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i agree. what he couldn’t add of course but hopefully is thinking: “if we have any hope of dumping timmy without losing assets or incurring costs we better find some way of building up his worth.”

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Uptown wrote:No lies were told

True but I don't see how the players put the team first when the head coach is throwing players under the bus left and right

Also, like they say on The Wire,a man's gotta have a code. What's Fizdale stand for - I don't really give a damn what he says, what do his actions show me? Is what he doing right now going to take us to the ECF next year? I don't know but it's debatable.

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Uptown wrote:No lies were told
i agree. what he couldn’t add of course but hopefully is thinking: “if we have any hope of dumping timmy without losing assets or incurring costs we better find some way of building up his worth.”

Which is why Timmy continues to get mins...benching him can hurt whatever stock he has...

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Uptown wrote:No lies were told
True but I don't see how the players put the team first when the head coach is throwing players under the bus left and right
Also, like they say on The Wire,a man's gotta have a code. What's Fizdale stand for - I don't really give a damn what he says, what do his actions show me? Is what he doing right now going to take us to the ECF next year? I don't know but it's debatable.

is that really the timetable you’re working off? for me it’s being a .500 team next year (which we haven’t been in a long time), a solid playoff team the next, and an ECF team the following.

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Ha ha, can't even bring himself to pretend otherwise with Tim Jr

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Uptown wrote:No lies were told
True but I don't see how the players put the team first when the head coach is throwing players under the bus left and right
Also, like they say on The Wire,a man's gotta have a code. What's Fizdale stand for - I don't really give a damn what he says, what do his actions show me? Is what he doing right now going to take us to the ECF next year? I don't know but it's debatable.

1st off, Kanter has been throwing his teammates and coaching staff under the bus most of the season with his tweets and comments...

The Knicks haven't made the playoffs in 5 years; we have completely bottomed out this year and you expect an eastern conference finals next year? That's Ariza level delusional

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Uptown wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
Uptown wrote:No lies were told
True but I don't see how the players put the team first when the head coach is throwing players under the bus left and right
Also, like they say on The Wire,a man's gotta have a code. What's Fizdale stand for - I don't really give a damn what he says, what do his actions show me? Is what he doing right now going to take us to the ECF next year? I don't know but it's debatable.
1st off, Kanter has been throwing his teammates and coaching staff under the bus most of the season with his tweets and comments...
The Knicks haven't made the playoffs in 5 years; we have completely bottomed out this year and you expect an eastern conference finals next year? That's Ariza level delusional

Agreed. Kanter used to be a favorite of mine but this season the comments/whining/complaining has become annoying. Hell it started even when he was playing a lot

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Uptown wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
Uptown wrote:No lies were told
True but I don't see how the players put the team first when the head coach is throwing players under the bus left and right
Also, like they say on The Wire,a man's gotta have a code. What's Fizdale stand for - I don't really give a damn what he says, what do his actions show me? Is what he doing right now going to take us to the ECF next year? I don't know but it's debatable.
1st off, Kanter has been throwing his teammates and coaching staff under the bus most of the season with his tweets and comments...
The Knicks haven't made the playoffs in 5 years; we have completely bottomed out this year and you expect an eastern conference finals next year? That's Ariza level delusional
Agreed. Kanter used to be a favorite of mine but this season the comments/whining/complaining has become annoying. Hell it started even when he was playing a lot

It started when it came out that Kanter's goal was to make the allstar team...He set a personal goal for himself, not a team goal...So his disappointment with his lack of playing time doesn't have much to do with him trying to help the team win, but more to do with him getting his numbers...

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Timmy will be traded and we’ll whine about how good he is playing and we gave him up for beans.
He’ll be on a better team.
Fiz inherited Timmy. Losing situation but if he is confident yoot getting reps is the key to the future I’m good with that. Can’t see it, taste it or touch the future.
Enes is about Enes. Always was. I doubt we ever had intention of resigning him. He opted in. Don’t forget, HE OPTED TO BE HERE. HE got paid. We owe him nothing.

