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Fizdale stated Frank Ntiliikina will play “significant minutes” tonight. Pistons scout and ex-Knick Malik Rose in house. Detroit has been mentioned as liking Ntilikina. And wrote last year they inquired about Dotson.
Ntilikina’s contract option for his fourth year has an Oct. 31 deadline. Smith’s option faces a similar deadline, but it would seem difficult for Knicks brass to pass on executing it, considering he was the key piece of the Kristaps Porzingis trade.

Was Ntilkina also being showcased? There have been suggestions in Detroit the Pistons may have some interest. Pistons executive Malik Rose, a former Knick, was at the Garden for the game. The Post reported last season the Pistons asked about Damyean Dotson, who did not play Wednesday.

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houston20 wrote:

Vmart wrote:You never know with the Knicks. They simply don’t appreciate what they have.

I think perry doesn't trust frank long term and is looking trade frank for anything he can get. We also got to remember this frank option hasn't been picked up and perry said the knicks will make that decision by october 31 meaning either looking to trade him or not pick up frank option.

3 PGs is not a glut, he's 21 and may be able to play other positions. Not picking up his deal would be stupid but again its the Knicks.

DS looked like a robot without oil last night. Dude couldnt move. We have Elf, who's OK but essentially a cast-off on a one year deal. We have DSjr who cant stay on the court but I think most here like his talent level. Who's next? Kadeem Allen?

I like Frank but he has not played well. He's shown flashes, but nothing consistent. That being said he was drafted at 19 and everyone knew it was gonna be a few years. Well its a few years and we are seeing stuff. How much and consistent we'll see

fishmike wrote:

houston20 wrote:

Vmart wrote:You never know with the Knicks. They simply don’t appreciate what they have.

I think perry doesn't trust frank long term and is looking trade frank for anything he can get. We also got to remember this frank option hasn't been picked up and perry said the knicks will make that decision by october 31 meaning either looking to trade him or not pick up frank option.

what does that mean "doesnt trust Frank long term" ???

3 PGs is not a glut, he's 21 and may be able to play other positions. Not picking up his deal would be stupid but again its the Knicks.

DS looked like a robot without oil last night. Dude couldnt move. We have Elf, who's OK but essentially a cast-off on a one year deal. We have DSjr who cant stay on the court but I think most here like his talent level. Who's next? Kadeem Allen?

I like Frank but he has not played well. He's shown flashes, but nothing consistent. That being said he was drafted at 19 and everyone knew it was gonna be a few years. Well its a few years and we are seeing stuff. How much and consistent we'll see

fishmike wrote:

houston20 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

houston20 wrote:

Vmart wrote:You never know with the Knicks. They simply don’t appreciate what they have.

I think perry doesn't trust frank long term and is looking trade frank for anything he can get. We also got to remember this frank option hasn't been picked up and perry said the knicks will make that decision by october 31 meaning either looking to trade him or not pick up frank option.

what does that mean "doesnt trust Frank long term" ???

3 PGs is not a glut, he's 21 and may be able to play other positions. Not picking up his deal would be stupid but again its the Knicks.

DS looked like a robot without oil last night. Dude couldnt move. We have Elf, who's OK but essentially a cast-off on a one year deal. We have DSjr who cant stay on the court but I think most here like his talent level. Who's next? Kadeem Allen?

I like Frank but he has not played well. He's shown flashes, but nothing consistent. That being said he was drafted at 19 and everyone knew it was gonna be a few years. Well its a few years and we are seeing stuff. How much and consistent we'll see

What i mean is frank isn't perry guy and he doesn't want him for the future. Perry is more interested in dsj and payton then frank because the problem with frank is this frank offensive isn't good but defense is great. We got to give dsj more time he was rusty last night and perry more invested developing dsj then frank. Also frank hasn't got a start at the point guard position this preseason dsj and payton have gotten starts that has to tell you something how perry and fisdale view frank.

people say this stuff but it doesnt make sense to me. Perry is in the FO. He's got to evaluate talent, not play favorites.

Mario was a "Perry guy" also. He gone. I mean PG is the spot up for grabs. Perry cant afford to play favorites. His job is to give Fizdale options. Fizdale's job is to get 2/3 of these guys playing good BB.

I think perry has lot of control on the decision making and i also think fizdale agrees with perry on a lot situations. They asked fizdale about frank option the other day and fizdale said that's for scott perry to decide not for fizdale decide. Also look at this way fizdale wanted to draft knox, robinson, rj barret, ignas and sign the free agents that fizdale wanted like trier and payton. Fizdale wants to run a team with lot veteran player and some young guys and fizdale is not interested in developing certain players that are going to take lot of time like frank.

BigDaddyG wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Vmart wrote:You never know with the Knicks. They simply don’t appreciate what they have.

Trading frank or dotson would be a sacrifice for what the team is really lacking in, which is perimeter scoring.

If we can get kennard, a sniper who shoots 40% from downtown, then you can play him with barret or payton.

When frank made stops, we couldn't score, didn't push the pace, and turned the ball over twice in the clutch..so just like offensive player can score a bunch of empty stats, franks defensive was kind of wasted because we couldn't capitalize on the other end.

