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CrushAlot wrote:This is what I saw. Must be fake.
https://www.reddit.com/r/NYKnicks/comments/c5f765/ya_love_to_see_it/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app

.... especially considering free agency doesn't start until Sunday 6pm and you can only make offers.

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CrushAlot wrote:This is what I saw. Must be fake.
https://www.reddit.com/r/NYKnicks/comments/c5f765/ya_love_to_see_it/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app
.... especially considering free agency doesn't start until Sunday 6pm and you can only make offers.

When can they actually sign? The 6th?

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So we gave Mud a great opportunity to expand/improve his game, which he did, and we got absolutely nothing for that other than further alienation and less opportunity for our own lottery pick

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Chandler wrote:So we gave Mud a great opportunity to expand/improve his game, which he did, and we got absolutely nothing for that other than further alienation and less opportunity for our own lottery pick

not entirely true... we got a closer look. This season he played much better (but not good enough IMO) and frankly that would be something we'd have done historically. Get enticed by one 'average' season a la THJ. So we know better and Mudiay is gonna go somewhere else and get paid. If that happens agents with clients like Mudiay will push fo rthem to get traded to the Knicks. So I think we did gain some stuff. Goodwill and 'free' look at someone that many thought would be a star in the NBA

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Chandler wrote:So we gave Mud a great opportunity to expand/improve his game, which he did, and we got absolutely nothing for that other than further alienation and less opportunity for our own lottery pick

Correct. And many predicted this outcome. But Scott Perry was "very high on Mudiay" when Orlando instead chose to select Hezonja. Scott "double down on past failed ideas" Perry will just further the cycle of betting on losing players.

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Chandler wrote:So we gave Mud a great opportunity to expand/improve his game, which he did, and we got absolutely nothing for that other than further alienation and less opportunity for our own lottery pick
not entirely true... we got a closer look. This season he played much better (but not good enough IMO) and frankly that would be something we'd have done historically. Get enticed by one 'average' season a la THJ. So we know better and Mudiay is gonna go somewhere else and get paid. If that happens agents with clients like Mudiay will push fo rthem to get traded to the Knicks. So I think we did gain some stuff. Goodwill and 'free' look at someone that many thought would be a star in the NBA

We completely devalued our first rounder Frank Ntilikina.... oh but Frank's a PHIL guy.

Perry can't have that.

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Chandler wrote:So we gave Mud a great opportunity to expand/improve his game, which he did, and we got absolutely nothing for that other than further alienation and less opportunity for our own lottery pick

Wasn't his cap hold about 14mm?? That is not happening. So what did we get?
reality is he is a decent NBA player in a role. Most certainly at a price lower then his cap hold. He tests the market, see's what he can get.
He knows us and we know him.
It is not bad cred to be a place where players improve. Mario we learned might be a better 2. He had a tough season but by the end he came on. He has done it before stat wise but this was fundamentally a better look from him.

Personally I don't have any vested interest in either returning. I'd just as soon give Braz Mario's minutes and Barrett can start at the two unless he is a total embarrassment. Then we have other problems.

If he can't find another job he'll come back on a one year deal for a lot less money. A lot less. Then his value looks different.

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Chandler wrote:So we gave Mud a great opportunity to expand/improve his game, which he did, and we got absolutely nothing for that other than further alienation and less opportunity for our own lottery pick

I agree with you. This is what the Knicks do. Grass is greener everywhere else.

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I like Luke...good stretch 5 and defends pretty well. Good handles and good paser for a big guy.

Mudiay turned some heads. He is still young. Good backup i think. Needs to improve his D.

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Chandler wrote:So we gave Mud a great opportunity to expand/improve his game, which he did, and we got absolutely nothing for that other than further alienation and less opportunity for our own lottery pick
not entirely true... we got a closer look. This season he played much better (but not good enough IMO) and frankly that would be something we'd have done historically. Get enticed by one 'average' season a la THJ. So we know better and Mudiay is gonna go somewhere else and get paid. If that happens agents with clients like Mudiay will push fo rthem to get traded to the Knicks. So I think we did gain some stuff. Goodwill and 'free' look at someone that many thought would be a star in the NBA

We completely devalued our first rounder Frank Ntilikina.... oh but Frank's a PHIL guy.
Perry can't have that.

