Nalod wrote:Fred is a fine player. Kyle lowrey was too, and he got better as his team around him did. I think Fred might be similar. That might be true with 75% of the league. He would be our best guard if we moved him today. Im not here to promote or diss our current PG situation but I do want to see how this season plays out, what draft opportunities occur and really give Dennis the benefit of the doubt. Its a big doubt. When your 4-15 little looks good or projects as such.
Its the first week in December, we talking July.

Would I trade for him? Ujiri would kill us. Frank and a future first? Then watch Frank emerge on a better team? Masai, Morey or Presti calls, you hang up the phone!!!!

It wouldn’t be a trade. We don’t have enough without moving Barrett. It would only be signing him into cap space.

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Knixkik wrote:

Nalod wrote:Fred is a fine player. Kyle lowrey was too, and he got better as his team around him did. I think Fred might be similar. That might be true with 75% of the league. He would be our best guard if we moved him today. Im not here to promote or diss our current PG situation but I do want to see how this season plays out, what draft opportunities occur and really give Dennis the benefit of the doubt. Its a big doubt. When your 4-15 little looks good or projects as such.
Its the first week in December, we talking July.

Would I trade for him? Ujiri would kill us. Frank and a future first? Then watch Frank emerge on a better team? Masai, Morey or Presti calls, you hang up the phone!!!!

It wouldn’t be a trade. We don’t have enough without moving Barrett. It would only be signing him into cap space.

If you value him, you trade for him. His trade value is not that high if he is bolting Raptors.
It was more rhetorical question.

Why would your trade for someone who is a free agent ? I’d rather overpay with money than send any value to the other team.

Knixkik wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Nalod wrote:Fred is a fine player. Kyle lowrey was too, and he got better as his team around him did. I think Fred might be similar. That might be true with 75% of the league. He would be our best guard if we moved him today. Im not here to promote or diss our current PG situation but I do want to see how this season plays out, what draft opportunities occur and really give Dennis the benefit of the doubt. Its a big doubt. When your 4-15 little looks good or projects as such.
Its the first week in December, we talking July.

Would I trade for him? Ujiri would kill us. Frank and a future first? Then watch Frank emerge on a better team? Masai, Morey or Presti calls, you hang up the phone!!!!

It wouldn’t be a trade. We don’t have enough without moving Barrett. It would only be signing him into cap space.

If you value him, you trade for him. His trade value is not that high if he is bolting Raptors.
It was more rhetorical question.

Why would your trade for someone who is a free agent ? I’d rather overpay with money than send any value to the other team.

Hypothetically speaking that his. Maybe Toronto looks to rebuild on strength. I don't know where they are going with Lowrey and Gasol on the north side of 30. Im impressed with their season thus far.

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GustavBahler wrote:IDK, would be a little concerned about overpaying for a player who might be the product of a good system. Kind of reminds me of Chris Childs. Good PG, but overpaid. Would rather try to find a PG in the draft, not to mention find out who will be coaching and what kind of system they will run.

I don’t know how a player producing at VanVleet’s level could remind you of Childs. He’s been the second best player on a great team.

He should be on grate team to be effective as he is.
We are not ready for this type. Waste from both sides.
Of course if we can get him for just money or swith for redundant vets why not.

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GustavBahler wrote:IDK, would be a little concerned about overpaying for a player who might be the product of a good system. Kind of reminds me of Chris Childs. Good PG, but overpaid. Would rather try to find a PG in the draft, not to mention find out who will be coaching and what kind of system they will run.

I don’t know how a player producing at VanVleet’s level could remind you of Childs. He’s been the second best player on a great team.

Chris Childs stats declined when he came to Knicks from Nets. Im not sure I'd use this anlogy as knicks were better than Nets team he came from.

I think the point which I might agree with is take a good role player on a good team and have him be one of the better players on a lesser team.
Howard Eisley? Shannon Anderson?

