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Nalod
Posts: 71157 Alba Posts: 155 Joined: 12/24/2003 Member: #508 USA |
9/26/2019 11:50 AM LAST EDITED: 9/26/2019 11:51 AM
Daniel jones had to prove it on the field.
Zach Lowe had to do something. He grabbed "rainmanitus" and ran with the negative. The core of his argument is "nobody came". We have become conditioned to the starphuck savior. If we got Durant, we'd get blasted. We got Irving, we'd get blasted. Knicks suck is why we get blasted. Knicks doing "small market rebuild" as if its stupid. Lowe talks about all the TV money but not the reality of Cap Would been good to talk specific players and why they did not come. Be good to discuss why Dolan is keeping players away. That we spend on 4 PF? Good point but kind of boring to make it a 5 min segment on live TV. "Same old Knicks"...........Well until otherwise shown on the floor that's what we got. Deservingly so. |
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NYKBocker
Posts: 38411 Alba Posts: 474 Joined: 1/14/2003 Member: #377 USA |
9/26/2019 11:59 AM
Nalod wrote:Daniel jones had to prove it on the field. The thing is...I see improvement on our team. We had a plan. we tried to get the 1st tier FAs and got nothing and instead of waiting like the Lakers we got an up and coming young player in Randle and a bunch of defensive minded young vets that can help our youngins. When we start the season 10 and 2 they better give us props. The only talking head that is giving us anything is Jalen Rose. It would be fun to see him say "I told you so". |
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Vmart
Posts: 31800 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 5/23/2002 Member: #247 USA |
9/26/2019 1:04 PM
Last time the Knicks had that was with Lin and the Knicks showed him the door out.
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jrodmc
Posts: 32927 Alba Posts: 50 Joined: 11/24/2004 Member: #805 USA |
9/26/2019 1:07 PM
Other than Barrett suddenly becoming the best pick in the past draft, there are no Daniel Jones effects going on with this team.
OP is bad analogy, but I would love to see Barrett become the Beast of NYC. My Zion fanboy hobby be damned. We've got a group of really young yoots, who have alot to prove at this level, after 1 season of historically bad, dysfunctional losing. (Did anyone actually SEE Fiz doing pushups on the sidelines last year?) The rest of the roster has nothing to do with a Daniel Jones-level effect. Another "Dolan's a billionaire loser idiot" thread... |
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Vmart
Posts: 31800 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 5/23/2002 Member: #247 USA |
9/26/2019 1:14 PM LAST EDITED: 9/26/2019 1:15 PM
I can see Frank bring that kind of energy. Had a very good FIBA and momentum built up to go forward. Jones came into the daft with number not on par with others. Frank fits that type of narrative. But the the only thing in Franks way Perry and Fizdale. Where Jones has his supporters in Shurmur and Getleman. Frank has no one that is why he mentions Mills not Perry and Fizdale.
