As for "the what would you expect" refrain, there were a lot of posters predicting .500 and a bunch of 50 win type expectations here. Everyone was upset with the 27.5 win over/under. 27.5 wins looks like a pipe dream to me. We're on pace to win 23 games. The next 11 games are against teams that made the playoffs next year. The only team of that 11 I think we are better than is Golden State. The season will be over before Christmas this year

knicks1248 wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:The only rational expectation is to continue to build through the draft.

Sounds like your saying, keep playing the Lottery and maybe one day you'll hit.

How about, bring in a experience proven F/O, draft well, make sensible trades that make you better, sign a Star FA or trade for one since nobody is eager to joined..

Along the way your more than likely going to have to make some sacrifices with the talent you drafted, or a future pick.

Assuming Dolan is not going anywhere it is hard to imagine that any experienced proven GM, Press, Coach can agree to work with the Knicks.
The compromise we have now is probably the best you can get under Dolan ownership.
Trades should be a part of the building strategy but they should increase our assets volume not deplete it.
We yet to see this kind of trades from Knicks in decades. Fortunately we do not see team depleting trades form this FO yet. And we do not need this type of trades to happen.
As far as signing or trading for a star this team is still years away from being attractive for anything else but big $$$.
We already saw this movie and it was no happy ending.
So draft is still a no-brainier top priority.
However NBA landscape is fluid and we should always be ready for any opportunity to improve the team in any way possible.

arkrud wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:The only rational expectation is to continue to build through the draft.

Sounds like your saying, keep playing the Lottery and maybe one day you'll hit.

How about, bring in a experience proven F/O, draft well, make sensible trades that make you better, sign a Star FA or trade for one since nobody is eager to joined..

Along the way your more than likely going to have to make some sacrifices with the talent you drafted, or a future pick.

Assuming Dolan is not going anywhere it is hard to imagine that any experienced proven GM, Press, Coach can agree to work with the Knicks.
The compromise we have now is probably the best you can get under Dolan ownership.
Trades should be a part of the building strategy but they should increase our assets volume not deplete it.
We yet to see this kind of trades from Knicks in decades. Fortunately we do not see team depleting trades form this FO yet. And we do not need this type of trades to happen.
As far as signing or trading for a star this team is still years away from being attractive for anything else but big $$$.
We already saw this movie and it was no happy ending.
So draft is still a no-brainier top priority.
However NBA landscape is fluid and we should always be ready for any opportunity to improve the team in any way possible.

Mills wanted that JOB and convince Dolan to give him a shot. he made a feeble attempt at hiring a real GM/President that had more knowledge, better connects, proven record.

The more we win, the better everyone looks, and it's the opposite if we lose. Everything in life comes down to results, and what your returns are on your investment.

arkrud wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:The only rational expectation is to continue to build through the draft.

Sounds like your saying, keep playing the Lottery and maybe one day you'll hit.

How about, bring in a experience proven F/O, draft well, make sensible trades that make you better, sign a Star FA or trade for one since nobody is eager to joined..

Along the way your more than likely going to have to make some sacrifices with the talent you drafted, or a future pick.

Assuming Dolan is not going anywhere it is hard to imagine that any experienced proven GM, Press, Coach can agree to work with the Knicks.
The compromise we have now is probably the best you can get under Dolan ownership.
Trades should be a part of the building strategy but they should increase our assets volume not deplete it.
We yet to see this kind of trades from Knicks in decades. Fortunately we do not see team depleting trades form this FO yet. And we do not need this type of trades to happen.
As far as signing or trading for a star this team is still years away from being attractive for anything else but big $$$.
We already saw this movie and it was no happy ending.
So draft is still a no-brainier top priority.
However NBA landscape is fluid and we should always be ready for any opportunity to improve the team in any way possible.