'we' devalued Frank? no, Frank just sucks

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Chandler wrote:So we gave Mud a great opportunity to expand/improve his game, which he did, and we got absolutely nothing for that other than further alienation and less opportunity for our own lottery pick
Wasn't his cap hold about 14mm?? That is not happening. So what did we get?
reality is he is a decent NBA player in a role. Most certainly at a price lower then his cap hold. He tests the market, see's what he can get.
He knows us and we know him.
It is not bad cred to be a place where players improve. Mario we learned might be a better 2. He had a tough season but by the end he came on. He has done it before stat wise but this was fundamentally a better look from him.
Personally I don't have any vested interest in either returning. I'd just as soon give Braz Mario's minutes and Barrett can start at the two unless he is a total embarrassment. Then we have other problems.
If he can't find another job he'll come back on a one year deal for a lot less money. A lot less. Then his value looks different.

Yup

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Chandler wrote:So we gave Mud a great opportunity to expand/improve his game, which he did, and we got absolutely nothing for that other than further alienation and less opportunity for our own lottery pick
not entirely true... we got a closer look. This season he played much better (but not good enough IMO) and frankly that would be something we'd have done historically. Get enticed by one 'average' season a la THJ. So we know better and Mudiay is gonna go somewhere else and get paid. If that happens agents with clients like Mudiay will push fo rthem to get traded to the Knicks. So I think we did gain some stuff. Goodwill and 'free' look at someone that many thought would be a star in the NBA

We completely devalued our first rounder Frank Ntilikina.... oh but Frank's a PHIL guy.
Perry can't have that.
'we' devalued Frank? no, Frank just sucks

The concept Fizdale had sucked. The man was brought here for one thing only and it’s going to be a colossal fail. He was suppose to attract free agents because he was in on the superstar crowd. Other than that he is a coaching hack.

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SupremeCommander wrote:
Sambakick wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
Chandler wrote:So we gave Mud a great opportunity to expand/improve his game, which he did, and we got absolutely nothing for that other than further alienation and less opportunity for our own lottery pick
not entirely true... we got a closer look. This season he played much better (but not good enough IMO) and frankly that would be something we'd have done historically. Get enticed by one 'average' season a la THJ. So we know better and Mudiay is gonna go somewhere else and get paid. If that happens agents with clients like Mudiay will push fo rthem to get traded to the Knicks. So I think we did gain some stuff. Goodwill and 'free' look at someone that many thought would be a star in the NBA

We completely devalued our first rounder Frank Ntilikina.... oh but Frank's a PHIL guy.
Perry can't have that.
'we' devalued Frank? no, Frank just sucks
The concept Fizdale had sucked. The man was brought here for one thing only and it’s going to be a colossal fail. He was suppose to attract free agents because he was in on the superstar crowd. Other than that he is a coaching hack.

I don't disagree there. I think the jury is still out but that said he hasn't proven himself either. Pinning Frank's shortcomings on Mudiay baffles me though

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Vmart wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
Sambakick wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
Chandler wrote:So we gave Mud a great opportunity to expand/improve his game, which he did, and we got absolutely nothing for that other than further alienation and less opportunity for our own lottery pick
not entirely true... we got a closer look. This season he played much better (but not good enough IMO) and frankly that would be something we'd have done historically. Get enticed by one 'average' season a la THJ. So we know better and Mudiay is gonna go somewhere else and get paid. If that happens agents with clients like Mudiay will push fo rthem to get traded to the Knicks. So I think we did gain some stuff. Goodwill and 'free' look at someone that many thought would be a star in the NBA

We completely devalued our first rounder Frank Ntilikina.... oh but Frank's a PHIL guy.
Perry can't have that.
'we' devalued Frank? no, Frank just sucks
The concept Fizdale had sucked. The man was brought here for one thing only and it’s going to be a colossal fail. He was suppose to attract free agents because he was in on the superstar crowd. Other than that he is a coaching hack.
I don't disagree there. I think the jury is still out but that said he hasn't proven himself either. Pinning Frank's shortcomings on Mudiay baffles me though

I agree Frank was bad it was obvious. But Mudiay had no business being in the team period.