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Uptown wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
Uptown wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
Uptown wrote:No lies were told
True but I don't see how the players put the team first when the head coach is throwing players under the bus left and right
Also, like they say on The Wire,a man's gotta have a code. What's Fizdale stand for - I don't really give a damn what he says, what do his actions show me? Is what he doing right now going to take us to the ECF next year? I don't know but it's debatable.
1st off, Kanter has been throwing his teammates and coaching staff under the bus most of the season with his tweets and comments...
The Knicks haven't made the playoffs in 5 years; we have completely bottomed out this year and you expect an eastern conference finals next year? That's Ariza level delusional
Agreed. Kanter used to be a favorite of mine but this season the comments/whining/complaining has become annoying. Hell it started even when he was playing a lot
It started when it came out that Kanter's goal was to make the allstar team...He set a personal goal for himself, not a team goal...So his disappointment with his lack of playing time doesn't have much to do with him trying to help the team win, but more to do with him getting his numbers...

True. We have had many guys sit for a few games. Mudiay,Burke,Frank,Dotson all went through it and they NEVER complained, they put the team first. I guess i bought into Kanter when he seemed like a team leader but obviously that was nonsense

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Uptown wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
Uptown wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
Uptown wrote:No lies were told
True but I don't see how the players put the team first when the head coach is throwing players under the bus left and right
Also, like they say on The Wire,a man's gotta have a code. What's Fizdale stand for - I don't really give a damn what he says, what do his actions show me? Is what he doing right now going to take us to the ECF next year? I don't know but it's debatable.
1st off, Kanter has been throwing his teammates and coaching staff under the bus most of the season with his tweets and comments...
The Knicks haven't made the playoffs in 5 years; we have completely bottomed out this year and you expect an eastern conference finals next year? That's Ariza level delusional
Agreed. Kanter used to be a favorite of mine but this season the comments/whining/complaining has become annoying. Hell it started even when he was playing a lot
It started when it came out that Kanter's goal was to make the allstar team...He set a personal goal for himself, not a team goal...So his disappointment with his lack of playing time doesn't have much to do with him trying to help the team win, but more to do with him getting his numbers...
True. We have had many guys sit for a few games. Mudiay,Burke,Frank,Dotson all went through it and they NEVER complained, they put the team first. I guess i bought into Kanter when he seemed like a team leader but obviously that was nonsense

Mudiay was Never benched, he was injured and Why would those other guys complain, Im mean serious dude..

Kanter is a 7 yr vet, and since when is striving to take your game to an All star level considered selfish..the whole damn team should be thinking like that.

Thats why the FO is so fckd up and going in circle's, they convince their young players to embrace losing, don't worry about losing, just go out there and play...like your in your driveway

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StarksEwing1 wrote:
Uptown wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
Uptown wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
Uptown wrote:No lies were told
True but I don't see how the players put the team first when the head coach is throwing players under the bus left and right
Also, like they say on The Wire,a man's gotta have a code. What's Fizdale stand for - I don't really give a damn what he says, what do his actions show me? Is what he doing right now going to take us to the ECF next year? I don't know but it's debatable.
1st off, Kanter has been throwing his teammates and coaching staff under the bus most of the season with his tweets and comments...
The Knicks haven't made the playoffs in 5 years; we have completely bottomed out this year and you expect an eastern conference finals next year? That's Ariza level delusional
Agreed. Kanter used to be a favorite of mine but this season the comments/whining/complaining has become annoying. Hell it started even when he was playing a lot
It started when it came out that Kanter's goal was to make the allstar team...He set a personal goal for himself, not a team goal...So his disappointment with his lack of playing time doesn't have much to do with him trying to help the team win, but more to do with him getting his numbers...
True. We have had many guys sit for a few games. Mudiay,Burke,Frank,Dotson all went through it and they NEVER complained, they put the team first. I guess i bought into Kanter when he seemed like a team leader but obviously that was nonsense
Mudiay was Never benched, he was injured and Why would those other guys complain, Im mean serious dude..
Kanter is a 7 yr vet, and since when is striving to take your game to an All star level considered selfish..the whole damn team should be thinking like that.
Thats why the FO is so fckd up and going in circle's, they convince their young players to embrace losing, don't worry about losing, just go out there and play...like your in your driveway

