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New trade rumor: Devin Booker to the knicks
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Jimbo5
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5/15/2020  1:47 AM
https://fadeawayworld.net/2020/05/14/nba-rumors-knicks-could-trade-julius-randle-frank-ntilikina-and-a-2020-first-round-pick-for-devin-booker/

Any thoughts on this? Im more inclined to attach DSJ instead of Frank, im more than ok to trade Randle but i think Pheonix have been eyeing Frank for a while. Well the Suns might be open to this trade if the knicks pick lands in the top 2. If this trade happens we will still have 2 glaring holes in the starting 5. Who will our starting point and powerforward be? But a core of Devin, RJ and Mitch will be something definitely to build around! If we can leave Frank out of this trade, i think having Frank at point and Devin at 2 will be acceptable. Frank still needs to improve offensively at the very least consistently hit the open 3 but the pressure to score with that line up (Frank, Devin, RJ, ?, Mitch) will be lessened for sure.

Can anyone see a senario where we can move up to the late lottery or just outside the lottery by packaging the clippers pick and our second rounder so we can probably fill one of the two starting 5 hole?

Has anyone heard of Karim Mane, 6'5" pointguard out of Canada, he just declared for the draft but havent signed an agent. Looks like an interesting player for the clippers pick or our second rounder.

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5/15/2020  3:32 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/15/2020  3:49 AM
As much as I like Frank, this is a no brainer. I thought for sure phoenix would want to unload that bum Rubio in a trade like this instead of getting Frank, and I would do that too. RJ at the 3 and Booker at the 2 will win alot of games for the knicks for years to come. As long as the 4 and 1 are 2 way plaayers that can shoot, this will be a huge step in the right direction for the knicks.
Hell, I bet we could make the playoffs with Portis at the 4 if our pt guard was decent enough.

or Brandon Ingram at the 3 and booker at the 2 Just sayin'. #Poison pill

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5/15/2020  7:01 AM
I don’t think it is a rumor. Bleacher Report suggested one trade for every team. This was the Knicks trade.
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5/15/2020  8:11 AM
Let’s call it an “Idea” not a “Rumor”.
I doubt DSjr has the same value as Frank in the real world.
While Franks progress is debatable its valid at some level. Dennis is moving into the “Enigma” label.
despite my fondness for frank as a player with potential you do that trade. Every player who has scored 60pts or more enjoyed an HOF career. Booker has one on the books for 70pts!!!!!
I do that trade but depends on where the pick lands and really what the outlook is for Knox at the 3. I’m stubborn to think RJ is a 3. Does Knox haave the same trade value as frank?
Big question is why would PHx trade Booker?
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5/15/2020  8:16 AM
The more i think about it, even if we have to give up Frank(my favorite knick on the team), i can be on board with this trade. A line up with Mitch, RJ, Booker for next year will be very exciting. If we pick the right players in the 2021 Draft(considered a very strong draft) i think we can shoot up to the middle seed of the playoffs in 2 years time! I like the fact that Brooks is just 24, same timeline as the young core!

Other players im thinking will be ok to trade for with the right price would be Bradley Beal, Oladipo(only if he is physically 100%), a core with Mitch, RJ and one of them will be a big step forward to respectability. Leon Rose can go multiple directions this summer i hope with the help of the new cap space guru, they can find a good trade that for once is a clear cut knicks win for a change!

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5/15/2020  8:20 AM
remember when Phil explored trading KP for Booker and a pick, everyone freaked out, and he got fired? ahhh memories
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5/15/2020  8:28 AM
I saw a new video of DSJ he seem to have some swagger, he looked descent. i know 5 on 5 videos that we see now is a far cry from real NBA action. If we cant trade DSJ i hope the reason why he regressed this season was due to injuries or emotional loss and nothing like a regression in actual skills. Il be happy if we cant trade him during the off-season and when the new season arrives he inexplicably balls out! Wishful thinking?
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5/15/2020  9:54 AM
No way in hell can I see Phoenix making that trade!
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5/15/2020  10:32 AM
Uptown wrote:No way in hell can I see Phoenix making that trade!

He's signed for the next 4 yrs. They have all the leverage. They would want a godfather deal that could load the team up, or a superstar swap(Ben Simmons if Philly fails over the next yr or 2?).

But they really have no reason to trade Booker at the moment. Would be cleaner for them to keep trying to build around him Ayton & Oubre. They can maybe package their lotto pick for another proven guy to compliment that. Sign someone like Gallinari or something.