Hinkie's process was brutal but they traded for increased opportunities via draft. They drafted poorly but hit a few goods ones because that's reality of odds.
Expectations are this F/O Keep making the right calls. If you can increase opportunities you increase not the odds, but the volume of both failure and Success. That's what Hinkie did. Thats what his hedge fund owners asked of him. IN a nutshell that's what the trade for KP did. Im not saying I agree with what happened or even liked it. It did. All IM saying is the trade:
*Created two 1st round draft opportunities.
*Created an opportunity to evolve a 1st round 21 year old in Dennis to his talent level.
*Created capspace. Not a star, but randle and Morris fills up the stat sheet left by KP departure and are trade assets if need be.
*it also extended the timeline needed. That sucks. Fans get anxious. Rainman rants.

I'd rather we had patched things up with KP but that's water under the bridge.

The owner dictates the process. Neophyte Guys like Hinkie don't dictate to owner what to do. He was hired to execute a highly aggressive rebuild. Dolan You want to bring in a "Successful F/O" you evaluate based on the time and space the decisions were made and the task at hand in real time. Not make believe hindsight. Mills is capable of supervising Perry to do all the things the Rainman said we should do. Its just a question of when.

Lets go back to when Mills was hired to replace Phil:

Many around the NBA had considered it a foregone conclusion that Mills would head the players union last summer, but that all took a sudden turn when Knicks owner James Dolan surprisingly hired Mills to head the Knicks front office.

The renewed interest in the player’s union gig makes sense for Mills as he lost his title of team president to Phil Jackson and many believe that he will be reassigned from his current role of general manager.
The NBA union recently formed a search committee, headed by Sacramento mayor Kevin Johnson, to come up with a replacement for Billy Hunter, who was ousted in February 2013.

Mills is likely to be very high on their list

https://dailyknicks.com/2014/04/25/nba-rumors-knicks-steve-mills-running-top-nba-union-job/

Some of you think MIlls is just Dolan Lackey. He was pegged to be Union leader for the NBA players association.

Mills is qualified to be Team president. The notion of him being GM was curious as he was not qualified to be a GM. Phil was not qualified to be President but he was paid the big money and wanted final say. Logic says Mills stayed on the business side and Phil was the defacto GM regarding players, trades, picks, etc. Mills hires Perry ASAP when Phil departs. Mills role with MSG was not relvant to on court talent in his first assignment. To assume so he would have had a similar input to Rangers and Liberty rosters. Knicks are a 4 billion dollar enterprise now. Things have changed.

Via Wikipedia:

Mills worked for the National Basketball Association for sixteen years beginning in 1984 after having worked at Chemical Bank. Mills ascension while at the NBA was notable. He was an account executive in the corporate sponsorship department of NBA properties and program manager for NBA properties. He became vice-president of special events, after which he was senior vice-president of Basketball and Player Development,[5] Mills then became Chief operating officer and Sports Business President of Madison Square Garden in 2003.[6] His duties at MSG included supervising day-to-day operations, including finances, business strategies of the NBA's New York Knicks, NHL's New York Rangers and the WNBA's New York Liberty. All sports related activities were under his jurisdiction, including boxing, college basketball and track & field.

In 2009, Mills left MSG and joined Magic Johnson Enterprises where he helped create the Athletes & Entertainers Wealth Management Group, LLC (A&E).[7] of which he was a partner.

They are all accountable. Dolan panicked last week. Nothing changes until the product gets better. Until then its all academic.

knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:The only rational expectation is to continue to build through the draft.

Sounds like your saying, keep playing the Lottery and maybe one day you'll hit.

How about, bring in a experience proven F/O, draft well, make sensible trades that make you better, sign a Star FA or trade for one since nobody is eager to joined..

Along the way your more than likely going to have to make some sacrifices with the talent you drafted, or a future pick.

I see your sharing your baby pictures again, or is that a picture of you back in 2016 after another knicks loss..

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:The only rational expectation is to continue to build through the draft.

Sounds like your saying, keep playing the Lottery and maybe one day you'll hit.

How about, bring in a experience proven F/O, draft well, make sensible trades that make you better, sign a Star FA or trade for one since nobody is eager to joined..

Along the way your more than likely going to have to make some sacrifices with the talent you drafted, or a future pick.

I see your sharing your baby pictures again, or is that a picture of you back in 2016 after another knicks loss..

Nope. That's Nalod after reading your redundant posts.

I actually think that is a perfect representation of 1248

The Punisher.