Sean Marks was hired THREE YEARS AGO!!!!! February 18 2016!!!
He was given autonomous control of basketball as prerequisite to being hired.
Kenny Atkinson. He was hired in APRIL of 2016.
He is halfway thru his third season.
2016-2017 record 20-62
2017-2018 Record 28-54

some of you want to fire Perry half way thru his second season.
Some of you want to tear Fiz head off 46 games into his first season.

Grow a pair. History cannot be rewritten nor change the sad state we in. This is rebuilding and the starphuch era is done. This is how you attract free agents. They don’t care about the past, they care about the future.

Jmpasq wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:I think 97 percent of are all onboard with the plan. Any logical fan knew that missing KP for the whole year on top of having a young roster was gonna be a challenge

of course i knew we would suck that doesn't mean the coaching isn't ****

We must loss as much as possible and we do. Isn't it the greatest results for coaching?

Vmart wrote:You can rebuild but it would have been better rebuild with a know winners in charge of the Knicks. Perry and Mills leave a lot of doubts. Phil set the wheels in motion hopefully Perry makes good in Phil’s players and not get caught up in his players vs Phil players. Phil is still an ultimate winner and his vision needs to be seen through.

meloshouldgo wrote:

Vmart wrote:You can rebuild but it would have been better rebuild with a know winners in charge of the Knicks. Perry and Mills leave a lot of doubts. Phil set the wheels in motion hopefully Perry makes good in Phil’s players and not get caught up in his players vs Phil players. Phil is still an ultimate winner and his vision needs to be seen through.

Perry and Mills haven't done anything of note other than drafting Mitch Robinson. They signed Hezonja who sucks - by his own admission. And they signed THJR to a ridiculous contract. I am not sold on Knox/Trier yet, not down on them either - just in wait and watch mode.

Fiz doesn't seem to know anything about coaching system basketball, or any basketball at all - he is now in the process of losing the team. He failed miserably in holding the chuckers accountable for not playing defense, and has lost credibility.

What exactly do you expect them to have accomplished in a season and a half with no cap space and little to no talent on the roster? Tim Jr was Mills signing not Perry's (he wasn't even hired at the time). Mitch, Trier and Knox look promising. They made a clever signing and development of Vonleh with next to no money. They landed Mud and have developed him from bust into a serviceable player. they've developed Kornet who's looked nice. they've developed Dotson who's also looked good at times this season. I don't really get what more you want.

smackeddog wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Vmart wrote:You can rebuild but it would have been better rebuild with a know winners in charge of the Knicks. Perry and Mills leave a lot of doubts. Phil set the wheels in motion hopefully Perry makes good in Phil’s players and not get caught up in his players vs Phil players. Phil is still an ultimate winner and his vision needs to be seen through.

Perry and Mills haven't done anything of note other than drafting Mitch Robinson. They signed Hezonja who sucks - by his own admission. And they signed THJR to a ridiculous contract. I am not sold on Knox/Trier yet, not down on them either - just in wait and watch mode.

Fiz doesn't seem to know anything about coaching system basketball, or any basketball at all - he is now in the process of losing the team. He failed miserably in holding the chuckers accountable for not playing defense, and has lost credibility.

What exactly do you expect them to have accomplished in a season and a half with no cap space and little to no talent on the roster? Tim Jr was Mills signing not Perry's (he wasn't even hired at the time). Mitch, Trier and Knox look promising. They made a clever signing and development of Vonleh with next to no money. They landed Mud and have developed him from bust into a serviceable player. they've developed Kornet who's looked nice. they've developed Dotson who's also looked good at times this season. I don't really get what more you want.

+100
Trier was an excellent pick up when you consider he wasnt drafted yet he looks better than a lot of 1st rounders....Same for Mitch...Also, Melo was turned into an expiring contract asset this year while other teams can't give Melo away...Perry been on the job about 8 months, not sure what they want him to accomplish in such a short period.

Vmart wrote:You can rebuild but it would have been better rebuild with a know winners in charge of the Knicks. Perry and Mills leave a lot of doubts. Phil set the wheels in motion hopefully Perry makes good in Phil’s players and not get caught up in his players vs Phil players. Phil is still an ultimate winner and his vision needs to be seen through.

True...Perry should have resigned D Rose and kept Noah...maybe resign Melo to another bloated contract and give him a no trade clause...then Perry and Mills should send mix messages to the fan base where we half ass rebuild and half ass fight for the 8th seed in the playoffs...Also, Mills should interrupt practice after the allstar break and confuse the message more by telling Fiz to run the outdated triangle...oh yeah, someone tell Perry to get on Twitter and antagonize half the league coaches and maybe insult KD..