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5/15/2020  10:36 AM
The Suns are not doing that deal unless we get like the 1 or 2 pick, and if we got the 1 or 2 pick, I think we would be better off drafting Ball. If we got Booker, that would be great, but we would still need a point guard.

Ball, RJ, Knox, Randall, Mitchell

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Booker, RJ, Knox, ?, Mitchell (with no Frank)

I would just draft Ball. Now if we are stuck at 6, then i would consider the deal, but I would try to keep Frank and maybe give them Trier and DSJ, plus Randle and the 6th Pick.

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5/15/2020  1:35 PM
The Suns wouldn't make that deal but we'd have to take it if they wanted to move on from Booker. We could take on Rubio (with Booker) as he could be that short-term mentor some were considering with Chris Paul (and much cheaper). I think it comes down to what pick we end up with and if we really believe Ball is finally our answer at point. I think he's clearly the best available, but don't know if he's in the Doncic level where he's a game changer.
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5/15/2020  1:50 PM
This notion of a PG might be over done. You need great basketball players that can handle the rock. Bulls with Jordan, Lakers with Kobe, heat with Lebron........all not with a dominant PG. Surrounded by shooters. Lakers win with Derek Fisher. Bulls had Paxton, Hodges, Kerr. They all can shoot.
curry is great PG or just a great player? His athletic ability is OK for player but its the shooting that makes him outstanding and creates all kind of problems. It lets him penetrate that much better. Shooters. Booker can shoot. Rubio? He'd be so much better if he can shoot. Nash? Average athletic ability and like Curry his craftiness enhanced because he was smart but first he can shoot.
Frank in videos can shoot. Fiba Frank, Euro frank.
Jason Kidd got to HOF status once he could hit this 3pt shot. Rubio, not so.
Knox can shoot. He regressed because he defense and rebounding got better as he also went to the rim stronger. Not worried bout his shot.
I'd make a deal for Booker, but anyone ask Suns if they dealing?
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5/15/2020  3:06 PM
Nalod wrote:This notion of a PG might be over done. You need great basketball players that can handle the rock. Bulls with Jordan, Lakers with Kobe, heat with Lebron........all not with a dominant PG. Surrounded by shooters. Lakers win with Derek Fisher. Bulls had Paxton, Hodges, Kerr. They all can shoot.
curry is great PG or just a great player? His athletic ability is OK for player but its the shooting that makes him outstanding and creates all kind of problems. It lets him penetrate that much better. Shooters. Booker can shoot. Rubio? He'd be so much better if he can shoot. Nash? Average athletic ability and like Curry his craftiness enhanced because he was smart but first he can shoot.
Frank in videos can shoot. Fiba Frank, Euro frank.
Jason Kidd got to HOF status once he could hit this 3pt shot. Rubio, not so.
Knox can shoot. He regressed because he defense and rebounding got better as he also went to the rim stronger. Not worried bout his shot.
I'd make a deal for Booker, but anyone ask Suns if they dealing?

Would hurt giving up Frankie but Booker is the type of guy who you have to make the deal for. Ideal age, skill set, attitude. 2020 first all star appearance. Combo guard. A lot to like. Would definitely view as a foundation piece alongside Mitch & RJ. Shame it’s not realistic though...

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5/15/2020  9:39 PM
There might be multiple options popping up for the knicks going into the offseason. Trades can be an avenue specifically if the projected cap decrease next year from 115M to just 95M happens. With a 20M decrease, some teams might be forced to let go of some of their valuable assets. Another option teams are looking at is the return of the amnesty provision. Maybe we can get say a Chris Paul for cheap if waived, instead of trading for him if thats what Rose really wants. Teams might be placed in a situation where they dont want to be. Opportunities will be presenting itself i hope the new brain thrust is good enough to make the correct moves. Its expected that all player options will be picked up. That means, Anthony Davis can move out of LA after next year when Lebron turns 37. In these dark time i hope the knicks can see the light.
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5/16/2020  8:29 AM
Jimbo5 wrote:There might be multiple options popping up for the knicks going into the offseason. Trades can be an avenue specifically if the projected cap decrease next year from 115M to just 95M happens. With a 20M decrease, some teams might be forced to let go of some of their valuable assets. Another option teams are looking at is the return of the amnesty provision. Maybe we can get say a Chris Paul for cheap if waived, instead of trading for him if thats what Rose really wants. Teams might be placed in a situation where they dont want to be. Opportunities will be presenting itself i hope the new brain thrust is good enough to make the correct moves. Its expected that all player options will be picked up. That means, Anthony Davis can move out of LA after next year when Lebron turns 37. In these dark time i hope the knicks can see the light.