Rainman, kanter was never gonna be a all star plus he should be thinking about the TEAM not personal goals. Like i said those young guys didnt bitch and moan and unlike kanter those kids actually give effort on defense. Nobody is embracing losing

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knicks1248 wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
Uptown wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
Uptown wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
Uptown wrote:No lies were told
True but I don't see how the players put the team first when the head coach is throwing players under the bus left and right
Also, like they say on The Wire,a man's gotta have a code. What's Fizdale stand for - I don't really give a damn what he says, what do his actions show me? Is what he doing right now going to take us to the ECF next year? I don't know but it's debatable.
1st off, Kanter has been throwing his teammates and coaching staff under the bus most of the season with his tweets and comments...
The Knicks haven't made the playoffs in 5 years; we have completely bottomed out this year and you expect an eastern conference finals next year? That's Ariza level delusional
Agreed. Kanter used to be a favorite of mine but this season the comments/whining/complaining has become annoying. Hell it started even when he was playing a lot
It started when it came out that Kanter's goal was to make the allstar team...He set a personal goal for himself, not a team goal...So his disappointment with his lack of playing time doesn't have much to do with him trying to help the team win, but more to do with him getting his numbers...
True. We have had many guys sit for a few games. Mudiay,Burke,Frank,Dotson all went through it and they NEVER complained, they put the team first. I guess i bought into Kanter when he seemed like a team leader but obviously that was nonsense
Mudiay was Never benched, he was injured and Why would those other guys complain, Im mean serious dude..

Correct, should have been benched long ago, he sucks

Kanter is a 7 yr vet, and since when is striving to take your game to an All star level considered selfish..

Since the Allstar game started

the whole damn team should be thinking like that.

God, I hope not!...

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knicks1248 wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
Uptown wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
Uptown wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
Uptown wrote:No lies were told
True but I don't see how the players put the team first when the head coach is throwing players under the bus left and right
Also, like they say on The Wire,a man's gotta have a code. What's Fizdale stand for - I don't really give a damn what he says, what do his actions show me? Is what he doing right now going to take us to the ECF next year? I don't know but it's debatable.
1st off, Kanter has been throwing his teammates and coaching staff under the bus most of the season with his tweets and comments...
The Knicks haven't made the playoffs in 5 years; we have completely bottomed out this year and you expect an eastern conference finals next year? That's Ariza level delusional
Agreed. Kanter used to be a favorite of mine but this season the comments/whining/complaining has become annoying. Hell it started even when he was playing a lot
It started when it came out that Kanter's goal was to make the allstar team...He set a personal goal for himself, not a team goal...So his disappointment with his lack of playing time doesn't have much to do with him trying to help the team win, but more to do with him getting his numbers...
True. We have had many guys sit for a few games. Mudiay,Burke,Frank,Dotson all went through it and they NEVER complained, they put the team first. I guess i bought into Kanter when he seemed like a team leader but obviously that was nonsense
Mudiay was Never benched, he was injured and Why would those other guys complain, Im mean serious dude..
Kanter is a 7 yr vet, and since when is striving to take your game to an All star level considered selfish..the whole damn team should be thinking like that.
Thats why the FO is so fckd up and going in circle's, they convince their young players to embrace losing, don't worry about losing, just go out there and play...like your in your driveway

You mind is going circles, but world is moving straight.