I'd rather keep Dot over kennard. Kennard was unplayable last year due to his poor D. Has that improved. If we trade Frank, I'd rather get picks back.

unfortunately Detroit's cubbard is fairly dry if it's a direct 1-to-1 trade:

INCOMING:

2021 second round draft pick from L.A. Lakers
L.A. Lakers' 2021 2nd round pick to Detroit [Detroit-L.A. Lakers, 2/6/2019]

2023 second round draft pick from Portland
Portland's 2023 2nd round pick to Detroit (via Cleveland) [Cleveland-Portland, 2/4/2019; Cleveland-Detroit, 6/26/2019]

OUTGOING:

2020 second round draft pick to Sacramento
Detroit's 2020 2nd round pick to Sacramento (via Phoenix) [Detroit-Phoenix, 7/9/2015; Phoenix-Sacramento, 6/23/2016]

2021 second round draft pick to L.A. Clippers
Detroit's 2021 2nd round pick to L.A. Clippers (via Philadelphia) [Detroit-Philadelphia, 6/21/2018; L.A. Clippers-Philadelphia, 2/6/2019]

2022 second round draft pick to Memphis, Chicago or Washington
Washington will receive the most favorable of Chicago's 2022 2nd round pick, Detroit's 2022 2nd round pick and the L.A. Lakers' 2022 2nd round pick; Chicago will receive the less favorable of (i) the more favorable of its pick and the Detroit pick and (ii) the L.A. Lakers pick; Memphis will receive the less favorable of the Detroit pick and the Chicago pick (via Chicago's right to swap for Detroit; via Washington's right to swap L.A. Lakers for Chicago or Detroit) [Chicago-Detroit, 2/8/2018; Detroit-Memphis, 2/8/2018; L.A. Lakers-New Orleans-Washington, 7/6/2019; Chicago-Washington, 7/7/2019]

2023 second round draft pick to L.A. Clippers
Detroit's 2023 2nd round pick to L.A. Clippers (via Philadelphia) [Detroit-Philadelphia, 6/21/2018; L.A. Clippers-Philadelphia, 2/6/2019]

I hope they keep Frank. Volume on this board will go down the tubes if Frank isn't around to talk about.

Nalod wrote:

houston20 wrote:

Vmart wrote:You never know with the Knicks. They simply don’t appreciate what they have.

I think perry doesn't trust frank long term and is looking trade frank for anything he can get. We also got to remember this frank option hasn't been picked up and perry said the knicks will make that decision by october 31 meaning either looking to trade him or not pick up frank option.

Or they might extend him, or they might not, or still keep him and then pay him less or more at the end of the season. Fact is you nobody knows what’s in Perry’s head.

I would lean toward knicks trading two players for one if it made sense.
Not a question of who is right or wrong, its about our players stepping up! Dennis looked really bad.

If the get rid of Frank, they had better get someone in the backcourt that plays D. That person hasn't shown up yet...

Sangfroid wrote:

Nalod wrote:

houston20 wrote:

Vmart wrote:You never know with the Knicks. They simply don’t appreciate what they have.

I think perry doesn't trust frank long term and is looking trade frank for anything he can get. We also got to remember this frank option hasn't been picked up and perry said the knicks will make that decision by october 31 meaning either looking to trade him or not pick up frank option.

Or they might extend him, or they might not, or still keep him and then pay him less or more at the end of the season. Fact is you nobody knows what’s in Perry’s head.

I would lean toward knicks trading two players for one if it made sense.
Not a question of who is right or wrong, its about our players stepping up! Dennis looked really bad.

If the get rid of Frank, they had better get someone in the backcourt that plays D. That person hasn't shown up yet...

I don’t think they are sacrificial. Frank plays a solid defense and that alone makes him more valuable. See what I don’t understand about the Knicks is their need to constantly meddle with positions. I would be very excited going into the season with Frank and Smith. How unnecessary was Payten. This team is it’s own worst enemy they can’t get out of their own f’ing way.

Trading KP I hate KP for his diva BS and his brother I would not have traded him for this BS of a package that we got in return. How do you trade him first off why? He is under contract. I don’t understand how the Knicks are trying to move Frank this guy is a winning player. If the Pistons are there to see and cover him over anything else the Knicks have that’s a sign this guy has something other teams want which makes him a good player to have. Our front office doesn’t see it. How is this organization going to develop anyone when they give up on everyone and think grass is always green elsewhere.

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Vmart wrote:You never know with the Knicks. They simply don’t appreciate what they have.

Trading frank or dotson would be a sacrifice for what the team is really lacking in, which is perimeter scoring.

If we can get kennard, a sniper who shoots 40% from downtown, then you can play him with barret or payton.

When frank made stops, we couldn't score, didn't push the pace, and turned the ball over twice in the clutch..so just like offensive player can score a bunch of empty stats, franks defensive was kind of wasted because we couldn't capitalize on the other end.

This is right..

But also, Frank runs the offense well. The problem is the offense is get the ball to X and let X go 1v1 ISO. There are no easy baskets in the offense. No sets they run with player movement.

I would also like to see offense/defense subbing. However, Smith and Payton are NO BETTER than Frank on the offensive side. DSjr should be but wasn't last game.

No it isn’t “right”. Young was pretty much taking over the game. There is no shot at winning without the defense Frank played on him down the stretch. Zero. To claim his defense was empty wow. That offensive rebound and assist to Portis was pretty damn clutch as well.

In hindsight, Trier could have came in for Morris with Barrett sliding over to the 3. Trier is more capable of getting deeper into the paint if we were gonna go iso the way we did.

Bembry exposed the lack of speed and athleticism we have at the forward positions though. He was able to get all the lose balls. They were able to just throw the ball up in passes to him and he was able to just get it while our guys looked like they were stuck in mud. We don’t have overall speed for spacing and iso offensively.

Randle has talent and is our big money FA signing. Fiz needs to find the way to flow the offense through him, but avoid getting caught up in iso. PNR with him and Barrett or Frank or something and have him doing passing or scoring reads off that.