Good post!!

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5/16/2020  8:32 AM
newyorknewyork wrote:
Uptown wrote:No way in hell can I see Phoenix making that trade!

He's signed for the next 4 yrs. They have all the leverage. They would want a godfather deal that could load the team up, or a superstar swap(Ben Simmons if Philly fails over the next yr or 2?).

But they really have no reason to trade Booker at the moment. Would be cleaner for them to keep trying to build around him Ayton & Oubre. They can maybe package their lotto pick for another proven guy to compliment that. Sign someone like Gallinari or something.

Not saying he is untradeable but there are much, much better packages out there than Randle and Frank.

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5/16/2020  8:34 AM
SupremeCommander wrote:remember when Phil explored trading KP for Booker and a pick, everyone freaked out, and he got fired? ahhh memories

You say this like that's the reason phil got fired. This was the last reason on a toilet paper roll of reasons the fire clueless phil!

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5/16/2020  10:05 AM
Uptown wrote:No way in hell can I see Phoenix making that trade!

Glad someone said it. It's ridiculous. We would have to give up 3 or 4 1sts

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5/16/2020  11:36 AM
I’d like to read the perspective of PHX and why they would see trading Booker would be a good thing.

Knick fans are like “Well even if Frank is just 21 he is in season three and he is not consistent yet”.
When I read a fans be like 1248 who basically says “Because he has not yet, he likely won’t”.
Even the best of scouts and coaches cannot see into the future but we as fans are hardly Clairvoyant enough to see it.
Back to PHx, how does moving booker help them?

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5/16/2020  2:58 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/16/2020  3:27 PM
TheGame wrote:The Suns are not doing that deal unless we get like the 1 or 2 pick, and if we got the 1 or 2 pick, I think we would be better off drafting Ball. If we got Booker, that would be great, but we would still need a point guard.

Ball, RJ, Knox, Randall, Mitchell

v.

Booker, RJ, Knox, ?, Mitchell (with no Frank)

I would just draft Ball. Now if we are stuck at 6, then i would consider the deal, but I would try to keep Frank and maybe give them Trier and DSJ, plus Randle and the 6th Pick.

I'm not sure this trade is the best for the Knicks. They are giving up 3 rotation pieces (Carmelo Anthony situation) and 2 young players (Frank and the draft pick.) That's not such a smart move for a rebuilding team. It leaves gaping holes at 2 positions. PG is only DSJ. I'm assuming the Knicks would have drafted a PG with their pick, which they are now trading. I hope they let Portis go so who is the power forward? Now the Knicks loose leverage in free agency and will have to give extra money/years to players in a mediocre free agent class just to fill holes. That might take them out of the 2021 FA class.

This is more of a win now move. What was the point of sucking if the Knicks don't follow a rebuilding plan? Booker's young but he's already a max player. In a rebuild you try to draft stars or supplimentary players to go with stars. Not trade the youth. The Lakers gave away a bunch of their youth for AD. For the Knicks to do that now? This move by itself doesn't even get the Knicks into the playoffs. (Booker never elevated Pheonix to the playoffs by himself.)

Did anybody mention that Booker and Barret play the same position?

We all are sick of Randle's spinovers but don't sell short on him. He's a legit 20 and 10 guy who is still young and is one of the best bully ball players in the league, even if that style is dying. He has value around the league. Not everybody saw all his spinovers or were emotionally scared by them. Lots of teams won't be able to sign free agents this offseason so I'm sure there will be a trade market for him, as his salary ($18.9m) is pretty fair.

Doing this specific trade and getting Booker is a clear change of direction for this team. It might draw other stars(??) but it takes the Knicks out of rebuilding mode. It puts them back a year (really 2) as there will be no high draft pick this year. But it doesn't make them a much better team and it forces them to rely on the free agent (older players) market just to field a roster around Booker. At most it puts them in the dreaded medium plateau that gets the Knicks medium draft picks and medium supplimentary players with medium ages that have medium salaries but that might take them out range to get a second max star. (We don't know when the salary cap will recover.)

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