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Knixkik wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:IDK, would be a little concerned about overpaying for a player who might be the product of a good system. Kind of reminds me of Chris Childs. Good PG, but overpaid. Would rather try to find a PG in the draft, not to mention find out who will be coaching and what kind of system they will run.

I don’t know how a player producing at VanVleet’s level could remind you of Childs. He’s been the second best player on a great team.

Chris Childs stats declined when he came to Knicks from Nets. Im not sure I'd use this anlogy as knicks were better than Nets team he came from.

I think the point which I might agree with is take a good role player on a good team and have him be one of the better players on a lesser team.
Howard Eisley? Shannon Anderson?

But VanVleet is the second best player on the raptors. Still don’t see how that compares to these names. The guys you mentioned were never the second best player on a good team.

Ibaka, Lowey and Gasol might be past their prime, but take them out?

Well lowrys been hurt all year. VanVleet has been better without him. He might be an allstar this year.

GustavBahler wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:IDK, would be a little concerned about overpaying for a player who might be the product of a good system. Kind of reminds me of Chris Childs. Good PG, but overpaid. Would rather try to find a PG in the draft, not to mention find out who will be coaching and what kind of system they will run.

I don’t know how a player producing at VanVleet’s level could remind you of Childs. He’s been the second best player on a great team.

Childs was playing well with the Nets, but was unable to replicate that success on the Knicks, got a big payday. Concerned that Vanleet might not be able to have the same success with a new team. That we will be paying for a player who looks good in a system thats fully baked. Not a rebuilding team.

From what I remember, Childs had one good stretch after Kenny A got injured. And he was 28 at the time. I remember wanting us to Sam Cassel at the time, but I think the front office was worried Sam was to offensive minded. The irony was that they ended up benching Childs for Ward because he was too offensive minded. I'd have concerns about signing Fred too, but I had those same concerns about Brogdan...we see how Brogdan is playing now. I can't call it. Fred could be the product of a system he's had years to get understand his fit in the system.

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BigDaddyG wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:IDK, would be a little concerned about overpaying for a player who might be the product of a good system. Kind of reminds me of Chris Childs. Good PG, but overpaid. Would rather try to find a PG in the draft, not to mention find out who will be coaching and what kind of system they will run.

I don’t know how a player producing at VanVleet’s level could remind you of Childs. He’s been the second best player on a great team.

Childs was playing well with the Nets, but was unable to replicate that success on the Knicks, got a big payday. Concerned that Vanleet might not be able to have the same success with a new team. That we will be paying for a player who looks good in a system thats fully baked. Not a rebuilding team.

From what I remember, Childs had one good stretch after Kenny A got injured. And he was 28 at the time. I remember wanting us to Sam Cassel at the time, but I think the front office was worried Sam was to offensive minded. The irony was that they ended up benching Childs for Ward because he was too offensive minded. I'd have concerns about signing Fred too, but I had those same concerns about Brogdan...we see how Brogdan is playing now. I can't call it. Fred could be the product of a system he's had years to get understand his fit in the system.

Its about giving a good PG a cap busting contract, like he was an elite one. Dont want to max a PG out anyway. Believe in the last 25 years or so, only two teams have won a chip, with a PG taking up a large part of the cap. Cavs with Irving (and LeBron running the point) and Tony Parker in SA, with Pops coaching.

Looks like we'll be getting another high pick, would rather find a younger PG to grow with our recently drafted players.

Yeah the draft comes first , so if we find our PG there then it’s a moot point. If the BPA is not a PG, then we are back in the same situation as this year. We don’t need a star PG, but we need someone who can hit shots and break down a defense and we don’t have that on our roster. Otherwise it will be the same thing, with the offense running through Randle regardless of our coach. You don’t need a star PG but you need a quality one. I’ll pay up for VanVleet because finding a 26 year old PG on the open market that can shoot, make plays and defend that has championship experience is rare and invaluable.