Frank is the guy That is going g to turn this team around and make other better. |
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Nalod
Posts: 71157 Alba Posts: 155 Joined: 12/24/2003 Member: #508 USA |
9/26/2019 2:13 PM
NYKBocker wrote:Nalod wrote:Daniel jones had to prove it on the field. Im hopeful. While hardly the Salty hater I am excited to see what becomes of this team and the players. Results? I want wins like anyone and Im happy with our progress. Sure I wanted a healthy Durant and his Side kick but the fact was our talent was too young to accept that kind of infusion. Nets are a good team for them. It at least shows players do want to play in NY!!!! If they surprise me, that's great. My bar is not that high. If they disappoint it will depend on what happened as to how I'll feel. At the end of the day KP was a disappointment. Blame his brother, his arrogance, his knee or front office really does not matter. It is what it is and was what it was. I don't fault Knicks logic for making the trade at the moment it happened. We get hindsight going forward. Use it to hate on FO or on him. Maybe I think too much. Or too little. |
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fishmike
Posts: 53829 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2002 Member: #298 USA |
9/26/2019 2:37 PM
Vmart wrote:I can see Frank bring that kind of energy. Had a very good FIBA and momentum built up to go forward. Jones came into the daft with number not on par with others. Frank fits that type of narrative. But the the only thing in Franks way Perry and Fizdale. Where Jones has his supporters in Shurmur and Getleman. Frank has no one that is why he mentions Mills not Perry and Fizdale.I can see you building up your narrative... Frank under performs to your unrealistic expectations, Vmart gets to blame Fizdale... you are setting your stage nicely Frank was a physical prospect and most everyone knew he was going to take some time. Now a couple years into he's starting to show. Go figure! Which one of these guys will be better NBA player than they were last year? Its not a given that every young player will progress and get better, but these are the 6 guys from last year we expect to see fight for roles and rotation spots. Are we expecting status quo? Adding new players isnt the only way to get better. "winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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Vmart
Posts: 31800 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 5/23/2002 Member: #247 USA |
9/26/2019 3:21 PM
fishmike wrote:Vmart wrote:I can see Frank bring that kind of energy. Had a very good FIBA and momentum built up to go forward. Jones came into the daft with number not on par with others. Frank fits that type of narrative. But the the only thing in Franks way Perry and Fizdale. Where Jones has his supporters in Shurmur and Getleman. Frank has no one that is why he mentions Mills not Perry and Fizdale.I can see you building up your narrative... Frank under performs to your unrealistic expectations, Vmart gets to blame Fizdale... you are setting your stage nicely The stage is set now it just has to play out. Hope Frank gets a fair opportunity from Perry and Fizdale. |
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fishmike
Posts: 53829 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2002 Member: #298 USA |
9/26/2019 3:31 PM
Vmart wrote:and what if he doesnt perform well and guy DS/Payton are the PGs and RJ/Trier/Ellington are the 2s and Morris/Knox/Dotson are the 3s... what if those guys play well and Frank shoot 30% in the preseason? Will that be because he didnt get a fair chance? Will it be Fizdale's fault Frank wasnt hitting shots and other guys played well? How many losses will be blamed on Frank not being used properly?fishmike wrote:Vmart wrote:I can see Frank bring that kind of energy. Had a very good FIBA and momentum built up to go forward. Jones came into the daft with number not on par with others. Frank fits that type of narrative. But the the only thing in Franks way Perry and Fizdale. Where Jones has his supporters in Shurmur and Getleman. Frank has no one that is why he mentions Mills not Perry and Fizdale.I can see you building up your narrative... Frank under performs to your unrealistic expectations, Vmart gets to blame Fizdale... you are setting your stage nicely I love Frank. I think he's a great physical player and will play a great role here, but he may need more time and he's a part, not the heart. There are a lot of guys who played better than Frank last year. He had a good Fiba tourney. Thats nice. "winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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fishmike
Posts: 53829 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2002 Member: #298 USA |
9/26/2019 3:44 PM
Vmart wrote:I can see Frank bring that kind of energy. Had a very good FIBA and momentum built up to go forward. Jones came into the daft with number not on par with others. Frank fits that type of narrative. But the the only thing in Franks way Perry and Fizdale. Where Jones has his supporters in Shurmur and Getleman. Frank has no one that is why he mentions Mills not Perry and Fizdale.ESPN disagrees  ouch (just for the record I hate ESPN more than VMart's salty attitude  )"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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Vmart
Posts: 31800 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 5/23/2002 Member: #247 USA |
