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With all due respect was Dennis Smith Jr always this bad? We need to build this kid back up!
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fitzfarm
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11/13/2019  8:58 AM
With all respect to him personally I’m truly sorry for his loss.

I thought we had a player last year in DSJR I know his shot was suspect but he needs to go back to what feels natural what ever he worked on in the summer needs to be thrown in the trash. He looks like he doesn’t belong in the league or in any professional basketball league. He looks like they picked a guy out of the stands and said here go play pg.

DSJR making the front office look like fools for trading our best player for him when Phil got fired for trying to trade KP for Devon Booker and the #4 pick. Hello I’d take Phil’s trade in a heartbeat over what this office got in return.

Maybe the Dallas pick becomes a top 10 pick to save grace .


Someone needs to get this kids confidence back up how do we fix DSJR the kid was arguably the most talented player in his draft class. It looks like he lost his burst/quickness he’s not even attacking the rim, he’s even playing worst defense then his rookie year. He looks like he doesn’t love the game right now.


I understand he lost a family member and maybe he needs more time but man this front office needs to be held accountable for making that trade.
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11/13/2019  9:06 AM
He looks out of shape. Give him some time and see what we have in a month. If the same results time to cut bait.
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11/13/2019  9:13 AM
stanleybostitch wrote:He looks out of shape. Give him some time and see what we have in a month. If the same results time to cut bait.

His shape has nothing to do with his lack of defense. IMO, he's not fixable here. The reason being is that he costs us game momentum. One squad builds a lead, DSJ comes in and it evaporates,... that's back-breaking.

And for what? I already got Trier. In your wildest dreams who do you think DSJ is going to turn into?

The coming draft class will wash out the DSJs to China.
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11/13/2019  9:18 AM
Everybody who comes to the knicks has their Value sink to new depths.

Randle, Morris, Ellington, Portis..fiz has got these guys playing 10x worse than last season.

DSJ had a couple of triple doubles in dallas, and his problems started when Luka took over the play making duties..

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11/13/2019  9:19 AM
he is, and i fear always will be, an enigma

there were times in Dallas where the game looked soooo easy for him (but even then he would provide little effort on D)

now because of injury, fitness, or marching orders it seems the CS/FO is trying to change him into a jump shooter and distributor and it is extremely ugly/painful to watch

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11/13/2019  9:23 AM
He looks horrible.
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11/13/2019  9:26 AM
He is so lost. I don't know what the coaching staff is doing with him but he has regressed since the trade.
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11/13/2019  9:49 AM
knicks1248 wrote:Everybody who comes to the knicks has their Value sink to new depths.

Randle, Morris, Ellington, Portis..fiz has got these guys playing 10x worse than last season.

DSJ had a couple of triple doubles in dallas, and his problems started when Luka took over the play making duties..

did Mudiay? Did Voneleh? Did Burke (who touted as being signed by a contender)? Trier was undrafted, Mitch a 2nd rounder... did they find these guys outside Penn Station? Has Frank had some good game and shown many more good moments this year? He may not be there yet but he's closer for sure. Typical 1248 fox news style **** post. There are plenty of things to trash the Knicks on, pick one that is fact/reality based
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11/13/2019  9:59 AM
He was having a great summer and got hurt just before training camp.... then his step mother passed. He's got to stay away in my opinion until he gets his legs back. That's not going to happen. So he's got to vest it right under the hot lights
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11/13/2019  10:00 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/13/2019  10:00 AM
Knicks PGs are playing in a broken system and it is zapping their confidence.
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11/13/2019  10:08 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/13/2019  10:09 AM
EnySpree wrote:He was having a great summer and got hurt just before training camp.... then his step mother passed. He's got to stay away in my opinion until he gets his legs back. That's not going to happen. So he's got to vest it right under the hot lights

How do you define a "great summer" though? We saw videos of him in the gym playing pickup and heard he reinvented his shot. But how do you quantify a great summer? He didn't play in summer league. His shot looks the same as far as form with the hitch, and the results are worse. His confidence issues may be due to personal issues, and he's a step slow which may be due to injury or out of shape. But his shot looks broken and he looks out of sorts. The G league is perfect for him, and he shouldn't move up until he gets things figured out there.
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11/13/2019  10:16 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/13/2019  10:19 AM
Knixkik wrote:
EnySpree wrote:He was having a great summer and got hurt just before training camp.... then his step mother passed. He's got to stay away in my opinion until he gets his legs back. That's not going to happen. So he's got to vest it right under the hot lights

How do you define a "great summer" though? We saw videos of him in the gym playing pickup and heard he reinvented his shot. But how do you quantify a great summer? He didn't play in summer league. His shot looks the same as far as form with the hitch, and the results are worse. His confidence issues may be due to personal issues, and he's a step slow which may be due to injury or out of shape. But his shot looks broken and he looks out of sorts. The G league is perfect for him, and he shouldn't move up until he gets things figured out there.

"Great summer" = he got in great shape...

After that aren't we saying the same thing?

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11/13/2019  10:27 AM
EnySpree wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
EnySpree wrote:He was having a great summer and got hurt just before training camp.... then his step mother passed. He's got to stay away in my opinion until he gets his legs back. That's not going to happen. So he's got to vest it right under the hot lights

How do you define a "great summer" though? We saw videos of him in the gym playing pickup and heard he reinvented his shot. But how do you quantify a great summer? He didn't play in summer league. His shot looks the same as far as form with the hitch, and the results are worse. His confidence issues may be due to personal issues, and he's a step slow which may be due to injury or out of shape. But his shot looks broken and he looks out of sorts. The G league is perfect for him, and he shouldn't move up until he gets things figured out there.

