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jskinny35
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5/14/2020  12:30 PM
Assuming we land around pick 6 - what's the limit of what those interested would use to move up to take him at pick #1, 2 or 3?

I would be willing to offer our pick 6 + a)Knox and Mavs pick OR b)DSJr and Mavs pick OR c)future NY #1 (protected 1-8) if necessary.

He's not perfect, but clearly has the vision of the kind of PG that would really help this team. He seems to possess some poise for his young age, and would probably help some of our inconsistent players improve - even someone like Knox. He's almost non-existent defensively, so that is a concern. I just think a pass first guard would do better next to RJ, compared to a smaller scoring point (eg Cole). Not even sure what I suggest would be considered - like to hear back about what it would likely take and if it's worth the price to pay.
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5/14/2020  12:55 PM
jskinny35 wrote:Assuming we land around pick 6 - what's the limit of what those interested would use to move up to take him at pick #1, 2 or 3?

I would be willing to offer our pick 6 + a)Knox and Mavs pick OR b)DSJr and Mavs pick OR c)future NY #1 (protected 1-8) if necessary.

He's not perfect, but clearly has the vision of the kind of PG that would really help this team. He seems to possess some poise for his young age, and would probably help some of our inconsistent players improve - even someone like Knox. He's almost non-existent defensively, so that is a concern. I just think a pass first guard would do better next to RJ, compared to a smaller scoring point (eg Cole). Not even sure what I suggest would be considered - like to hear back about what it would likely take and if it's worth the price to pay.

I think the Warriors might be willing to trade down if they landed a top pick. In that scenario I'd guess they'd want to trade down for Okongwu to place C/PF for them now Green is on the decline. So maybe they'd do our pick plus (they'd want Mitch, but I'd say no!) a future pick and a couple of seconds, and maybe Frank or Bullock.
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5/14/2020  1:00 PM
If we had a top 3 pick and he was available I would take him and be happy about it, unless we were passing up Wiseman. I wouldn’t trade up for him though. His ugly shot and lack of defense scare me, even though his brother became a much better defender. It’s not worth giving up assets for him though.
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5/14/2020  1:05 PM
I'm guessing any moving up amounts to a huge overpay which I'd prefer not be the way the Knicks do business now.
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5/14/2020  1:48 PM
I rather get anthony edwards less drama the lamelo ball and his crazy father.
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5/14/2020  3:31 PM
houston20 wrote:I rather get anthony edwards less drama the lamelo ball and his crazy father.

I’ve gone back and forth about drafting Ball for so long now... I still don’t really know where I stand. Seems to possess prodigious playmaking ability and that’s about it?!?! No D and no jumper some of his shot taking decisions are appalling! When you calculate the risk of what he can currently bring vs his potential it’s another coin flip.

I would not want to give up too much that I do know. Edwards has been my preferred number one pick.
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5/14/2020  4:05 PM
houston20 wrote:I rather get anthony edwards less drama the lamelo ball and his crazy father.

What drama did his dad cause Lonzo in either LA or NO?
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5/14/2020  4:22 PM
If we stay we where we are and pick #6 and we assume Ball is going to go #1 then my limit is 6+27+38

I think that is very fair. No future compensation and no sacrificing assets we've spent time developing.

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5/14/2020  8:40 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/14/2020  8:43 PM
Sambakick wrote:If we stay we where we are and pick #6 and we assume Ball is going to go #1 then my limit is 6+27+38

I think that is very fair. No future compensation and no sacrificing assets we've spent time developing.

Obviously the scouting department needs to workout all of the top PGs but if they believe Ball can be what he looks like he can be (which is an all star pg) I would have no problem trading all our picks to move up and take him. Assuming we pick 6th and have to move up to 1 or 2. Really the only concern I have with Ball is the defense but I think that and the shot will improve with experience and strength training.

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5/14/2020  9:33 PM
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houston20 wrote:I rather get anthony edwards less drama the lamelo ball and his crazy father.

What drama did his dad cause Lonzo in either LA or NO?

lavar cried like baby that lonzo was in trade rumors for anthony davis. He put too much pressure on lonzo ball said his kid was better then steph curry. lavar Made fun of luke walton called him bad coach on national tv, lavar just causes too much drama. I think lamelo needs to go a team like the suns, piston, or hawks a small market team with less pressure .Teams that won't draft lamelo ball because of his father drama spurs,warriors , kings, hornets , and blazers .
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5/15/2020  1:20 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/15/2020  1:27 AM
Sambakick wrote:If we stay we where we are and pick #6 and we assume Ball is going to go #1 then my limit is 6+27+38

I think that is very fair. No future compensation and no sacrificing assets we've spent time developing.

I'd do this. 6+27+38. Swing for the fences. Ball has the chance to finally give the Knicks an identity and playing style. Other players in the draft might end up being good but I don't see another player that can immediately impact a whole team like Ball can. I think he'll improve every part of his game as he gets older and with NBA coaching.

I wouldn't give up any young players. It would suck to trade low on Knox and then see him finally have a breakout season (as predicted by Calipari 3rd season) for another team while the Knicks went thru the growing pains.
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5/15/2020  2:35 AM
houston20 wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
houston20 wrote:I rather get anthony edwards less drama the lamelo ball and his crazy father.