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SupremeCommander wrote:
Chandler wrote:So we gave Mud a great opportunity to expand/improve his game, which he did, and we got absolutely nothing for that other than further alienation and less opportunity for our own lottery pick
not entirely true... we got a closer look. This season he played much better (but not good enough IMO) and frankly that would be something we'd have done historically. Get enticed by one 'average' season a la THJ. So we know better and Mudiay is gonna go somewhere else and get paid. If that happens agents with clients like Mudiay will push fo rthem to get traded to the Knicks. So I think we did gain some stuff. Goodwill and 'free' look at someone that many thought would be a star in the NBA

We completely devalued our first rounder Frank Ntilikina.... oh but Frank's a PHIL guy.
Perry can't have that.
'we' devalued Frank? no, Frank just sucks
The concept Fizdale had sucked. The man was brought here for one thing only and it’s going to be a colossal fail. He was suppose to attract free agents because he was in on the superstar crowd. Other than that he is a coaching hack.
I don't disagree there. I think the jury is still out but that said he hasn't proven himself either. Pinning Frank's shortcomings on Mudiay baffles me though
I agree Frank was bad it was obvious. But Mudiay had no business being in the team period.

I don't have an issue with the team auditioning guys like Mudiay, Vonleh, Mario, Burke, etc. They are lotto picks other teams gave up on. You don't expect much out of that type of player in most cases but occasionally you get a diamond in the rough. If the Knicks didn't have a bunch of crap on the roster we probably would resign Vonleh - but they are going this route because we have a bunch of crap on the roster. I try to give management/coaches 2.5 years. If we draft well and have a smart signing or too, the future will bright after this season. If they fumble well then I will vote to fire everyone

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Vmart wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
Vmart wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
Sambakick wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
Chandler wrote:So we gave Mud a great opportunity to expand/improve his game, which he did, and we got absolutely nothing for that other than further alienation and less opportunity for our own lottery pick
not entirely true... we got a closer look. This season he played much better (but not good enough IMO) and frankly that would be something we'd have done historically. Get enticed by one 'average' season a la THJ. So we know better and Mudiay is gonna go somewhere else and get paid. If that happens agents with clients like Mudiay will push fo rthem to get traded to the Knicks. So I think we did gain some stuff. Goodwill and 'free' look at someone that many thought would be a star in the NBA

We completely devalued our first rounder Frank Ntilikina.... oh but Frank's a PHIL guy.
Perry can't have that.
'we' devalued Frank? no, Frank just sucks
The concept Fizdale had sucked. The man was brought here for one thing only and it’s going to be a colossal fail. He was suppose to attract free agents because he was in on the superstar crowd. Other than that he is a coaching hack.
I don't disagree there. I think the jury is still out but that said he hasn't proven himself either. Pinning Frank's shortcomings on Mudiay baffles me though
I agree Frank was bad it was obvious. But Mudiay had no business being in the team period.
I don't have an issue with the team auditioning guys like Mudiay, Vonleh, Mario, Burke, etc. They are lotto picks other teams gave up on. You don't expect much out of that type of player in most cases but occasionally you get a diamond in the rough. If the Knicks didn't have a bunch of crap on the roster we probably would resign Vonleh - but they are going this route because we have a bunch of crap on the roster. I try to give management/coaches 2.5 years. If we draft well and have a smart signing or too, the future will bright after this season. If they fumble well then I will vote to fire everyone

This what everyone does to Knicks players. They are never give a true shot at anything they are crap they suck. That’s bull. The Knicks give up on players with no rhyme or reason. We had Burk already from the previous year and they go and add Mudiay to the mix. They later add Allen and you have Smith. You see where this is going the lack of purpose is everywhere.

I don’t mind Vonleh it was a position of need. Mentally the Knicks are very weak minded they don’t see any of their pick through. It’s a developmental wasteland.

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