Marv wrote:i think dsj's injured and that's why he's playing like this. will he always be injury-prone? unfortunately he might be. but if not, he could still be something. i watched home come into ny right before the trade and ring up a triple double. looked great running that team and had a smooth 15 assists.

frank i'm afraid will never gel with fizdale. if he remains coach i think they'll get rid of frank. i just don't think fiz is going to get the kind of ball out of him that another coach will.

Then maybe we need another coach. If you can’t get the most out of your players, then why are you here? Not saying Frank shouldn’t be accountable. He should be. Frank looked like a deer in headlights though. Knox played decent but he got absolutely tooled by Derozan when he didn’t exist the rest of the game. Not saying that’s Fiz’s fault either. But when you stress defense and passing and it’s not happening, maybe he should be a litte responsible.

Nalod wrote:We are jumping to conclusions. I thought Payton should get the nod given his veteran status.
2;54 seconds is not enough to indict Frank. We have seen progress.
SMith has me most concerned. His lift and shot was bizarre last night. He looks hurt. Given he was the key piece of KP trade it makes me a bit queasy.
Trier’s defense was awful.
I’d go with Payton and frank to back up.

yeah it's not just 2.54. it's a full season, a preseason and 2.54. i think all the writing's on the wall at this point. frank & fiz ain't a drink that's gonna sell.

Panos wrote:At least we no longer have debate that we should have picked DSJr instead of Frank in the draft. They both on the roster and both suck. No reason for buyers remorse.

Yep. You said it. Unless you use a more intelligent approach and take um the last two years as pros into account over say 10 minutes of this year and two games after back stiffness. Nah, that would be too logical.

Look, Dennis looks pretty bad. May be his back. May be that he is Fultz like in confidence. May be that he is just not going to be a high level NBA player. Fact is you just cant say what it is in such a short time. Same goes with Frank. Who also looked pretty bad. Think the have showed many more signs of improvement over the summer and they cant be ruled on after just a couple of games. But how is that a silver lining? So we have two young assets and we are forming these type of opinions with 2 and 10 minute into the new year. And we are suppose to be happy about it? Nah. True Knick fans want ANY and ALL players on the roster to do well.

I think both Frank and Dennis have way too much talent to not be able to contribute. Now are they Donavan Mitchell. KP type draft picks. Think it has been proven thus far they are not.

newyorknewyork wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Marv wrote:

Nalod wrote:We are jumping to conclusions. I thought Payton should get the nod given his veteran status.
2;54 seconds is not enough to indict Frank. We have seen progress.
SMith has me most concerned. His lift and shot was bizarre last night. He looks hurt. Given he was the key piece of KP trade it makes me a bit queasy.
Trier’s defense was awful.
I’d go with Payton and frank to back up.

yeah it's not just 2.54. it's a full season, a preseason and 2.54. i think all the writing's on the wall at this point. frank & fiz ain't a drink that's gonna sell.

Marv, Im not sugar coating this with fairy dust. He has a lot to prove and last nite was awful. He had some bad passes, one might have been either a flat out bad pass or Randle did not continue to secure it.
He had a shot goal tended and a great pick and roll that Taj missed the dunk. It was not as dysfunctional as it was made out to be. Fiz saw a critical turn and yanked him.
Fact is had he let him settle down MAYBE the game goes different. its not like someone stepped up. Spurs still went on a big run with the others.
Given, I give Fiz the benefit of the doubt he saw something that warranted him to yank him. Fiz thru them all out there and they all looked bad but Payton.
If he is going to freak out every game these guys are going to be a mess. Gotta be cool!

Completely forgot about the missed dunk by Gibson that would have gave us all the momentum.

TPercy wrote:Was it just me or did Dennis Smith shot look...shot? Like the release was just way too slow, no confidence,etc..?

No confidence. He has a lot of hesitation on his jumpshot.

MS wrote:Frank was embarrassing last night, it’s not that he sucks he just came out lazy. Obviously hard as a young guy to get benched and then have to come in for two minutes when you know the coach doesn’t like you.

But he needed to grind harder out there.

Obviously they missed a gold tend on his layup and Gibson missed a dunk on a nice feed, he probably plays better if those things go his way.

But, Smith is troubling. His attitude has always been a big question mark.

If KP stays healthy those picks amount to nothing, which is a big iff. But, front office needed to repair and let him play this season and figure out a better trade or convince him to stay here long term. Can’t trade a guy if the best you can do is Dennis Smith!

KP can't have off nights in the western conference he has be ready every night and lets be real the mavs played the tanking wizards. Mavs are still at bottom in the west even though they won yesterday doesn't mean crap we will see in april if the mavs are in the playoffs which i doubt. I thought frank should been excited his option got picked does knows what that means it means more money for him, but guess frank can't be happy with raise in salary because played liked crap he needs to go to the gleague asap. If dennis smith back is hurting then he shouldn't play at all and rest himself for at least a month. If both smith and frank play like garbage then you just give kadeem allen their minutes.