Nalod wrote:fwk00 wrote:Nalod wrote:You do that trade because OKC makes us an offer we can’t refuse. CP3 contract has to be an issue for them and THEY PAY to move him.
Randle has shown to be a talent worth exploring. He is our best player, thats not on him, thats on the lack of roster talent on knicks. If OKC is not incentivized to move him then they won’t make an offer worthwhile.
Well, some of the conversations on that thread were exactly this kind of hypothesis.
First, Randle needs to be moved and its likely it will be for someone else's albatross. So what we are really speaking to in this thread is how do the knicks model the post-Fizdale roster.
Let's assume the trade for CP3 does go down. It adds two roster spots to the roster.
Randle, Portis, and DSJ are gone.
CP3 is added to Frankie, Payton, and Allen who did well under Miller in Westchester.
The Knicks add Wooten, a defensive minded C to back up Mitchell, Gibson is now free to play at PF.
But that adds to the Frankie mystery. His strength is in starting. He adds no fire off the bench per se (yet). Is he kept or dealt?
More likely, Payton is dealt. With CP3 in tow and Frankie and Allen backing, he's excess baggage.
Knox is another mystery piece. Low motor, low ambition (so far) - continue to invest or deal?
The other obvious consideration in taking CP is that free agency is going to continue to be slim pickings anyway.
DSjr only gone if he is deemed a lost cause. As I have said, we don't know whats happening with him? is it physical or in his head?
I think was are undervaluing Randle. forget the Point forward thing and take the ball out of his hands a bit and the turnovers are reduced. Lets reduce the 3pts a bit. Whats left? pretty good PF still.
For now at this moment Frank is our healthiest starter. I don't want him in the corner. When he is engaged he sets up others and is now shooting decently.
Bring in CP3? Lets pretend that Randle is not included but Portis, Payton, and some make believe cap thing cuz he is paid over 30mil. I want either prospect or picks that we can look to build with or trade with CP3 down the road. The more his contracts goes, the easier to trade him.
Is he a good mentor? He seems like a prick really. does he even want to be here and why would he? He still does State Farm commercials. Knicks is where you lose your mind and your brand dissipates. He'll be oft injured as per his history. So his contribution has to be in the form of playing enough to still impact, mentor Frank and DSjr, and not be total dyck. Like I said, OKC pays us. If not, not even a consideration.
Knox motor is low then he makes some great blocks. I think his head is messed up and like frank, the offense is not giving him an easy time. Lets see what happens. Im not giving up on these guys.
Morris? I like him. I don't know what to do with him. I think if you gave a handful of NBA players the license he has now they'd be good. I like him and what he brings. His trade value is limited given his pending free agency. If I have no intention of keeping him beyond then I'd be a good guy and waive him if no trade can be worked out. Portis is Jarred Jeffries. I think He brings what Isiah Hicks could have bought for 10x the price. Ouch.
If Fiz is wrong on Trier we'll find out soon enough.
Nalod,
A CP trade almost requires a combination of Randall and Portis (nothing against Portis) AND another contract. There's no magic to it. Its addition, subtraction, and transformation.
Now, Randall will be leaving not because he doesn't have talent but because he doesn't care. He has repeatedly been a slacker and no show in game after game and has demonstrated NO leadership whatsoever.
As for DSJ, I think here Fizdale listened to all of the media people who ranted and raved about DSJ's physical abilities but were blind as bats to his actual court play. He's a head case. Period. China will enjoy his athleticism very soon. We should never have signed him. He's nothing more than fiscal trade ballast in trades.
CP3 is an enigma. The public personna is that of a good guy, the clubhouse scuttlebutt is that he's the opposite. Obviously a risky trade should it come to pass. As I've suggested there are other options.
I also think you are confusing the concept of a rebuild with that of a reform school. The NBA is not about "giving up" on players but about creating a roster that has chemistry enough to win regardless of age. The FO, assuming they want to keep their jobs, have got to stop with the coddling of favorite assets.
DSJ was part of the Darko Porzingis trade. Face it, he's a dud. To keep investing in a bad asset is crazy. Let it go. Same with Randall. We've seen enough, cut bait.
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