NardDogNation wrote:Point blank: the trade doesn't make sense and can't be justified. "Ifs" have no value in the market place and that is basically what cap space is in this context. With half the league having cap space, it couldn't be any less valuable,which will handicap our ability to retrieve assets for longer-termed deals- the way normal rebuilding teams do. So if/when we miss on the more balley-hooed free agents like we did in 2010, we get stuck with Amar'e who we end up wanting to move within a year. Same deal with Courtney Lee and Joakim Noah in 2015. Same deal with Tim Hardaway Jr in I'm 2017. On and on, the ****ery goes on. This was a bad trade; don't try to spin it.

You are wrong on that, there are 11, and about 5 (or more) of those no UFA like Durant is going to

Cap space is nothing without actually turning it into stars, which is so 2010 with this franchise as they failed to get the biggest stars that year and ended up being a mediocre team headed into this atrocious rebuilding we are right now.

Not even are we assured of one of the top 3 picks in a year where we are the worst team in the league.

Again, if you are telling me the Knicks are getting Zion, Durant and Kyrie out of this, most guys would sign up for that. But that isn't a given at all. That is a pipe dream waiting to become another sour argument for us.

We just traded the most attractive asset we had for cap flexibility and a young player that became a problem for a team also emphasizing young players. After the dust settles, this will remain a bad move that definitely kills the little good buzz the new management had achieved.

This really sucks.

NardDogNation wrote:Point blank: the trade doesn't make sense and can't be justified. "Ifs" have no value in the market place and that is basically what cap space is in this context. With half the league having cap space, it couldn't be any less valuable,which will handicap our ability to retrieve assets for longer-termed deals- the way normal rebuilding teams do. So if/when we miss on the more balley-hooed free agents like we did in 2010, we get stuck with Amar'e who we end up wanting to move within a year. Same deal with Courtney Lee and Joakim Noah in 2015. Same deal with Tim Hardaway Jr in I'm 2017. On and on, the ****ery goes on. This was a bad trade; don't try to spin it.

I disagree. If they pretty much know KD and Kyrie are coming here, then it's a wash. At least for now. There is too much smoke around the KD rumors to think there isn't something substantial to them. KP is like a chick whose family doesn't like you and you have to convince her to stay every two months. That crap gets old quick. And we're not talking a dime. We're talking a chick with the potential to be a dime. It looks we have the opportunity to hook to hook up with two fully developed 10s in the summer. Sure they're older, but there's a good chance the younger chick still won't touch them, even when she hits her prime.

martin wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:Point blank: the trade doesn't make sense and can't be justified. "Ifs" have no value in the market place and that is basically what cap space is in this context. With half the league having cap space, it couldn't be any less valuable,which will handicap our ability to retrieve assets for longer-termed deals- the way normal rebuilding teams do. So if/when we miss on the more balley-hooed free agents like we did in 2010, we get stuck with Amar'e who we end up wanting to move within a year. Same deal with Courtney Lee and Joakim Noah in 2015. Same deal with Tim Hardaway Jr in I'm 2017. On and on, the ****ery goes on. This was a bad trade; don't try to spin it.

You are wrong on that, there are 11, and about 5 (or more) of those no UFA like Durant is going to

Okay. '' about a third of the teams'' in the league, presuming other teams don't attempt to join the fray. Does that change the fact that the excess of teams with cap space, lowers the value of having it?

BigDaddyG wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:Point blank: the trade doesn't make sense and can't be justified. "Ifs" have no value in the market place and that is basically what cap space is in this context. With half the league having cap space, it couldn't be any less valuable,which will handicap our ability to retrieve assets for longer-termed deals- the way normal rebuilding teams do. So if/when we miss on the more balley-hooed free agents like we did in 2010, we get stuck with Amar'e who we end up wanting to move within a year. Same deal with Courtney Lee and Joakim Noah in 2015. Same deal with Tim Hardaway Jr in I'm 2017. On and on, the ****ery goes on. This was a bad trade; don't try to spin it.

I disagree. If they pretty much know KD and Kyrie are coming here, then it's a wash. At least for now. There is too much smoke around the KD rumors to think there isn't something substantial to them. KP is like a chick whose family doesn't like you and you have to convince her to stay every two months. That crap gets old quick. And we're not talking a dime. We're talking a chick with the potential to be a dime. It looks we have the opportunity to hook to hook up with two fully developed 10s in the summer. Sure they're older, but there's a good chance the younger chick still won't touch them, even when she hits her prime.

Cool. We get KD and Kyrie, two star players that miss 20-ish games a season and have had major injuries in their career. When they inevitably get hurt, especially as they age, what else would we have? What else could we realistically get as a supporting cast?

Sambakick wrote:

Killa4luv wrote:1. His rehab wasn't going well and they didn't think he'd be the same.
2. They KNOW Kevin Durant is coming, and want to create room for him & Kyrie and his trade request
provided an oppurtunity for them to do so.
3. There is a follow up trade that brings AD to the Knicks but that involves Enes Kanter & our pick.

#2 is correct

Also, more importantly Kyrie is a MUCH better player. KD is a MUCH better player. Both are champions. Getting Kyrie & KD is not "a wash" it is a mother****ing COUP with or without Zion.