," Ariza said. "I know that I can do it. I just need help learning everything."

KNICKS BRIEFS: Wilkens, whose players saluted him by hollering, "Lenny!" when they broke their huddle after he told them they were leaving today, said he chose to depart early because, "I think we've practiced quite well. ... It gives them a chance to get home, take care of some business and we'll get right back to practice."

Stephon Marbury, meanwhile, played in the first quarter of Saturday's practice after sitting out all of Friday's, per Wilkens' desire to give him some post-Olympics rest.

Assistant trainer Said Hamden is leaving the team after seven seasons to become CEO of a physical therapy business in Manhattan that will cater to athletes and other celebrities.
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10/10/2004  8:33 AM
Anderson, meanwhile, said he'd be willing to accept less money for a chance to play elsewhere.

That option should definately be considered.
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10/11/2004  2:18 PM
Posted by MaTT4281:
Anderson, meanwhile, said he'd be willing to accept less money for a chance to play elsewhere.

That option should definately be considered.

how about you take $24 million less & go play elsewhere!
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10/11/2004  4:30 PM
can Azira shoot yet?

We know he can run and dunk!

Can we send him to the olympics and not embarass us?

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10/11/2004  5:23 PM
Eight years ago with Utah, Shandon Anderson was what Trevor Ariza is now in Knicks' camp, a second-round draft choice opening eyes wide.

Yeah, that's really all I needed to read. Everybody here is getting jacked up over the next Shandon Anderson. The irony of it all.
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10/11/2004  5:31 PM
Isles... your really pathetic. I'm sooo sorry your totally incapable of mustering and ounce of excitement regarding the team you claim to be a fan of.

Lenny, the assistant coachs and the veteran players are all talking about how suprised they are by this kids talent. Myself I think he doesnt have an impact this year but there is nothing wrong with being excited about a prospect.

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10/11/2004  6:05 PM
I'm so sorry that you're totally incapable of mustering up any semblance of a sense of humor.

You really don't see the irony and humor in the author using Shandon Anderson as the basis of comparison for Ariza?

Excitement? Over a 2nd rd pick? Get real. You said yourself that you don't see him doing anything this year but I'm supposed to get all out of control excited over him like most people are around here?
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10/11/2004  6:13 PM
I'm excited about Ariza, but I am skeptical that he will get meaningful PT.
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10/11/2004  6:24 PM
Posted by islesfan:

I'm supposed to get all out of control excited over him like most people are around here?
Yes, follow protocol.
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10/11/2004  6:36 PM
Posted by fishmike:

Isles... your really pathetic. I'm sooo sorry your totally incapable of mustering and ounce of excitement regarding the team you claim to be a fan of.

Lenny, the assistant coachs and the veteran players are all talking about how suprised they are by this kids talent. Myself I think he doesnt have an impact this year but there is nothing wrong with being excited about a prospect.

hoser
When there's bad news, he'll be the first to dwell incessantly over it. But when there's good news, he'd rather use sarcasm to mock the news than be happy over it. It's just the way he is. I'd expect more (attempted) humorous sarcasm as a way of avoiding admitting the Knicks have some good young players and a bright future.
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10/11/2004  6:37 PM
The only similarities between Ariza and Anderson is that they were both second round picks, and it stops there. Anderson played 4 years at Georgia and was lucky to get drafted, Ariza played 1 year at ucla and had he stayed another year would have been a lottery pick, there is really no comparison here, I hate that the article tries to make any ounce of comparison here like their careers mirrored each other, Ariza is talented and will be a very good player in this league, anderson was a marginal role player that hit the scott layden lottery...
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10/11/2004  7:02 PM
actually out of control excited is kind of how get everytime Isiah is in a headline. Heck, you freak out when you find out he's been calling Marbury during the Olympics because their relationship is too close or some such drama.

Nobody's "out of control" excited ya drama queen. People are responding to articles (some of which written by your sweetheart Marc Berman) written in the news papers regarding Ariza. Such headlines as "rookie continues to impress" create discussion with most fans.

Part of the "exciting" part of watching a team become successfull is watching young players develop and lead your franchise. We have this opportunity with Ariza, Sweetney, Crawford types.

Stop lying...everyone here knows you dont own a sense of humor
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10/11/2004  10:16 PM
The fact that Wilkens,Zeke and some of the players are saying good things about him is encouraging.The fact that they even moved him ahead of TT at times has me anxious to see what all the talk is about.

No big deal if he doesnt get serious minutes this year,he is only 19.I just want to see him get a fair chance to crack the rotaion.Wilkens says he is going deep into the bench this season so that shouldnt be a problem.
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10/11/2004  11:18 PM
The funny thing is, a comparison to Shandon may actually be appropriate. Does anyone remember the Utah days for Shandon? He was a skywalker. He had a limited outside game that never developed and was a great perimeter defender. Sound familiar? Hopefully Trevor can develop an outside shot. He is slightly taller and longer than Shan, but if he can come in the next few years and emulate the success Shan had early, maybe he can luck into a huge contract that will have people griping about how overpaid he is someday........but seriously STARTING like Shan would not be a bad thing. Hopefully he can develop his offensive game a little before that.