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StarksEwing1 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
Uptown wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
Uptown wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
Uptown wrote:No lies were told
True but I don't see how the players put the team first when the head coach is throwing players under the bus left and right
Also, like they say on The Wire,a man's gotta have a code. What's Fizdale stand for - I don't really give a damn what he says, what do his actions show me? Is what he doing right now going to take us to the ECF next year? I don't know but it's debatable.
1st off, Kanter has been throwing his teammates and coaching staff under the bus most of the season with his tweets and comments...
The Knicks haven't made the playoffs in 5 years; we have completely bottomed out this year and you expect an eastern conference finals next year? That's Ariza level delusional
Agreed. Kanter used to be a favorite of mine but this season the comments/whining/complaining has become annoying. Hell it started even when he was playing a lot
It started when it came out that Kanter's goal was to make the allstar team...He set a personal goal for himself, not a team goal...So his disappointment with his lack of playing time doesn't have much to do with him trying to help the team win, but more to do with him getting his numbers...
True. We have had many guys sit for a few games. Mudiay,Burke,Frank,Dotson all went through it and they NEVER complained, they put the team first. I guess i bought into Kanter when he seemed like a team leader but obviously that was nonsense
Mudiay was Never benched, he was injured and Why would those other guys complain, Im mean serious dude..
Kanter is a 7 yr vet, and since when is striving to take your game to an All star level considered selfish..the whole damn team should be thinking like that.
Thats why the FO is so fckd up and going in circle's, they convince their young players to embrace losing, don't worry about losing, just go out there and play...like your in your driveway
Rainman, kanter was never gonna be a all star plus he should be thinking about the TEAM not personal goals. Like i said those young guys didnt bitch and moan and unlike kanter those kids actually give effort on defense. Nobody is embracing losing

Kanter would make an awesome All Star, no defense in an All Star game. I think we should cut him if we can't trade him by the trade deadline.

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knicks1248 wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
Uptown wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
Uptown wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
Uptown wrote:No lies were told
True but I don't see how the players put the team first when the head coach is throwing players under the bus left and right
Also, like they say on The Wire,a man's gotta have a code. What's Fizdale stand for - I don't really give a damn what he says, what do his actions show me? Is what he doing right now going to take us to the ECF next year? I don't know but it's debatable.
1st off, Kanter has been throwing his teammates and coaching staff under the bus most of the season with his tweets and comments...
The Knicks haven't made the playoffs in 5 years; we have completely bottomed out this year and you expect an eastern conference finals next year? That's Ariza level delusional
Agreed. Kanter used to be a favorite of mine but this season the comments/whining/complaining has become annoying. Hell it started even when he was playing a lot
It started when it came out that Kanter's goal was to make the allstar team...He set a personal goal for himself, not a team goal...So his disappointment with his lack of playing time doesn't have much to do with him trying to help the team win, but more to do with him getting his numbers...
True. We have had many guys sit for a few games. Mudiay,Burke,Frank,Dotson all went through it and they NEVER complained, they put the team first. I guess i bought into Kanter when he seemed like a team leader but obviously that was nonsense
Mudiay was Never benched, he was injured and Why would those other guys complain, Im mean serious dude..
Kanter is a 7 yr vet, and since when is striving to take your game to an All star level considered selfish..the whole damn team should be thinking like that.
Thats why the FO is so fckd up and going in circle's, they convince their young players to embrace losing, don't worry about losing, just go out there and play...like your in your driveway

Rainman, Kanter verbally said he wanted to be an allstar. Does his defensive improvement demonstrate a commitment to the craft of playing both ends of the court?
Contract year verbal boast. Posting Doubles on a winning team is not the same as basement dwelling. YOur picking sides with Kanter because you want fodder for your anti FO agenda.
And once again, Kanter opted to return for $18mm. Knicks did not offer to extend he or have him opt out and do a long term deal. He said he wanted to be here. Did knicks tell him he was wanted beyond the contract? He was trade fodder for Melo. He as moved from Utah and OKC for Melo who was a disaster for OKC and Rockets. Deal with the the reality. Knicks are not ruining his value. Every team has tape on his defense. His play values and devalues.

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