"Great summer" = he got in great shape...

After that aren't we saying the same thing?

Yeah i guess you're right. I was just trying to figure out how we quantify him having a great summer. Getting into great shape i guess is a way.
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11/13/2019  10:29 AM
Career is over.

Stick a fork in em.
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11/13/2019  10:32 AM
Vmart wrote:Knicks PGs are playing in a broken system and it is zapping their confidence.
what is our sample size here? Mudiay, Kadeem Allen, Trey Burke, Frank, DSjr... these have been Fizdale's chess pieces. I get that Fizdale sucks, but folks are in for a rude awakening when the next coach comes here and his "system" stinks also.
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11/13/2019  10:37 AM
fishmike wrote:
Vmart wrote:Knicks PGs are playing in a broken system and it is zapping their confidence.
what is our sample size here? Mudiay, Kadeem Allen, Trey Burke, Frank, DSjr... these have been Fizdale's chess pieces. I get that Fizdale sucks, but folks are in for a rude awakening when the next coach comes here and his "system" stinks also.

It can't be any worse than what Fizdale has done.
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11/13/2019  10:42 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/13/2019  10:43 AM
fishmike wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:Everybody who comes to the knicks has their Value sink to new depths.

Randle, Morris, Ellington, Portis..fiz has got these guys playing 10x worse than last season.

DSJ had a couple of triple doubles in dallas, and his problems started when Luka took over the play making duties..

did Mudiay? Did Voneleh? Did Burke (who touted as being signed by a contender)? Trier was undrafted, Mitch a 2nd rounder... did they find these guys outside Penn Station? Has Frank had some good game and shown many more good moments this year? He may not be there yet but he's closer for sure. Typical 1248 fox news style **** post. There are plenty of things to trash the Knicks on, pick one that is fact/reality based

Please stop with this frank talk, this dude has played 131 games, started 31, as yet to score 20 lousy points. Guys who he'ss guarding, or suppose to be guarding are lighting it up having season or career highs.. snell , sexton, coby white, fox, kember..give me a break with frank, he's nobody special..The sooner you realize that the better

Every player in the NBA has good moments, but it's up to the player, coaching staff, and system, and the F/O to elevates that players moments into consistency, it's like a domino effect

They acquire 15 avg to below avg players that are either too young, don't fit with each other, don't compliment each other, don't fit the system, and since none of them are consistent, your coaching staff will completely sabotage the rotation grasping for straws..

mills doesnt know how to build a team,

Perry doesn't know how to evaluate talent

Fiz is as inconsistent as the players he's coaching, and his creativity is equivalent to franks play making ability..SUSPECT..

Those are FACTS son

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11/13/2019  10:53 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/13/2019  10:54 AM
fishmike wrote:
Vmart wrote:Knicks PGs are playing in a broken system and it is zapping their confidence.
what is our sample size here? Mudiay, Kadeem Allen, Trey Burke, Frank, DSjr... these have been Fizdale's chess pieces. I get that Fizdale sucks, but folks are in for a rude awakening when the next coach comes here and his "system" stinks also.

Will it be a rude awakening for you if their play gets better? Honestly you could say the PG position has regressed with Fizdale. Only guy who improved was mudiay and he was playing for a contract and broke plays to up his stats.
Only scenario that works for Fizz is all the Pgs have been hurt at some point. Frank last year, Smith this year, Payton this year and Allen. Right now Frank is the only one who is healthy, he will do what the coach wants over getting his own so he will play the system to a fault. The reason might be rooted somewhere in the coach player relationship. Which I don’t want to speculate on.

I don’t know if you guys listened To Breen , Mills and Frank spoke and Frank talked about consistency as per Breen. We all know the double standards Fizdale keeps. The way Frank plays he doesn’t seem to want to rock the boat for fear of getting yanked. Frank is only playing because of injuries otherwise he is riding the bench playing insignificant minutes.
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11/13/2019  11:05 AM
EnySpree wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
EnySpree wrote:He was having a great summer and got hurt just before training camp.... then his step mother passed. He's got to stay away in my opinion until he gets his legs back. That's not going to happen. So he's got to vest it right under the hot lights

How do you define a "great summer" though? We saw videos of him in the gym playing pickup and heard he reinvented his shot. But how do you quantify a great summer? He didn't play in summer league. His shot looks the same as far as form with the hitch, and the results are worse. His confidence issues may be due to personal issues, and he's a step slow which may be due to injury or out of shape. But his shot looks broken and he looks out of sorts. The G league is perfect for him, and he shouldn't move up until he gets things figured out there.

"Great summer" = he got in great shape...

After that aren't we saying the same thing?


I wonder if he lost too much weight. He looks kind of lethargic compared to last year. I understand he was injured, but they told us it was a muscle strain. That should be manageable. I think they're hiding something.
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11/13/2019  11:18 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/13/2019  11:18 AM
As bad as Smith jr. was last night, I saw some positives. Before his time off, Smith jr wasnt even trying to take it to the rim, use his burst to get by defenders. Was mostly sharing the rock and bricklaying. Last night Smith was trying to get to the rim, and drive and dish. Some burst was there, made a few nice dishes. But when he tried to elevate at the rim, he was getting stopped.


Legs arent there yet, but the aggressiveness was, thats an improvement, since he got back. My guess is that once Dennis has his legs back, he will finish better, and the fg pct will improve as he gains more confidence. Needs time to get into a rhythm, without injuries. Watch DSjr's first game as a Knick. The talent, the athleticism, is there. Needs a stretch where he doesnt have to deal with injuries, or problems off the court. Has dealt with a run of bad luck, hopefully will get through it, and make a case to stick around.
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