CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:Media does not discuss any reasons for the “tension”. They leave us to speculate. He wants to play. I get it.
He wants to win. I get it. He wants to play for a contender. I get it. He’ll want to play with other good players. Knicks are not known to be cheap. New coaching staff new public relations concepts, etc. This team has been remade for going forward.

He would be giving up generational money just to have the chance to leave after next season. Health is the biggest concern. NY media sucks.

The knicks have a limited amount of control over KP,meaning all him and his camp have to do is ask for a trade, and the knicks are forced. I know its rare to see a it happen, but when was the last time a players brother was his manager, and have a huge influence on him

Can you live with HOLDING YOUR BREATH every time KP hits the floor, and besides, I don't think KP is a franchise player, he certainly hasn't shown to have the stamina to sustain that level of play. He's needs another star or 2 without a shadow of a doubt, or he'll be overworked and risk more injury, and im sure janis knows this.

CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:Media does not discuss any reasons for the “tension”. They leave us to speculate. He wants to play. I get it.
He wants to win. I get it. He wants to play for a contender. I get it. He’ll want to play with other good players. Knicks are not known to be cheap. New coaching staff new public relations concepts, etc. This team has been remade for going forward.

He would be giving up generational money just to have the chance to leave after next season. Health is the biggest concern. NY media sucks.

Guy is going to live like a king regardless

I believe he wants to stay and win in ny

If he doesn’t feel he can win here he will leave

not sure if he can even signed anything less like 1-2 year deal with player option?

i mean after watching Patrick McGraw's RFA BS from GS to Cleveland to waivers........ what can't u do?

If he wants to play, Let him play IF HE IS READY BUT restrict minutes

the team sucks, so that's not interesting to cover

oh look over here, porzingis rehab + uncertainty = theories = story = clicks = more stories = more theorizing etc

RonRon wrote:point is he is good enough to still sign a 1 and 1 deal or a 2 and 1 deal instead of QO

If KP is NOT happy, he can screw us with another team that is willing to do so
I do NOT know if it is all NY's media or if KP's camp/brother but it is very toxic

if we somehow get a 7-10th pick, do not sign any B+ or better players, it is very likely KP would prefer his ass out if MAX is not offered

First off good to see you back on pages RonRon!
Second its assumed he gets Max from most of us. Knicks have been known to send a guy out and get his best deal and set his market. We can match it. Its fair actually.
KP is not out to "screw us" but he will seek whats best for him. By not extending him I think we were able to go longer. Also have 10mm more in cap space. If winning matters than he should be cognizant to his waiting helps the team be better. This team in the last 18 mos has really been rebuild from the inside out.
Remember when Knicks public relations were slammed for it idiocy? "Kremlin like" was sometimes named. IN November of 2017 they bought in Dan Sabreen to head it up. Scott Perry and Mills would have headed that change.
Look at the front office:
https://www.nba.com/knicks/front-office
Funny, Gaines is still listed as a "consultant".
In any event Knicks are far from the Larry Brown incident. Spree is back in the house and if Dolan and Oak can just behave we might be normal again!!!!

RonRon wrote:point is he is good enough to still sign a 1 and 1 deal or a 2 and 1 deal instead of QO

If KP is NOT happy, he can screw us with another team that is willing to do so
I do NOT know if it is all NY's media or if KP's camp/brother but it is very toxic

if we somehow get a 7-10th pick, do not sign any B+ or better players, it is very likely KP would prefer his ass out if MAX is not offered

Nalod wrote:https://nypost.com/2019/01/15/kristaps-porzingis-not-making-london-trip-an-encouraging-sign/

Maybe not so tense?

A rumor floated last week that the Knicks prefer for him to sit out the season while Porzingis wants to play, creating tension.

According to a source close to the situation, it is an off-base premise. The source said Knicks management wants him back — as long as Porzingis is mentally and physically ready to go.

Nalod asks this question: Could it be a bad thing for the knicks as a sign of good will not put any pressure on the kid and paving the way for him to sit the season as a prerequisite to media who might after a year say "why isn't he playing yet?" Then it becomes about him being soft, protecting his money, etc. This way knicks take the pressure off him and if anything take the hit as being "bad cop". Naturally KP can't text out things that might be seen not as intended to be. His "Hissy fit" might not have been genuinely that. it came off like that.

Thanks Nalod and Crush,

It is comforting to being able to read off posters that I still know
Really glad that Nalod gives much more basketball related input
Yeah times have changed, read about Briggs and how times have changed...

i still lurk sometimes and look to catch up to Rumors and topics for Knicks
But i do not have time or patience to watch the any basketball for over 5years already
so no longer have the knowledge to post pages and paragraphs.....

my point about KP is that if in fact these rumors are somewhat true, there could be ways that it can get sour with the Knicks and management
i honestly think CA really messed up KP's way of thinking along with the HERO ball/style of play, the need to be "the man"

if these rumors are just a way to make KP scare Knicks to get the HIGHEST possible contract for KP, that is fine....
however, if these rumors are somewhat true then if a team and KP work together KP can still make a lot of money and leave the Knicks on a 1 and 1 deal or 2 and 1 *player option*
so either 1 year or 2 years

it is partially a question by me too, if any of these such contracts can not go through or unlikely for whatever reason...........

If KP wants to play just limit the minutes and back to backs, no need to piss him off, i feel he already has had a lot of frustrations with the Knicks organization the past few years already
Under the "new regime" of Fiz we just dont need any of it
remember Indiana let Paul George play little by little, it takes time to get back in NBA shape and KP must know where he stands after his year off of the NBA
so he get get an idea of what he needs physically, mentally, and what he may need to work on in the summer

Of course KP is very talented but is he a Center or PF? We still do not know

regarding the DS JR rumors.....
i like Frank but if we can get rid of Hardaways contract, it sounds really good but i would not look to give up any draft picks
i think Frank will be similar to Ariza, once he ages a bit and clicks with the right coach, player, system, it will just spark for him and he will be a solid player
not sure if it will ever happen in NYK currently though....

when i think back about Phils last days on the Knicks........

i think Phil jackson was looking at KINGS starting PG, in DeAaron Fox for some reason when he floated the rumors out for KP and maybe draft Don Mitchell since we were split on Frank and him
He probably wanted either Jae Crowder or Jaylen Brown as well, and Terry Rozier or Smart with Rozier being more likely

HofstraBBall wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:Media does not discuss any reasons for the “tension”. They leave us to speculate. He wants to play. I get it.
He wants to win. I get it. He wants to play for a contender. I get it. He’ll want to play with other good players. Knicks are not known to be cheap. New coaching staff new public relations concepts, etc. This team has been remade for going forward.

He would be giving up generational money just to have the chance to leave after next season. Health is the biggest concern. NY media sucks.

KP should understand the Knicks want to wait till next year to sign him to extension. Gives Knicks flexibility to bring in more pieces to surround him with. Think he does. He should also understand that rushing back does NO one any good. If he comes back after the All Start break, I hope it is with minimal minutes. So as not to disrupt the tank and risk injury. Hope he does.

It stands on logic all you say. This is why I don't get that there is a contentious relationship unless KP is a brain dead diva.