9/26/2019 3:46 PM
fishmike wrote:Vmart wrote:and what if he doesnt perform well and guy DS/Payton are the PGs and RJ/Trier/Ellington are the 2s and Morris/Knox/Dotson are the 3s... what if those guys play well and Frank shoot 30% in the preseason? Will that be because he didnt get a fair chance? Will it be Fizdale's fault Frank wasnt hitting shots and other guys played well? How many losses will be blamed on Frank not being used properly?fishmike wrote:Vmart wrote:I can see Frank bring that kind of energy. Had a very good FIBA and momentum built up to go forward. Jones came into the daft with number not on par with others. Frank fits that type of narrative. But the the only thing in Franks way Perry and Fizdale. Where Jones has his supporters in Shurmur and Getleman. Frank has no one that is why he mentions Mills not Perry and Fizdale.I can see you building up your narrative... Frank under performs to your unrealistic expectations, Vmart gets to blame Fizdale... you are setting your stage nicely First and foremost it depends on the type of opportunity Frank is given. If he is set up to fail then yes it will be Fizdale and Perry’s fault. But if Frank performs well and is jerked around. Can you support that? You might not see it but Perry is going to promote his guys and he will push that on Fizdale who is not much of a coach more a survivor and will accommodate Perry. Mills is the only reason why Frank is around as Frank was his and Phil’s pick. Besides with the lack of coaching ability on Fizdale’s part the Knicks won’t be very good anyways. I don’t see him getting past January-February. |
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fishmike
Posts: 53829 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2002 Member: #298 USA |
9/26/2019 3:53 PM
Vmart wrote:Why do you think Fizdale took Frank to those games last off season?fishmike wrote:Vmart wrote:and what if he doesnt perform well and guy DS/Payton are the PGs and RJ/Trier/Ellington are the 2s and Morris/Knox/Dotson are the 3s... what if those guys play well and Frank shoot 30% in the preseason? Will that be because he didnt get a fair chance? Will it be Fizdale's fault Frank wasnt hitting shots and other guys played well? How many losses will be blamed on Frank not being used properly?fishmike wrote:Vmart wrote:I can see Frank bring that kind of energy. Had a very good FIBA and momentum built up to go forward. Jones came into the daft with number not on par with others. Frank fits that type of narrative. But the the only thing in Franks way Perry and Fizdale. Where Jones has his supporters in Shurmur and Getleman. Frank has no one that is why he mentions Mills not Perry and Fizdale.I can see you building up your narrative... Frank under performs to your unrealistic expectations, Vmart gets to blame Fizdale... you are setting your stage nicely "winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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Vmart
Posts: 31800 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 5/23/2002 Member: #247 USA |
9/26/2019 4:15 PM
fishmike wrote:Vmart wrote:I can see Frank bring that kind of energy. Had a very good FIBA and momentum built up to go forward. Jones came into the daft with number not on par with others. Frank fits that type of narrative. But the the only thing in Franks way Perry and Fizdale. Where Jones has his supporters in Shurmur and Getleman. Frank has no one that is why he mentions Mills not Perry and Fizdale.ESPN disagrees Just like you Fish. Always looking for others opinion to guide you and your thought process. Anyone who watches basketball knows Franks talent has him at 1-3 in dept chart. Now did ESPN come up with the depth chart based on perry and Fizdale and Frank not being one of theirs? There are numerous reports out there that Perry wants Frank gone because he is not his pick. Fish if you only had a brain to see what is unfolding before your eye. Anyways why you hating on Frank seems you’re taking pride in Frank being 5th on the dept chart. |
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newyorknewyork
Posts: 30118 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 1/16/2004 Member: #541 |
9/26/2019 4:47 PM
Vmart wrote:fishmike wrote:Vmart wrote:I can see Frank bring that kind of energy. Had a very good FIBA and momentum built up to go forward. Jones came into the daft with number not on par with others. Frank fits that type of narrative. But the the only thing in Franks way Perry and Fizdale. Where Jones has his supporters in Shurmur and Getleman. Frank has no one that is why he mentions Mills not Perry and Fizdale.ESPN disagrees The thing is Perry should be look at Frank as house money since he wasn't his pick. If he moves Frank and Frank becomes something of quality. Thats a negative mark on Perry's resume that he created. Yet if he kept Frank and Frank flamed out. Noone would critque him for it since its not his pick. But I don't agree that Frank wasn't given fair opportunity either. He has gotten hurt and played poorly as well. Opportunity isn't where they did him wrong. Where they did him wrong was having no system allowing for so much free lance play which wasn't his game. https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
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newyorknewyork
Posts: 30118 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 1/16/2004 Member: #541 |
9/26/2019 4:48 PM
Frank can force the issue by tearing up practice and performing when his number is called.