Also, Shan is not a bad player. He has a HEINOUS contract. Just awful. But if we waive him, he will get snatched up in a hot second. Remember how Deke was supposedly a garbage player who was absolutely useless when he was on the Nets? Well, how did he look for us? Pretty good. Sometimes salary can skew perceptions. I know it's repeated a lot on this forum, but it seems to fall on deaf ears.
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10/11/2004  11:23 PM
Posted by fishmike:

Nobody's "out of control" excited ya drama queen. People are responding to articles (some of which written by your sweetheart Marc Berman) written in the news papers regarding Ariza. Such headlines as "rookie continues to impress" create discussion with most fans.

People aren't just responding to articles, they're including Ariza as a key building block when he's still nothing more than a huge question mark. You yourself have tried to calm people down over their out of control excitement about Ariza so I'm not sure why we're arguing about this.

And get it right, Frank Isola is my sweetheart, not Marc Berman.
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10/12/2004  8:11 AM
I dont know if I would call Ariza a building block, but he certainly represents a need. I think the overall excitement is watching the core of your team rebuild around players that arent 30. Every year a couple guys like Ariza have a big impact for some team. Why cant it be the Knicks this year?
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http://www.nypost.com/sports/knicks/30124.htm

ARIZA'S KNICK STOCK ARISING

By MARC BERMAN


October 12, 2004 -- The whispers why Knicks rookie Trevor Ariza fell in the draft, into the mid-second round, centered on his supposed overbearing mother. If that's the case, those GMs should have their wages garnished.
Ariza's Charleston scrimmages have secured an active roster spot and at least a part-time rotation spot. Isiah Thomas, who made Ariza the 43rd pick, didn't have a first-round pick in last June's draft, but apparently he snatched one of such caliber.

"I thought he had a great camp," Thomas said of the 6-7 swingman slasher out of UCLA. "Every day he showed us a little bit more."

Though he's not an outside shooter, the two scrimmages reporters were permitted to watch in Charleston showed Ariza often getting the ball on the break for fastbreak hoops.

"I feel I'm fitting in well," said Ariza. "I'm just having fun. I'm confident in myself to know I can be into the rotation."

Shandon Anderson was an insignificant piece when camp opened. With Ariza's emergence, Anderson by his own admission has no role.

"What I came away more impressed with, more than his offensive game, he's a good defender too," Thomas said. "I really think he can develop into a stopper on defense where you can put him on the best guy and say go out and defend him. He's got great footwork, long arms, can block shots and he's smart about his position."

Even the bitter Scott Layden would have to admit Isiah, who has always downplayed the draft, has done well.

"He doesn't play like a 19-year-old," Kurt Thomas said. "He's going to be a great player. It shows the scouts were doing their job."

Ariza's father, Kenny McClary, played at Florida in the mid-1980's and his family still lives in Inglewood. Ariza's mother, who lost a young son eight years ago in an accident, wanted to move to New York with Ariza. The Knicks advised against it and he's doing quite nicely on his own.



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When Isiah said the team would "be lucky" to be at .500 after 20 games because of the schedule's strength, he probably factored in Allan Houston's suspect contribution. It's hilarious to hear Houston say he's still not ruling out the Nov. 3 opener. Remember, Houston didn't rule out competing in a playoff game when put on the playoff roster. That was six months ago and he's still not ready.

Out of respect, the Knicks kept Houston's title as co-captain, but a source said Lenny Wilkens told Stephon Marbury he wanted him to be the "head captain" because Houston isn't vocal enough.

After 6-11 Keon Clark visited their Westchester camp in late summer, the Knicks offered him a contract, he verbally accepted, then they never heard back from him. Another strange twist in Clark's strange career. (Thats weird)

Isiah still is looking for improvements, but this early in camp, phones tend to be quiet.

"We're always trying to get better," Isiah said. "Teams see what they have, play a couple of exhibition games. If they don't like what they have, you start making a few calls."

Knicks, who will open preseason Thursday vs. Nets, took yesterday off.




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10/12/2004  9:50 AM
Slow news days, they talking about his mother? She wants to move to NY and team is saying no!

Lets start a poll to see if she should stay!

Keon gone AWOL? Where is Keon?

Slow days, slow days.........
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10/12/2004  10:28 AM
the potential...THE POTENTIAL of this team's 2nd unit is pretty amazing. we may actually have a top 3 bench.

crawford
penny
ariza
jyd
nazr/vin/sweets/kurt

a GREAT mix of youth to develop and veterans to lead and perform.
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10/12/2004  10:44 AM
Posted by crzymdups:

The funny thing is, a comparison to Shandon may actually be appropriate. Does anyone remember the Utah days for Shandon? He was a skywalker. He had a limited outside game that never developed and was a great perimeter defender. Sound familiar? Hopefully Trevor can develop an outside shot. He is slightly taller and longer than Shan, but if he can come in the next few years and emulate the success Shan had early, maybe he can luck into a huge contract that will have people griping about how overpaid he is someday........but seriously STARTING like Shan would not be a bad thing. Hopefully he can develop his offensive game a little before that.

Also, Shan is not a bad player. He has a HEINOUS contract. Just awful. But if we waive him, he will get snatched up in a hot second. Remember how Deke was supposedly a garbage player who was absolutely useless when he was on the Nets? Well, how did he look for us? Pretty good. Sometimes salary can skew perceptions. I know it's repeated a lot on this forum, but it seems to fall on deaf ears.

Yeah but Shandon wasn't 19 at the time...... See why there really isn't any comparison.
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