Rk 	Player 	 	From 	To 	G 	MP 	PER 	TS% 	3PAr 	FTr 	ORB% 	DRB% 	TRB% 	AST% 	STL% 	BLK% 	TOV% 	USG% 	  	OWS 	DWS 	WS 	WS/48 	  	OBPM 	DBPM 	BPM 	VORP
1	RJ Barrett	2020	2020	51	1551	10.3	.473	.271	.347	3.1	14.8	8.8	12.6	1.4	1.0	12.8	23.7		-1.6	0.9	-0.6	-0.020		-3.0	-1.5	-4.5	-1.0
2	Jaylen Brown	2017	2017	78	1341	10.3	.539	.319	.293	3.8	14.4	9.1	7.2	1.3	1.1	12.5	18.1		0.2	1.3	1.5	.053		-3.0	-0.8	-3.7	-0.6

Not a perfect comp by any means but both have the same exact PER in their rookie years and you basically see that RJ is a better passer and Jaylen was better shooter, albeit as a slasher on a loaded team. So, really, if RJ could shoot better than 59% from the charity stripe, his numbers are going to up. To me, that's one of the easier issues to address

martin wrote:

fishmike wrote:Im so on this train... Ill even take it a step further and say I am getting close and closer to seeing a Frank/RJ backcourt as having a real future. Frank's defense is so good. Like so good. He's got to stay on the court and (obviously) improve offensively but the core of his game is there. A Frank/RJ backcourt is really big and physical.

If Frank can hit 3s and RJ hit FTs I feel like these two could be part of a really good core.

RJ is great. He's got so far to grow and what we are seeing is really promising.

Feel like RJ/Frank could be a part of a high level guard rotation but the Knicks still need a high level guard/wing who can consistently break down defenses off dribble and get shot off with ease. RJ got the power thing going on and those long strides but I'm not there yet on him being that guy all the way.

If Frank had hit that three before he drew the charge, there'd be Frank MVP/HOF Candidate threads all over the place... He's growing on me. If he could just stay on the floor for a a full season. And if he could grow a jump shot. And if he could show this for more than a week at a time... And if...

Agree that RJ can bully ball at the moment, but just wonder how truly durable he's going to end up, if he tries playing that way consistently. I love that they show "last 3 game stats" for RJ. I forget who or what started the whole "small sample size" posts that used to appear in almost every thread...

jrodmc wrote:

martin wrote:

fishmike wrote:Im so on this train... Ill even take it a step further and say I am getting close and closer to seeing a Frank/RJ backcourt as having a real future. Frank's defense is so good. Like so good. He's got to stay on the court and (obviously) improve offensively but the core of his game is there. A Frank/RJ backcourt is really big and physical.

If Frank can hit 3s and RJ hit FTs I feel like these two could be part of a really good core.

RJ is great. He's got so far to grow and what we are seeing is really promising.

Feel like RJ/Frank could be a part of a high level guard rotation but the Knicks still need a high level guard/wing who can consistently break down defenses off dribble and get shot off with ease. RJ got the power thing going on and those long strides but I'm not there yet on him being that guy all the way.

If Frank had hit that three before he drew the charge, there'd be Frank MVP/HOF Candidate threads all over the place... He's growing on me. If he could just stay on the floor for a a full season. And if he could grow a jump shot. And if he could show this for more than a week at a time... And if...

Agree that RJ can bully ball at the moment, but just wonder how truly durable he's going to end up, if he tries playing that way consistently. I love that they show "last 3 game stats" for RJ. I forget who or what started the whole "small sample size" posts that used to appear in almost every thread...

on FT shooting alone Frank has proven that he has what it takes to improve his shot IMHO now he just has to execute.

Nalod wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

martin wrote:

fishmike wrote:Im so on this train... Ill even take it a step further and say I am getting close and closer to seeing a Frank/RJ backcourt as having a real future. Frank's defense is so good. Like so good. He's got to stay on the court and (obviously) improve offensively but the core of his game is there. A Frank/RJ backcourt is really big and physical.

If Frank can hit 3s and RJ hit FTs I feel like these two could be part of a really good core.

RJ is great. He's got so far to grow and what we are seeing is really promising.

Feel like RJ/Frank could be a part of a high level guard rotation but the Knicks still need a high level guard/wing who can consistently break down defenses off dribble and get shot off with ease. RJ got the power thing going on and those long strides but I'm not there yet on him being that guy all the way.

If Frank had hit that three before he drew the charge, there'd be Frank MVP/HOF Candidate threads all over the place... He's growing on me. If he could just stay on the floor for a a full season. And if he could grow a jump shot. And if he could show this for more than a week at a time... And if...

Agree that RJ can bully ball at the moment, but just wonder how truly durable he's going to end up, if he tries playing that way consistently. I love that they show "last 3 game stats" for RJ. I forget who or what started the whole "small sample size" posts that used to appear in almost every thread...

That he even tried the move in that moment was progress!!!
That Barrett shoots the airball the "bully's" his way in clutch moment. Huge!!
Worry he can sustain? Gotta worry about something I suppose. He mostly does his bullying with good footwork. The shot he took he was able to separate from the defender with minimal contact.
Glad Morris was made gone to open that up for him.

Feel like Tucker had some backward momentum going on but he is one of the stoutest defenders there are at 6'7", and 19 year old RJ bullied him

With that said, I'd love for RJ to become the guy. The biggest concern limiting his upside at the moment is that he really needs to get better as a shooter. He's improved over the course of the season - his 59 FT% is way up from earlier this season. In order for him to elevate his game, he'll need to improve his shooting A LOT (hey, Frank did it) or get more crafty and find a way to do more damage inside. For a guy that projects as a good bully around the basket and already is able to draw fouls, well, he's giving away points by not making the shots. It's been improving over time so maybe next season we'll see him crack 70%. For what it's worth his FG% is up to 40% again! Good shooting form will also hopefully ladder up to an improved in-game jumper. All told, if the rest of his game remains static but only his shooting improves to let's say 42%FG/33%3pt/70%ft, he'll already be a beast. If he can get better than that, we're talking high level all-star.

Knixkik wrote:RJ is looking very good. Frank can be a nice piece, but I still don't see a starter. I see him as a nice combo guard off the bench, and the player next to RJ needs to be an excellent spot up shooter/scorer. Maybe Haliburton or Cole Anthony can fit. VanVleet is another option.

TheGame wrote:Definitely on RJ bandwagon. I think he will be the heart of the team going forward. Frank is growing. We just have to hope Frank can continues to make marginal improvements each season. Maybe in 2 years, he plays consistently enough to be our backup pg/closer. We still need a more offensive minded pg, who is good from 3, which I hope will be Ball in this draft. Mitch is a beast. We have 3 guys who look solid. Plus iggy and Dotson are good. Knox is still a question but he still has potential. We do have to realize that these kids are still growing. They will all be better in 2-3 years.

Iggy is good? How do you know that?