Uptown wrote:

Vmart wrote:You can rebuild but it would have been better rebuild with a know winners in charge of the Knicks. Perry and Mills leave a lot of doubts. Phil set the wheels in motion hopefully Perry makes good in Phil’s players and not get caught up in his players vs Phil players. Phil is still an ultimate winner and his vision needs to be seen through.

True...Perry should have resigned D Rose and kept Noah...maybe resign Melo to another bloated contract and give him a no trade clause...then Perry and Mills should send mix messages to the fan base where we half ass rebuild and half ass fight for the 8th seed in the playoffs...Also, Mills should interrupt practice after the allstar break and confuse the message more by telling Fiz to run the outdated triangle...oh yeah, someone tell Perry to get on Twitter and antagonize half the league coaches and maybe insult KD..

so with u on this. phil the president ended up having very little resemblance to phil the coach.

Vmart wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Vmart wrote:You can rebuild but it would have been better rebuild with a know winners in charge of the Knicks. Perry and Mills leave a lot of doubts. Phil set the wheels in motion hopefully Perry makes good in Phil’s players and not get caught up in his players vs Phil players. Phil is still an ultimate winner and his vision needs to be seen through.

Perry has had to clean up Phil’s mess with Noah, Melo and Lee’s contracts. I think the front office likes Dotson and will be patient with Frank. Frank’s lack of offense makes it hard to have him on the court all the time. Hopefully that improves as he continues to develop. Drafting a guy as young as Knox is a sign that they are willing to be patient and let guys develop. I do think if they know they can sign Durant any of the kids could be moved to get a team to take Lee or Hardaway.

Phil had to clean up the previous mess. He had 2 first round picks in 4 years. It’s not like the Knicks were under the cap either. So let’s see he picked up a franchise player in KP, Nitlikina, Dotson and Kornet.

Phil got Melo to the point where he waived his no trade which by the way he never would have done. He was being straight forward with Melo and telling him his game sucked. OKC and Rockets telling him the same basically indirectly. Remember they don’t have a no trade claus to deal with. I agree he should never have given him a NTC or even a contract but it’s a business and Melo still has a large contingency of fans who swear by his game. And still a business to sell jerseys and all.

What have Perry and Mills done but sign a bunch projects and hoping they stick. Hezonja horrific, Mudiay serviceable but I don’t see him as an answer and do you want to pay for his services going forward? Now you have Vonleah I like that signing but he is in for a payday and he is UFA. Mills signs THJ while I don’t mind this signing. Timmy can be a good player and is a good player but he is better served as a third option but thinks he is first option.

Just hat are the young Knicks learning? No system no passing no execution of plays if you like one on one basketball these Knicks are just what the doctor ordered for you. If you want passing and team play man that isn’t going to happen here. Not with the abysmal hiring of Fizz. Who hasn’t a clue of team management and development.

You want that number one overall pick I want that too and losing is the best way right now. But teach the kids damn basketball. Teach them a system to go forward with. So at least they know what to come next year instead of starting all over again. Mills, Perry and Fizz is a losing team.

Perry is terrible and he manages to choose the wrong guys over the promising ones. Like Oladipo wasn’t chosen over Payten or Hezonja. Some will say he wasn’t the GM but he was part of decision making process. Fizz has been a coattailing it all through his career. He is just plain awful. He is good for the tank his best attribute. If the Knicks brass wants to tank again next year they would be wise to bring him back.

There is a difference between perry and Mills. The difference is Mills has always been about execution of offense since his Princeton days and he knows that execution has a way of winning and making up for talent. Mills is a system guy and perry and Fizz not so much.

There will be change over soon.

I think you are a great example of average Knics fan - dazed and confused.
You want to win and lose at the same time.
You want to clean and balance the roster but have a wonderful team basketball in the process.
You want coach who is player coach and system coach.
Not happening.
Building up the NBA team from the messy piece of sht we had after 20 years of mismanagement takes many years and if everybody dazed and confused decades.
What FO is doing is crustal clear - cleaning up the mess and get some assets.
The rebuild is just started and has long way to go.

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Clearly the people @ FiveThirtyEight are trolls because everybody knows the Knicks are losing because of Fiz, Perry and Mills

It's so wrong and right at the same time. He sure was the ultimate winner: He won his own lottery. He did jack**** and orchestrated the worst stretch in Knicks history. The worst contract in Knicks history in Noah. THE WORST, HANDS DOWN, NO CONTEST.

He drafts the unicorn and then wants to trade him.
He talked playoffs and then played G-leaguers.
He gives Melo MAX + NTC and then publicly ****s on his head.

Except for the deranged sex in the city drama, he may be only behind IT for worst Knicks exec ever. Actually, if you include the Derek Fisher and DRose crap, he might be tied for first.

It's going to take alot more than what Perry has shown so far to reach that sub-level of mismanagement.