https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
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BigDaddyG
Posts: 39880 Alba Posts: 9 Joined: 1/22/2010 Member: #3049 |
9/26/2019 10:48 PM LAST EDITED: 9/26/2019 10:49 PM
fishmike wrote:Vmart wrote:I can see Frank bring that kind of energy. Had a very good FIBA and momentum built up to go forward. Jones came into the daft with number not on par with others. Frank fits that type of narrative. But the the only thing in Franks way Perry and Fizdale. Where Jones has his supporters in Shurmur and Getleman. Frank has no one that is why he mentions Mills not Perry and Fizdale.ESPN disagrees The fact they have Bullock at 2 on the positional depth chart, at SG no less, means I can't take this chart seriously. Is he even playing before the start of the new year? Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right.
- The Tick
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CrushAlot
Posts: 59764 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/25/2003 Member: #452 USA |
9/26/2019 10:48 PM
NYKBocker wrote:Everybody was ragging on the Giants for taking Daniel Jones with the 6th pick on draft day and it continued the following day and all the way to preseason. Jones showed everybody up and now is the talk of the media world. I want this to happen to our beloved Knicks. Everybody is ragging on us and I think this group will be a defensive tough minded group. Put Frank and Mitch together and let's stop everybody. Randle will be an All-Star and DSJr will electrify. I thought Lowe was too smart to go there. Things changed when Durant ruptured his achilles. The Knicks were right to be concerned about bringing in Kyrie. We know now that the Knicks protected KP from at least two other incidents besides the one being litigated. It sucks that the Mavs and Cuban aren’t called out for being the no character organization that they are. But the Knicks have a ton of picks and flexibility and young players. F@ck the Nets. F@ck Zach Lowe. F@ck Espn and their biased player rankings. Let’s go Knicks. I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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CrushAlot
Posts: 59764 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/25/2003 Member: #452 USA |
9/26/2019 11:09 PM
fishmike wrote:Agree about Vmart building up a narrative where if Frank continues to not be a good nba player it is the fault of Fiz and the organization. I hope Frank succeeds. I think Frank because of his poor play in the nba or Dot because of his contract are the most likely to be traded.Vmart wrote:I can see Frank bring that kind of energy. Had a very good FIBA and momentum built up to go forward. Jones came into the daft with number not on par with others. Frank fits that type of narrative. But the the only thing in Franks way Perry and Fizdale. Where Jones has his supporters in Shurmur and Getleman. Frank has no one that is why he mentions Mills not Perry and Fizdale.I can see you building up your narrative... Frank under performs to your unrealistic expectations, Vmart gets to blame Fizdale... you are setting your stage nicely I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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fishmike
Posts: 53829 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2002 Member: #298 USA |
9/27/2019 9:27 AM
CrushAlot wrote:We'll see. I hope they keep Frank. He's got a unique skill set and physical profile. His upside, especially with talent around remains tantalizing. They drafted a project, hopefully this is the year he's a part of the rotation doing the good we have seen him do. That being said Frank is a piece of the puzzle. This "he's going to be the one to lead us" is another agenda all together. The ultimate upside is he plays a Draymond type role although more of a 2/3 than 4. Not all these guys are going to stick. Thats also part of the process. The best part about Frank is the type of player he is, not anything he's done on the NBA court. Showing flashes does equate to the guy who's going to lead us out of this mess (despite Fizdale)fishmike wrote:Agree about Vmart building up a narrative where if Frank continues to not be a good nba player it is the fault of Fiz and the organization. I hope Frank succeeds. I think Frank because of his poor play in the nba or Dot because of his contract are the most likely to be traded.Vmart wrote:I can see Frank bring that kind of energy. Had a very good FIBA and momentum built up to go forward. Jones came into the daft with number not on par with others. Frank fits that type of narrative. But the the only thing in Franks way Perry and Fizdale. Where Jones has his supporters in Shurmur and Getleman. Frank has no one that is why he mentions Mills not Perry and Fizdale.I can see you building up your narrative... Frank under performs to your unrealistic expectations, Vmart gets to blame Fizdale... you are setting your stage nicely "winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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