What drama did his dad cause Lonzo in either LA or NO?

lavar cried like baby that lonzo was in trade rumors for anthony davis. He put too much pressure on lonzo ball said his kid was better then steph curry. lavar Made fun of luke walton called him bad coach on national tv, lavar just causes too much drama. I think lamelo needs to go a team like the suns, piston, or hawks a small market team with less pressure .Teams that won't draft lamelo ball because of his father drama spurs,warriors , kings, hornets , and blazers .

And that was unbearable? Who cared? Why pass up on a possible talent like LaMelo Ball just because of a few pages of bad press (that we'll get regardless- don't need his dad for that). I just think it's crazy to pass up on him because you're worried his dad will do a few annoying interviews.
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5/15/2020  9:50 AM
smackeddog wrote:
houston20 wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
houston20 wrote:I rather get anthony edwards less drama the lamelo ball and his crazy father.

What drama did his dad cause Lonzo in either LA or NO?

lavar cried like baby that lonzo was in trade rumors for anthony davis. He put too much pressure on lonzo ball said his kid was better then steph curry. lavar Made fun of luke walton called him bad coach on national tv, lavar just causes too much drama. I think lamelo needs to go a team like the suns, piston, or hawks a small market team with less pressure .Teams that won't draft lamelo ball because of his father drama spurs,warriors , kings, hornets , and blazers .

And that was unbearable? Who cared? Why pass up on a possible talent like LaMelo Ball just because of a few pages of bad press (that we'll get regardless- don't need his dad for that). I just think it's crazy to pass up on him because you're worried his dad will do a few annoying interviews.

Of course it was unbearable. People LOVE LaVar. There were people dumb enough to buy his shoes as well. If he’s given an opportunity to speak, which he will whenever he wants, he can change the public perception and unnecessary pressure gets put on the team.

If we draft LaMelo (which I’m not fully against) and LaVar just acts like LaVar, then it would be a disastet.

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5/15/2020  10:42 AM
Lamelo is a talent. Question and potential problem is the fit. His game may not fit with RJ honestly. Knicks would have to completely build a team around his game and give him the ball. Which would be fine if he proves to be a player cappable of carrying a franchise. But if he isn't then you'd have catered to his game to make it work. Only for him to not be good enough to win with. Or he is a 6th man extrodinary, which you gave up assets to net.

If he is the guy, then it better come with a vision and a plan. And it probably won't be clean process. Or maybe he is that good and it would be.

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5/15/2020  1:01 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
houston20 wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
houston20 wrote:I rather get anthony edwards less drama the lamelo ball and his crazy father.

What drama did his dad cause Lonzo in either LA or NO?

lavar cried like baby that lonzo was in trade rumors for anthony davis. He put too much pressure on lonzo ball said his kid was better then steph curry. lavar Made fun of luke walton called him bad coach on national tv, lavar just causes too much drama. I think lamelo needs to go a team like the suns, piston, or hawks a small market team with less pressure .Teams that won't draft lamelo ball because of his father drama spurs,warriors , kings, hornets , and blazers .

And that was unbearable? Who cared? Why pass up on a possible talent like LaMelo Ball just because of a few pages of bad press (that we'll get regardless- don't need his dad for that). I just think it's crazy to pass up on him because you're worried his dad will do a few annoying interviews.

Of course it was unbearable. People LOVE LaVar. There were people dumb enough to buy his shoes as well. If he’s given an opportunity to speak, which he will whenever he wants, he can change the public perception and unnecessary pressure gets put on the team.

If we draft LaMelo (which I’m not fully against) and LaVar just acts like LaVar, then it would be a disastet.


Do you think james dolan is going to deal with lavar ball drama i think that can be a very ugly situation . Picture this situation knicks loss couple games lavar ball talks about knicks garbage on espn ,james dolan is going to throw lavar ball out garden charles oakley style.
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5/15/2020  1:49 PM
We need talent and we need to start focusing on higher quality talent
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5/16/2020  1:06 AM
wargames wrote:We need talent and we need to start focusing on higher quality talent

With the 6th pick, Haliburton does everything that Ball does AND PLAYS DEFENSE. Did I mention that he shoots the 3 at over 40%? A little less flash, a lot more substance.

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5/16/2020  4:41 AM
If they feel he is a star player and they come to us with a deal. You kind of have to pay unless it’s RJ, Mitch, or our own 2021,2022 draft picks. All other assets including the Mavs picks should be on the table, plus Frank, Knox, and DSJ, and cap space.

Like taking Wiggins shouldn’t be off the table.

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5/16/2020  4:41 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/16/2020  4:42 AM
Sangfroid wrote:
wargames wrote:We need talent and we need to start focusing on higher quality talent

With the 6th pick, Haliburton does everything that Ball does AND PLAYS DEFENSE. Did I mention that he shoots the 3 at over 40%? A little less flash, a lot more substance.

If they feel that way fine with me, but if they feel Ball is a star and Haliburton is a roleplayer then they need to be aggressive.

I say that as someone who like a Haliburton a lot.

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5/16/2020  5:37 AM
Just spent an hour watching Ball film. We have to get this kid if we can. I would trade all our picks this year to move up for him without hesitation. The kid is exactly what we have been looking for in a pg. He will open up RJ’s and Mitch’s games and allow us to take the ball out of Randle’s hands.
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